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  • #36449
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    @bluesqueakpip Ohhh! spot on about the sulking. Loved that thought that he goes to the actual volcano place!

    @cathannabel I have to admit I probably also was also one saying on another thread that ‘it was all a dream’ was a terrible cop out. I’m glad to have been proved wrong by Moffat.

    @cubefox yeah that clara oswalt, can’t bloody stand her oh she’s so shallow and looks awful, her eyes are too far apart, inflate (how DO they do that!?) and her face is FAR too wide. Clara Oswald on the other hand is fan-bloody-tastic (in my opinion). It’s a pity that a little TV show ruined your Christmas, what’s great is that you didn’t over-react.

    Hmm, it would appear Santa brought me some extra sarcasm this Christmas! Splendid. *rubs hands together, awaits next troll*

    Ok, obviously took advantage of a ‘rage-typo’ there, really couldn’t help myself 😉

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    #36436
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    Merry Christmas to all. Hope Santa was good to you all – I got my (very much demanded) series 8 blu ray and also a Tardis T-shirt which I am very chuffed with!

    Just got round to seeing the Christmas special this afternoon and really enjoyed it. Think I saw the ‘dream within a dream’ reasonably early on but was still very good. And I really thought that old Clara was going to be the end and her exit and was SO pleased it wasn’t! Loved the reference to Alien as well.

    I had hoped it wouldn’t be the end for Clara as I think she and the Capaldi Doctor really work well together. As others have said, looking forward to next series with them having (mostly) resolved their issues with one another. Also that the Danny thread is very much dealt with – and done very well I thought.

    Actually watched back the last 3 episodes earlier this week, and seeing Forest Of The Night and Dark Water back to back it made it much more obvious Clara’s phone call is ‘coming clean’ to Danny rather than it being something timey wimey or  3 months pregnant.  Ah..thats what a weeks worth of filling your head with bonkers theory’s will do!

    But yes, WHAT planet was that the Doctor woke up on! My immediate thought was the volcano from Dark Water – as others seem to think too. Perhaps the explanation is just using a set-up when you have one: ‘Ok, lie down over there again Peter, we’ll get a shot in for the Christmas special while we’re here’.  Of course bonkers theorising is much more fun XD

    Anyway, better go, got a bit of a pain on my temple and there’s a strange man with attack looking eyebrows at the door shouting something…

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    #35705
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    @lisa don’t worry, I’ve only given you PART of an army, I’ve got the rest and I assure you my notions are not entirely sane 😉  wah hah hah hah etc.

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    #35701
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    @lisa and @arbutus  yes. Army storage is available in the Nethersphere. Just sent a wee note to SEB and he’ll sort you out.

    OOPS! I may have revealed too much 😮

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    #35692
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    @arbutus  absolutely second, third and fourth what others have said. Spot on.

    @lisa The quote “I couldn’t agree with you less”, nope not politician or a comedian. Was Avon from Blake’s 7 in the episode The Web. 🙂  That line always comes to mind when I read nonsense that trolls like to spout.

    But since you were the only one to bite you win the prize anyway! … your own private army of Cybermen to conquer the Earth and beyond. Happy Birthday ms President, Enjoy!  XD

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    #35477
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    Right, now that I’ve calmed down from laughing after reading those frankly ridiculous points:

    @fonsini – I couldn’t agree with you less.

    A prize to whoever knows where that quote comes from 😉  (no cheating and looking up the internet now!).

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    #35410
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    @besd1 and @blenkinsopthebrave

    In regards to #1:  It completely depends how you define the ‘delete emotion’ parameters in your IF statement. Is it a ‘pressed the button’ checkbox? in which case, you’d still have to examine the underlying code to determine exactly what emotions are actually deleted … and how you define that in the first place?

    How do you logically define an emotion?  Try that for just a moment, try and actually write it down … it’s inherently difficult (if not impossible) because emotion is not based on logic (even talk of ‘inhibitors’ of emotion are dodgy because, again, how do you define it).  And that I think is entirely the point as to why there is a loophole … as well as the underlying fault with the whole Cyberman ethos …which is why they never win.

