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@pedant I do however, charge for my editorial services.

Everything I do, I do because of you….there’s a song like that…..Not quite the right words.

Flippin heck, Mr P, where do you find your patience? In fact, you are patient.

Somehow the world’s flipped over-night. We’re in Upside- down World.  Exactly, Parks’ ‘plan’ wasn’t planned. The work by Manning Marable makes that clear.

I’m still on “not everybody thought that way” suggestive of Nazi Germany: “not everyone wanted the Jews, the Gays, the Catholics, the physically handicapped, dead.”

Lunch.

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remember how Puro would get pissed off?

This is happening to me now.  Every few posts there’s a person saying “Britain was never segregated” or “even though Alabama back then was easily the most racist place in America,  not everyone felt that way.”

1. Don’t forget Mississippi @texasferrets  (Texas? Mmm)

2. Most people DID feel that way in those states: please look carefully at interpretations of the Mason Dixon Line.

3. Months =6 on Medgar Evers, Rosa Parks, MLK…..

Some of you new members (welcome): I’m 16 how can you NOT know the things you are saying are “off” or like the “Britain” comment, just plain screwed up? Ghettos? Estates?

@georgecotty what @jimthefish and @bluesqueakpip said.  I don’t necessarily think those who write “this is preachy” will be back, Jim. To me, if they don’t know the show’s history with The Aztecs (I watched it 2 days ago) or The Empty Child, even, then they are here, possibly, to troll. But maybe not. Maybe they’ve been watching since PC. Except hang on, the entire 2-parter on the Zygons was about EXACTLY THIS SITUATION!

I guess this has been a forum for people to explain things. Not to write: “this is plain rubbish.” That’s a world of youtube, and we don’t need that. I did actually post above, nicely,  before I decided to get a bit angry here. I think it’s important to sometimes be angry? And sometimes even stay that way. But I understand this is a haven where staying angry is a ‘bad thing.’ When people are pissed off they don’t learn. Mind you, Evers was seriously pissed off. So was MLK and Diane Nash, Mildred Bond Roxborough ….So….

I’ll have lunch.

@troygorsline Agreed.

Grgh! (for Puro).

T16 (I will smile!  Through some tears). xx00

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@misterf55 @dogboythecat

I’m circling you. Thinking better of it. Then not. I am well educated like a lot of people. I spent many months investigating speeches by people stronger, smarter, braver than me (some like 14 year old Emmett Till): MLK; Medgar Evers; Rosa Parks; Laura Nelson; Ida B. Wells-Barnett; Fannie Lou Hamer (“actresses,” some). As others stronger and smarter than me @jimthefish @juniperfish said, the show delves deeply into “issues.” It’s never been a cowardly programme. An Unearthly Child is about sacrifice; who ‘matters’ and who doesn’t. @dogboythecat  there’s nothing ‘subtle’ about Till’s murder.

King: “We are done with tokenism which leads to do-nothingism and stand-still-ism” and Frank X Walker, “people who think the Civil Rights Mvt began in the 1960s betrays the memory of every single body vanished on the way home from school.”

Evers: “When you hate the only one who suffers is you because most of them you hate don’t know it and the rest don’t care. We must keep speaking (in Michael V. Williams. 2011).”

And: “all these people who devoted themselves, sacrificed themselves…to parasites, eaten out with jealousy, envy, longing for the lives of others, to feed on them, on the memory of love and loss.” Sounds like Doctor King or Evers.

All the Doctors have spoken, “In all the years I have been taking care of you…you in return have been  taking care of me Susan…One day I shall come back. Til then no regrets…Go forward in all your beliefs and prove to me  I am not mistaken in mine.”

Thank you for reading, Thane16.

 

 

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Oh and this one too. Dylan’s lyrics are awesome here, imho. T16

 

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This isn’t exactly right as it’s Birmingham. A lot don’t like Phil Ochs either. I do. He and Dylan split pretty nastily due to Ochs’ wish Dylan would stay with protest lyrics. Just in case people didn’t know, is all.

T16

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“We don’t serve negroes”

Good, because I don’t eat them. I lost it!

Did 69 pages on Emmett Till in an assignment. Grade school. Harder than university. Teacher didn’t know the name. Fortunately she knew Rosa Parks.