    And is exactly I think what the Doctor is saying when he is comparing himself to the Master and talking about feeling or not feeling the pain.

    As to other points: 5, 7 and 8 agree.

    10. For me no. I do hope Osgood stays dead. Don’t get me wrong, her death really got to me and I was really sad to see it. But it was a powerful moment and I think that sort of occasional shock is needed to stop us getting complacent (because the real world is an awful place and bad things happen to good people who don’t deserve it). I think it would be a cheap fan pandering gimmick to bring her back (ok, yes, that hasn’t stopped it happening before I know!).

    As, I think, I’ve said before (and so have others here) to me this feels like part 2 to of a 3 parter. The real finale is Christmas.

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    #35273
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    @mudlark  good point about the nanobots. That does let me stretch believability (almost) that it could be picked up by some sort of airborne system or satellite.

    I suppose in the time the Doctor was unconscious UNIT could have gone round and done some ground penetrating measurements of graveyards – since he had warned them that’s where the threat would be.  Just ebcause we didn’t see them do that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen … But like you say, the detail was a bit too good even for that.

    Unless of course they were meta enhanced futuristic sensors with fantastic image processing algorithms to clean up the images XD

    Right. I REALLY need to get over this and move on with thinking about other slightly more important aspects from the episode XD

    Re Orson. I keep remembering back to a line from the Doctor in (I think) Caretaker episode where he says Danny looks nothing like Orson. That always struck me as a bit strange – it could be explained away with it being a throwaway joke about the Doctor being oblivious. But …what if Orson was a huge red herring by Mofffat to make us think the Danny/Clara relationship would have some sort of happy ending. But that that future is now re-written. What we saw is what Clara saw, that originally Orson was her and Dannys descendant. But that timeline has been replaced and although Orson is still descended from Clara, he has no link to Danny – in fact looks nothing like him.

    The Doctor ‘sees’ this new timeline due to him being a time lord (hence his comment) but Clara doesn’t, she remembers what she saw in the now redundant timeline.

    A bit of a stretch and full of holes. The main one being that when the Doctor makes that comment a few episodes back, it is well before we know Danny’s fate…but then I’m assuming linear time rather than wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey!

    And I’m probably overthinking what is just a throwaway comedy comment by the Doctor XD

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    #35265
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    @whovianami

    The organic material may regain heat. But not enough to show up on a thermal camera – the ground above would absorb all the heat. Thermal imaging will only show what is on (or slightly under) the surface. Plus, the cyberman shell is metal, so would be cold when under the ground, regardless of what heat anything organic had in it.  However, the cybermen probably have some sort of heat output power source. But again, not hot enough to show up on the surface. Hmm, maybe the scans they did were of Cybermen who had accidentally powered up their rocket boots XD

    And while I’m on a rant. Thermal cameras cannot see through glass – regardless of how many movies and TV shows seem to think that they can (ok so that wasn’t in this episode, I’m just saying!).

    Sensors are kind of my area. Therefore it’s always the one thing I can’t just let go (I had a similar problem with the stovak bl..oh whats the thing called, robot thing in the Caretaker episode when it used its ‘sensor’).

    Space egg moons. No problem! Giant spider parasite things. No problem (well apart from freaking me out by being SPIDERY). Space train on hyper-rails. No problem!  But misuse of sensors. ARGH! 🙂

    So I just have to accept it is some sort of futuristic alien technology thing that UNIT happen to have to somehow allow then to see underground from the air … somehow.

    Nope. Not getting it! 😉

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    #35061
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    Watching through a second time 🙂

    GAH! you CANT do heat scans UNDER the Earth. *ahem* sorry just had to get that out of my system.

    That’s just the way my brain works. No problem with dead people in graves becoming Cybermen, But someone throws out a nonsense sensor thing and I lose my mind XD.

    *unpauses* and cracks open another beer

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    #35032
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    @miapatrick  yes. That was Clara’s eyes in the opening credits.

    Nice misdirection Mr Moffat!

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    #35031
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    My FEELS!   😮

    So many things!

    As @IAmNotAFishIAmAFreeMan said:  brain’splody

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    #35023
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    Welcome @nerys and @fuzeelogic  🙂

    How can it be the finale already!?, this series has really flown by

    Wine: Check

    Tissues: Check

    Come on come on tic toc! 10mins! 😮  I’m climbing the walls here!

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    #34972
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    @perry

    Fair enough, in that case, my opinions is as i said in #34962  the boy done good.

    And again for the record, my prediction is Jamie Mathieson will be the next show runner.

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    #34970
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    @Burrunjor

    Can’t help you with the links thing, hopefully one of the mods can help with that.

    Ok, so first that the Doctor/Companion needs to be male/female?      It absolutely does not. Utter bolloxs.

    Sorry but IMO most of your arguments are nonsense and in fact incredibly sexist and patronising.

    “the role of the female companion is to keep the doctor on his toes and protect him” !! well you just invalidated your  ‘not a sidekick’ argument there. Plus..very sexist! I think you will find it is the role of ANY companion to keep the Doctor on the straight and narrow., male OR female

    She will never save the day in her season finales because ‘it’s always her male companion’ ? Mate what the friggin hell are you smokin?

    You want to try that all again?

    *throws troll food into death trap*

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    #34969
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    @perry

    Nope. Still not getting it. What is the question?

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    #34965
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    @perry okaaay, you haven’t watched 6-8. so why exactly are you asking the question!?

    Are you wondering if it’s ‘worthwhile’ watching the next 3 seasons? well…yes of course it is.

    If you aren’t looking for a bit of ‘nit-picking’ of episodes, not sure you’ve come to the right place 😉

    So, in essence: What’s your point caller?

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    #34962
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    @perry  well firstly … what do YOU think?

    Secondly. If he stopped now: He has left behind the crafting of 2 Doctors, multiple companions, multiple Christmas episodes, the 50th Anniversary episode and many of the best loved/rated episodes in the rebooted series (blink, girl in the fireplace, etc etc etc).

    SO, overall IMO: The boy done good.

    The only comparison I would make is with RTD, I don’t think it is fair to try and compare to the BG era. RTD did what was needed to bring the show back and make it a success. SM has done what has needed to build on that and I think his run has been superb. BUT you cannot have one without the other.

    The real test is where we go next.  My prediction is Jamie Mathieson is going to be the next show runner whenever SM steps down – purely based on the fact his 2 scripts this year have been my favourite episodes 🙂

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    #34961
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    @Burrunjor

    I agree with your sentiments. My initial negative reaction to Missy being the Master was mainly because it ‘helps’ (but not the only reason, as Time Lords/Lady’s changing gender has already been well established) pave the way to the Doctor eventually being female in the future, and that is something I personally would hate to see.

    Sexism has nothing to do with it IMO it’s more how people view the character. My reasons for not wanting the Doctor to be female are nothing to do with me thinking a female couldn’t have that role, it’s just not where I personally want the Doctor character to go.

    I haven’t read your link, because it goes nowhere. But my take on “what would happen if the Doctor was played by a woman” is: overall? very little.

    That doesn’t mean it would require a great deal of adjustment myself if that were to happen. But as far as Earth shattering type things go? Overall … not really. The show would remain essentially exactly the same: Mad person in a blue box through ALL of time and space.

    Actually, there’s a thing. I wonder what would cause the biggest uproar. the Doctor being female or the TARDIS being a permanently different colour/shape 😉

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    #34952
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    Been catching up with the oh so many posts. So much good chat, haven’t quite got my head round all the current bonkers.

    I had barely recovered from almost snorting beer out my nose at @phaseshift ‘letter to the BBC’ about trolls when I then came across the post from @whisht and well, lets just say I wishI had some sort of respiratory bypass system thing that would have allowed me to actually breathe rather than inhaling most of the rest of the beer into my lungs XD  Great stuff. Very funny!