Emmett was 14 when lynched. Mister Willie Lynch (lynching) in The Making of a Slave.  Big respect for Chris Chibnall handling a difficult period perfectly. Sadly I don’t think The Civil Rights Movement can ever be over.

T16.

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@pedant well, yes I am admirable.  Mum said that so I typed it!

But I agree with you too. Also she looks at the tardis as well as seeing & its gorgeous.

People also say that we are disadvantaged when we cannot view a person we wish to. Awkward phrasing & “obvious” but that is a difficulty now. “This modern world” and all that…

T16

 

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so Alec Roberts has orchestrated and contributed to a number of telly series and also some movies. The score of this so VERY  operatic.

Puro

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at approx. 45:49 Director slams the close up when the Doctor says,
“do you wanna try?”  (fitting in TARDIS).

So much to love about this. sladders and lakes

Dooley’s character (brilliantly acted) saying “you’re irrelevant” and “I love my mum.”

I think when Lynch popped up with “I scooped you!” I fell for her. Ensemble Class: or cast. 🙂

Quite Firefly-ish; hint of Hunger Games and obviously Bad Wolf: “you are the weakest link.” Also Mad Max.

I really think JW is a very different Doctor to the others. There’s an absolute lack of mystery. She thinks, she says, she acts. Other Doctors simply don’t outline what they’re doing all the time. I like this new aspect.

I like her upbeat quality and I really enjoyed how Graham (the fixer) says “no, no, we’re going to get out.”  The Companions  different to other iterations/eras perhaps? It’s a quartet. Each skilful, with independent tonal range.

The score was ever so subtle. Nothing operatic, vast or voluminous.

Puro

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@whisht Hooray! Music. Silly? Never! 😀   For instance…..Dr Berg…( I need a  re-watch of that bit with Malik -it was hard to hear but there was an odd …..feel too).

@arbutus

exactly, I enjoy Berg -with reservations. At restaurants and bars. Although the fare at the local Mater Mirage is somewhat less varied it has its upsides.  Lots of condiment packets? It’s the European in me. The whole fridge is condiments for Puro. So PC liked Beethoven and various Doctors would’ve met a number of musicians and composers since 1963. Debussy, Stevie Wonder. That’s like meeting god. Which he did too. Then there was cooking school…(omelettes and reservations). So JW’s choice/preference could be a Sheffield rock band. One springs to mind (mind the pun).

Puro

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@arbutus

but do you like Alban Berg?   😀     I do myself and I particularly like Cantos which use statements like the one above -Handel was my original inspiration…..

Good to hear from you… I shall pop to PMs. I somehow missed some messages (blame the drugs. Everyone else does and they’re right!)

Puro xx

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@idiotsavon

And when the Clara intrigue came along, I was really gripped. (I discovered this fab forum during a massive Clara-based Google session..

WHERE have you  BEEN?

OK that works better in an actual story format. What I’m saying is, thank you for that gold (it wasn’t just a tuppence).  I also did a mad google search and fell from the sky (not because I’m God) into the laps of the Forum.

Laps. That’s more my thing. And I was snotting with the best.

Puro

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@shinymcshine

Well, dear, I did call bullshit on the other thread. And I thought you said you were leaving? 🙂

@juniperfish “interrogate the whatsit.”

Are we post-modern again?

*just kidding*  all’s good.

@troygorsline

You’re the one I like.

This is hilarious. I’ve seen the episode once. Everything is upside down.

Puro with drips.

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@shinymcshine

it’s even worse than that. The computer inside it has nothing to do with primitive earth tech either. … In the 3 Dr.s episode, one had an algorithm running for 400 years to solve the unlocking of a wooden door… writer’s trivialized it and cheated us again.

I find that a little ‘off’ with respect. I don’t see trivialising. You used “us” above. I’m reminded of Clara: “don’t speak for me” and “I have a right to my past” but I understand you feel it isn’t working for you. 🙁 That’s OK.

From an in-story perspective we know that since the 3 Doctors episode the Doctor is many MANY years older so telepathically sorting the TARDIS and sonic isn’t unlikely. But it doesn’t need to go as far as telepathy just a different dimensional ‘space’ as the Doctor became more experienced. Missy mentioned this. Also, at this point we’re in the First 40 mins of a new showrunner, Doctor, composer, writer room so being “cheated again” is definitely Jumping The Shark.