    @apopheniac for the record, don’t worry  I don’t want Adric back either! Just couldn’t resist silly bonkers with the Maths link 🙂

    As for current thinking, and I think I’m repeating what others have said, so apologies for not @ing everyone.

    Initially I had thought the 3 month note could have been a nod towards Clara being pregnant but now (having watched things back and also reading the various theories on here) I’m not so sure – I ‘m leaning more towards the 3 months is how long she has been lying to Danny about still travelling with the Doctor.

    Also think that Clara’s phonecall to Danny is definitely in real time – I had thought at one point this was a future Clara but looking back I don’t think so. Mainly because she doesn’t realise he’s had the accident

    I’m now wondering if all these notes are all the things she wants to say and get out in the open (with the notes being all the points she wants to make sure she says) with her end goal being asking Danny to marry her. But she never gets to pop the question!

    @rob SEB as an acronym, oh now that’s very interesting. Don’t think I can top your one, but I’ll go with:

    Sarcastic Evil Banter

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    #34683
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    @ellethepiff well thank goodness you kept that to yourself.

    I have to admit my initial reaction was, well not quite as strong as what you say, but that i hated that Missy is the Master. It’s not what I wanted to happen, I wanted something new not old villain dragged out yet again. I felt quite let down.

    But after I thought about it more, read posts on here and rewatched things I changed my mind. It’s still not what I wanted to happen, but I’m no longer feeling let down about it and instead am very excited to see where this is going to go now.

    I sense you might be at stage 2 of the 5 stages of ‘grief (if you don’t know what I’m talking about maybe go have a look at my post #34448).

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    #34681
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    Aha! Utter bonkers theory: Danny is Adric! (it’s the Maths link that totally gives it away!). Sebs gold pin is actually Adric’s badge for mathematical excellence that Danny will steal back and use it to escape the Nethersphere but there will be a tragic end for  him when after he, Clara and the Doctor save the day and thwart Missys’s evil plans that he gets trapped inside St Pauls when it accidentally gets launched back in time to crash into the Earth and wipe out the dinosaurs!

    😉

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    #34578
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    @purofilion re 5 stages of grief

    My boy read that and loved it.

    Well now. I cannot think of a higher compliment! That hit me right in the feels 😀

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    #34569
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    @arbutus  Wow, thank you *blushes* (and of course to others who commented on my journey to acceptance rambling daftness, glad you enjoyed it!). I hadn’t intended to do that, it kind of just happened as I was writing my post about initially being annoyed about Missy/Master and that 5 stages of grief somehow just clicked.

    I’ve gone back now and watched the Time Of The Doctor and also The End Of Time and I’m now thinking that where this series is going is ‘balance’. The Time Lords gave the Doctor a new set of regenerations, but to keep the balance with the universe they have to give the Master the same. They are the only two survivors of the time war (as said in End Of Time).

    Other thing is about ‘where did i get this face from.’ I am still hoping this will be addressed. One of RTD comments about John Frobisher in the Torchwood Children of Earth was that he thought this was possibly  a descendant of Roman time Caeciluis and that him doing what he had to do  was balance/closure for the whole ‘save someone who should have died’ – i.e. future consequences. I wonder if Missy is the one who is going to break it to him about this balance!

    And i’d just like this opportunity to say this season is the first time I’ve ever participated in a forum like this for Doctor Who and I have loved it! You are all brilliant. So many bonkers theory’s, so much brilliant discussion, I am now kicking myself for never doing this before.

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    #34487
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    @Margaret-Blaine  Yeah, sorry to burst your bonkette bubble! But for the record, I would like some sort of call back to Journey Blue too 🙂  probably not going to happen!  Although having said that, not like we haven’t had characters/actors reappearing as main characters before 🙂

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    #34482
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    @Margaret-Blaine I think it was the kid he killed when he was a soldier. Presumably (and hopefully) to help convince him to not press delete…

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    #34473
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    Watching this again, the post it notes on Clara’s wall/shelf. Most are related to various adventures/episodes. One of them says ‘three months’. Perhaps. 3 months pregnant @jimbomcmaster?  🙂  Ohhh.

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    #34461
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    @phaseshift  Totally agree. I wish I could have watched that episode without knowing it WAS going to be Cybermen. It lost a lot of the impact. Although seeing the cybermen slowly being revealed over the skeletons was very, very creepy.

    Ah. Earthshock. Probably THE defining moment in my early years of watching Doctor Who!

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    #34457
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    @phaseshift I you haven’t already bought a Mary Poppins outfit I’m going to be disappointed 😉 In fact I bet you are wearing it right now! XD

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    #34448
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    I loved (most) of this episode. In particular the Doctor& Clara, with him not caring that she had betrayed him. That hit me right in the feels!  And poor Danny! Did not expect THAT at the start. Shocker! The Cybermen were no surprise, too many spoilers around for me not to have known that in advance. Still, the ‘reveal’ with the 2 doors was very good.

    Missy’s line about ‘Not knowing there was a match on’ to excuse the Doctors Scottish shouting in the middle of London had me in stitches. As someone else said earlier, for an episode that’s basically about Death I was laughing a hell of a lot!

    But what really spoilt it for me is I REALLY didn’t want Missy to be the Master 🙁 I have always hated the Time-Lords-can-be-a-different-gender  idea, for me it just doesn’t seem ‘right’ (I don’t know why exactly). I was hoping for a NEW villain. Oh well.

    So. At this point I’m quite disappointed. But I am not going to throw my toys out of the pram and declare that it’s all gone horribly wrong and I’ll never watch it again (which I’m sure some people will about this). It is what it is, SM has taken a bold new step and done it brilliantly. Michelle Gomez is SO good. I’m just going to have to get my head round this new Master and get used to it 🙂

    And, even just writing this down here, I’m already starting to change my mind. Now that I think about it, going with the death theme, I’m actually going through the 5 stages of grief (albeit rather accelerated):

    Denial: What? No…but…but they snogged and the Master and the Doctor!? REALLY! 😮

    Anger: “Well that’s totally ruined that episode for me and I’d been so looking forward to it all week! How dare they! I’ll NEVER be able to watch any previous Doctor/Master episodes!”

    Bargaining: “Well I hope they fix this in the next episode and she really isn’t the Master.”

    Depression: “Who am I kidding, there will be no fix. Meh. I’m going to go on the internet and see who else is outraged”

    Acceptance: “Y’now what…I’m still not sure but…this is actually quite cool

    Hmm..that was quicker than I expected XD.

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    #34433
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    What? What WHAT! 😮

    Need. Next week. NOW!  😀

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    #34412
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    @purofilion

    I’ve had the nickname ‘Spider’ for many years, partly due to the irony that I can’t stand spiders and partly for other reasons far too convoluted to explain (even here in good old bonkers land). So that is why I’m bouncing not scuttling! 😀  I think there is still a large dent in my sofa from me trying to burrow into it during the KtM episode 😉

    Argh! Giant spider on a guitar – I may never be able to play mine again now you’ve shared that story!

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    #34403
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    Ok for the record of musings on the finale. I don’t think Missy is the Master, I think she is some sort of Death minion of some…type. Really would like there to be some new big bad we haven’t seen before.

    Clara, that I just can’t decide. So many things! Evidence obviously points towards her being some sort of pawn? in Missy’s plan. But what that is all about I really don’t know.

    Need. To. See. Episode!

    I’m going to be an unbearable bouncing off the walls idiot all of Sat … must find distractions!

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    #34402
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    All saints day! ohh I hadn’t made that connection, nice one @purofilion. Now I’m probably going to have some sort of manic dream about that 😉 *kidding*! Or…am i 😮

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    #34396
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    @miapatrick and @purofilion  also glad it’s not just me XD

    Now. If we all end up having the SAME dream tonight…that would be weird 😉

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    #34391
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    Times when you know you are far too obsessed….