I think The Fifth Element wouldn’t have explained that latter term due to issues with unnecessary exposition in that particular work. So get back to me if you need to.

T16. I’m the younger one (@16), Mum wrote the stuff above under her name Puro (timeywimey)

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@pedant  @ichabod

As I said, it was a rebuke for someone who had made a dick move on someone who was beaten and being expelled – then crowed about it, in his wholly inadequate way. It was a tiny analogue of Tom Shaw’s abject an cowardly inadequacy.

Indeed. @shinymcshine it is history or characteristic for the Doctor to state: “you had no right.” I felt it was unnecessary for Crane to do what he did.

I’m reminded of this when new Doctor falls. Viewers thought…. well,  this... and the opposite of this at the same time.

 

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@pedant

It’s the “in reality” that makes it Art.

@ichabod

But high pitches are..used to indicate “I am non-threatening, don’t fear me” and “I wuv you, you little cutey pie, come to mama” …. And a low, slow voice in humans, both male and female, is sometimes associated with seductive excitement.

Yes, lower pitches are calming to some species.**  The “wuv you” is more timbre. Something “slow” is neither pitch nor timbre but tempo, as far as I can tell.

**if it is calming to ‘some’ species it’s not calming to all. But at one point, researchers headed to Transpositional Logic Land stating: calm emerges from low pitch. If we are not calm, the pitch isn’t low. Or: if a cause always leads to an effect then absence of that effect is evidence of absence of the cause.

Which isn’t true when we’re talking about pitch and calm across all species.  🙂

And then we had lots of  ‘pitching up’ rocket-ships in this episode. *\*~ Pitching up didn’t result in calm there.   😈

Puro with drips.

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@bluesqueakpip

But it is a video game. It’s made clear it’s a video game. It’s just that this particular video game has real live people taking part.

Quite.

@pedant The issue with the word ‘authoritative’ is boiling the Pot in my head because it’s a ‘small’ word for an enormous concept, imo. 🙂

On Akinola. I got a call t’other day from old college and there was excitement. He’s involved in a few interesting projects after and during Who. The use of Derbyshire’s composition is facia bene. The tension rod adjustment on the field drum is quite specific rather than customised, imo =heard it only the once, so don’t quote me. But there’s a dimensional width to the score absent in years. The colourised sequence reminded me of the interior of sclerotic bowel.

And right too: Akinola is a Derbyshire fan from before her years of ‘on screen interview’ re Who. But also after.

Puro

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@pedant  @cathannabel

At last something I know something about!

Aircraft….

I often say I have difficulty talking to people who don’t understand planes. Issues of attitude determining altitude etc. 🙂

But I digress. Different vocal styles are produced by men and women. Pitch and timbre are quite different. Different notes can have the same timbre (imagine ‘colour’ or ‘feel’ or character) but play different ‘notes’ or pitches. Each instrument can play a ‘character’ or a vivid crashing wave which elicits a feeling. This feeling is timbre and describes the range of sound character that instruments can now produce -which they couldn’t do in the 1700s.

Also, timbre is frequency ‘addicted’ or ‘attracted.’  If you listen to a sound-wave (frequency) from 2 different instruments the timbre will be quite different. Yet the pitch might be the same.

Amongst ATC and commercial airliners the timbre of a particular voice, from a particular individual determines the level of what I’ve defined as ‘sooth-force.’ Timbre or sound-waves of a specific type or character are calming. In the most recent studies female vocalists using a specific timbre are most successful when lower pitch is identified and produced.

Then there’s over-tones and harmonics….

Puro.

Puro

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@miapatrick

My training has been cancelled. 🙁  Mum said “How on EARTH could I (her) have caused that to happen. What are you? FIVE?”  I didn’t get cake, though, so she easily could  ‘do’ weather. I’m sure words with Rain God are totally within her powers.

In fairness the tread was because she has to lift a drip…. which in our house has to be funny not sad. So, add in the dramatic tension with the sound of three legs (the drip) and it reminds me of (yes, Buffy!) and also that Zombie movie made in the UK where the oldies were fighting off zombs with walkers.

Anyway, enough silliness. Maths. Onto Maths.