    Had a rather vivid and vaguely disturbing dream last night that woke me up in the middle of the night, general apocalyptic badness, cities bombed, oh no where is the family, must find people, running round, angry mobs etc. And at one point in the dream while running away from some angry looting mob I distinctly remember thinking “I really hope this is a dream, otherwise I’m going to miss the next episode of Doctor Who”.

    So, it would seem my subconscious is more worried about missing an episode than the fact there was an apocalypse :o.

    And as if that weren’t bad enough, when I got back to sleep ended up having a second dream – one of those you are trying to go somewhere or find something but never seem to manage to do it because you get distracted. Someone in my dream was flicking through a magazine and said something about “Oh there’s a new episode of Doctor Who on!” and me, running past this in my dream looking for whatever object I couldn’t find shouting: “No! Don’t tell me! Don’t tell me. Spoilers!”

    I look forward to discovering what my brain comes up with when I go to sleep tonight 🙂

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    #34375
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    @beancounter, yes you are right in that the people Missy meets are random and not all the people who die on DW show up there – however, this is only what we have been allowed to see, it may be there is far more going on and we just haven’t seen it on screen. In the Caretaker episode Seb does reference that they have ‘had a few in’ from the stovax blitzer? (or whatever the bloody robot is called, I can never remember) and we don’t see them, only the one Policeman. So that points to there are people showing up that did die during the course of an episode, just we didn’t see. So for me I’m still thinking that Missy as Death/ferryman etc. is still a possibility. But, whatever she ends up being I think it’s going to be very interesting! 🙂

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    #34358
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    The Doctor is at least 2000 years old. Because he was ~1000 years old (ish – possibly younger, I think 904 was said in Voyage Of The Damned) when 10 regenerated into 11. And 11 spent at least 1000? years on trenzalore, plus there was at least 200 years of him time travelling about when Amy and Rory weren’t traveling with him. Plus probably lots more instances I’ve forgotten about.

    I’m pretty sure SM has said the Doctor has no idea how old he is so just makes it up. Remember rule #1: The Doctor lies. So I think the general idea is he is vaguely ‘in his 2000’s’.

    So @beancounter there’s really no point in trying to read something into what is essentially a made up number XD.

    Also regarding the ‘ape’ issue, as @miapatrick already pointed out the actual line is: “People are apes, men are monkeys.”. So it’s not just ‘man bashing’ it’s people bashing as well! Oh the humanity!!!

    And with everything else, well others have already commented so I shan’t repeat.

    I had intended to end this post with some bonkers theory but they have all deserted me for the moment!

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    #34220
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    Hi @commishkc sorry to hear you aren’t enjoying this season.  I do agree a little bit about the social media comments aren’t needed, I also am not a huge fan of having too many kids in episodes (and they haven’t been in ALL the episodes) but personally I think in this latest episode it works well (the kids) as being something quite different.

    I think we have got a grumpy Doctor and I think there have been far more than just ‘flashes’ of this, it’s pretty much there all the time – although having said that, I don’t want him to be grumpy all the time because it pushes the character too far away from the audience – which for me I felt was happening a bit until the Mummy episode (still I think for me my favourite this season).

    As to Clara. If this was last season I would have agreed with you, I was getting very tired of her during that run, but this season for me it has been a completely turn around with the character. I will admit the lying is getting a bit grating but it fits with the ‘being addicted to something and lying in order to get what you want’. As others have said, I have a feeling there is a very big fall waiting for Clara because of this!

    Longest series yet? Um, what? You lost me there.

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    #34174
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    Having watched the episode again tonight I’ve completely changed my mind about it. On first watch I thought it was a bit ‘meh’ in general and pretty weak. But watching again (admittedly when its not so late and I’ve had less to drink ;)) there are so many lovely moments. Seeing the Doctor react with kids, Danny/Clara dynamic. Clara having to cope with her two worlds colliding (and doing it far less well than Danny or the Doctor cope with each other i think). It is actually a lovely story and a good breather before the season finale.

    Personally, I loved the ‘listen’ to people, not give them medication/drugs kind of message. Yes I can see why it’s a bit concerning of a message but it’s actually very important, and for me it struck a huge chord. A few years ago I was going through a not great time in my head , there were some family issues with depression going on  (not me, a relative) and it was a difficult time and i wasn’t coping very well (although i didn’t realise then, only after) .

    I ended up going and chatting to a counselor for a few weeks, because once i realised my head was in such a wrong place that’s what i felt i should do and what i needed,  to talk to someone, have them listen to me, and not in any way take any drugs, i didn’t want to go the drugs route. I had seen what it had done to other people. I didn’t want to have to be on medication. And in the end it was fine, i had a bit of a wobble, but i managed to sort myself out, and family member slowly got so much better and is now so different it’s like having them back after them being so very far away.

    But at one point when all this was bad I remember somebody (not GP I think it was occupational health at my work) saying after we had had a chat about how i was doing, the response was “Are you still resisting the drugs” and my heart completely sank. Because the first course of action  should not be drugs, it should be ‘listen’. It should be ‘listen’ what the person is trying to tell you. And maybe that needs to lead to medication. But at first what we need to do is just ..listen. And that, fundamentally it the biggest thing i personally took from this episode.

    Apologies if this is a bit to ‘heavy’ stuff to bring to the discussion about an episode about a TV show, but i just needed to say 🙂

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    Oh and another thing i forgot to say, the girl sister of child-i-have-forgotten-name-of who appears from the bushes in a haze of golden flashes and gives a lovely smile? My immediate thought was ‘future companion’ 😀

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    Overall, have to say although i did enjoy a lot of elements of that it was mostly very disappointing. Not with the Characters/Actors, who were great, or the story which was good… but there was something just very MEH about the whole package for me. Now, that is on first watch, will have to see it again. But i think it was in a lot of places one of the weakest episodes we’ve had this series IMO.

    I just think tone wise this should have maybe been ep 3, with Robot of Sherwood taking its place in the running order. I dunno? Maybe in that case i would be criticising the exact opposite XD

    What I think is the most telling thing for me is that I have watched the ‘next time’ trailer about a  billion times by now (and not saying anything about it here cos obviously spoilers), but i am completely hooked on that and really then have little interest in watching tonight’s episode again/and…and that’s very different to every other episode this series when my first reaction is i want to watch that episode again.

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    With Clara changing too ‘quickly’ for some, i agree with @jimmyp that there looks like there have been lots and lots more episodes than we have actually seen on screen and so more dynamic/change. Which personally I love because it leaves more ‘gaps’ for other novels/stories/fanfic to fill. So i think the timescales for it all happening with her going from being not so sure girl to ‘ i am the Doctor’ feel ‘right’ for me.

    Also, for the record, I also do not want this to be a ‘Master is behind it all wa hahahaha’ series ending.I think that would be terrible at this point. NOT because I don’t like the Master (who i’m sure we will see at some point in the future), but it just wouldn’t fit the way this series has been going and what SM is looking to be doing (a dangerous assumption  i know) and how this series has been going and that would just be a MEH thing for me.

    (\(|;;/)/) *not underneath the bed honest, that would be creepy…wouldn’t it? * 😉

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    @scaryb hee hee! No probs, great minds do indeed think alike 😉 Nice to have someone backing me up (since I wasn’t entirely sure I was remembering bits of episodes correctly).

    Ah ok, cheers for the reference. I’m kind of torn about whether or not I’d want to see River again, on the one hand I’d like that story line to be finished but on the other I would love to see how Peter Capaldi and Alex Kingston played the relationship!

    Hmmm,thats a point. Since the Doctor v1.13 technically ‘died’ and we have reboot Doctor v2.1 (new set of regeneration’s) does that mean he and River are no longer married?

    And just to pull this post back on topic of Flatline, watched it again this afternoon and thoughrally enjoyed it yet again! As I think has already been said many times, I think Clara is going to be up for a very bumpy ride the next few episodes…

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    @melloyello I think it has been explained why she doesn’t know the other Doctors:

    As @thommck said Clara suffers memory loss after coming back out of the Doctors time stream so she doesn’t actually remember meeting any of the other Doctors? Although I can’t remember if this is established as a fact in the episode or just an assumption on our part because she doesn’t recognise other Doctors – so it might be possible she is lying / faking not knowing other Doctors (but I don’t buy that myself).

    When we first see the War Doctor is that not when 11 jumps into his time stream to save Clara. So once they are out she doesn’t remember (cos of previously mentioned memory loss), but of course we the audience do as a nice big juicy teaser for the anniversary episode.

    Also didn’t 11 call Clara after he had received the new set of lives and so knew there would be another Doctor? (Or am i misremembering) but I’m pretty sure he makes the call just before Clara finds the about-to-regenerate-11th-Doctor back in the TARDIS, there is a shot of her putting the TARDIS phone back on it’s hook just before she enters – presumably just after the 11th Doctor has called future-Clara.

    However I totally agree someone has gone out of their way to put Clara and the Doctor together (Missy presumably but who knows), and is gathering intel, for what we don’t know (might be to kill the Doctor, might not) whether that goes back as far as setting up the whole time steam thing as well we will have to wait and see but my guess is it probably will 😀

    What’s the River link to Clara? I don’t remember that – I’m not saying it didn’t happen, I’m just saying I don’t recall 🙂 can you (or anyone else) shed a bit more light on that cos that’s interesting.

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    @fangirl.slowly  (dunno if this link has worked properly) welcome!  Glad to hear you are obsessed, i think you have come to the right place 😀

    Yes there is an episode that hints towards Jack being the face of Boe, but it is a slight tease and we do not know if that is really the case. Ep is Last of the time lords with Doctor 10 (not 11), Jack and Martha where he talks about being called ‘the face of boe’ (because he is from boe peninsula). And Martha and 10 do indeed look at each other as they grasp the potential consequences…but it has never been actually shown if this is really the case. Maybe it’s the truth, or…maybe is huge red herring by RTD!

    Sorry to be picky, please don’t take it the wrong way! Welcome again, and looking forward to hear your thoughts on other eps.

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    Late to the party (again…but I brought booze, nibbles and circular pi…which may or may not be edible…om nom nom…oh! apparently it IS edible *spider says though mouthfuls of pi*).

    Loved the episode, favourite bit (apart from the monster which was genius!) was probably Clara finding the tiny TARDIS ‘adorable’ (would have loved there to be a real ‘tiny Doctor’ idea, but obviously not feasible, or the point of the Doctor ‘lite’ ep).  All the chat here has basically covered mostly everything I would want to comment on it XD. Really can’t make up my mind about Missy now! And think there is just something bad coming up for Clara with all that has gone on, either a Clara has to decide between Danny/Doctor or they are put in a position where Doctor/Clara are working towards a different goal. Or…ARGH! Too. Many. Things. 😀

    Also (and apologies if its already been said), explanation for changes in Doctor’s hair – when he’s in the TARDIS it’s just lost a dimension 😉

    Have to go get more booze. Head exploding with all the bonkers.

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    @scaryb Aha! thought i saw you podding about in the Nethershpere but when we both saw the…oh what? Memory worms you say? I don’t remember that at all. Apart from when we both suddenly woke up shouting at each other across a table…probably not related I’m sure XD

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    @lisa oh your REALLY wont believe what is going here. 😮

    But Missy has been paying attention to these forums and has been getting some fantastic ideas.

    We should work out some sort of code. Ahh Got to go, they are coming! Later! ;D

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    @soundworld no worries XD

    Woohoo! Brilliant prize, right I’m off. Orient Express. Brilliant. Hmmm…ok, not so good, people seem to be dying here. And there’s some really strange Scottish bloke running about spouting nonsense. Now, what’s this. Oh hello! Are you my Mu…ARGH!

    Good news though people! I’m now in the promised land with Missy and I can tell you all about…what? what do you mean I can’t tell them? They are dying to know, well, not literally. Oh right, I see. Spoilers. Well fair enough.

    So sorry, can’t actually tell you what’s going on…but it IS cool and you WILL love it 😉

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