@ichabod I find white chocolate also very sweet. I like dark chocolate but Mum who ALWAYS sneers at white-choc eaters was eating white chocolate the other day! I caught her. She pretended she couldn’t see it. Like that would happen. She causes rain to fall, denies me cake, makes me do maths, makes me read a Grenville book in one weekend and lies about chocolate.

I’m hogging this entire thread…..So, the uhm, tWWFtE was brilliant -for me. There were a few stop starts but I liked the colourisation (?) and also the scariness of the train meme. I think it was newly done as a ‘theme’ or idea – for me anyway . ***hogging ended.

T16

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@ichabod

Mum is coming up the stairs. She has a heavy tread. It’s like a scary horror flick.

I may not be modded but I’ll take my punishment if I am (but Mum started it. LOL). Worse (maybe) I’m threatened with no dessert!

And I like cake 🙁

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@miapatrick

Yep. Oops. You got that right. I (T16) was responding to ….oxygen bubbles and throwing up ….in them…..

As you were. AAAnd I stole that line from Puro The Elder.

 

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@juniperfish  re #64600

I think “connotations of greater informality” =  pejorative.

@cathannabel yes, that sounds really good to me. I think mum meant something like this. I do know Russell’s tea-pot and from a brief discussion before she nodded off on Sofa we delved into how low pitch is modelled in experiments across species and she mentioned that how we accustom ourselves to dialogue in film across genders is…..important . I need a few more years to get my head around all this…..

T16

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@ichabod

Oh come on. @miapatrick and I are throwing up. FOR SURE.

I should add if one wishes to ad lib or write stories go to fan wank fiction thread.

T16 (and I’m the younger one! Jeckers H. Cripes)

Yeah, I’ll be modded off. But I will not stand for stupid and neither will The Mother!

 

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@ichabod

Low voices show pitch relationships. Words like “authoritative” are stimulated from data modelling when recent CTs and MRIs show low pitch calming to most but not all species. Sometimes there’s a Russell TeaPot on the boil when small words like “authority” emerge from larger concepts via modelling discussions.

Logical atomism, it can kill ya.

Unlike five secs in “outer-space” @shinymcshine which won’t.

Unfortunately.

Purofilion-via-Thane.

 

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@shinymcshine

Futher Mucking Hell! That’s SO good. Much better than Chibber’s (That poor kid scolded for shoving tooth-face off the crane and doing something nasty. Jodes and crane-man should’ve hi-fived, personally. But I reckon Whedon would probably do it Chibber’s way.). But back to yours. My pals at Yale would bloody love it. But I recall some chick, really clever, stuck in a psyche ward, totally delusional, talking about a scary Austrian from the Future? This plot device was completed when she cleverly escapes after days. It was kind of gritty too. 

Who-viewers wouldn’t call it an “oxygen bubble” but I can totally get this was both iconoclastic and colloquial.

Sheffield’s pretty gritty and not just figuratively, so you know, props to you.

Certain dramatists could have issues with: camera swings from the side to the front and the TARDIS comes into view behind them. (now that’s a dramatic TARDIS entrance). In my career I’ve never witnessed a camera swinging either, but sure, it’s 1967 and we do that now.

Urim V`Thummim…

Puro

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@pedant @mudlark

Too much morphine clearly, “it’s on film”

Really? The bit where I said “aspirin?? shit!” except it was ibuprofen.

Christ, it IS on film: and that’s obviously quite embarrassing.  Particularly now.

As you were.

@bluequeakpip.

Mm? Yes, I had heard of that issue -with eyewitnesses.

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@pedant

Anecdote is not the singular of evidence.

Well, yes, see, because you can call it “anecdote” or a “story.” And either way the issue/anecdote/thing that happened DID actually happen. Did I write down everything that was said? Yes. Did I repeat it to another who wrote it also? Yes.

And….

Was it even on film? YES. The store caught it. Welcome to the new age.

It also served to demonstrate something. Something important. Not that it matters either way.

Forgive me, I’m very tired.

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@mudlark @pedant

You’re right, it’s an anti-inflammatory.  I got that quite wrong.

Stories are important. Why else vlog a Diabetes story?

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@pedant (soz, this is really the last post): if personal experience is the beginning of discourse and if discourse leads to group discussion and if THAT discussion leads to the decision to create surveys, or further study and if that study then leads to even more experiences listed in say, one place or many places then “stories” are the back-bone of progress. The stories indicate movement. Not necessarily movement forward but not information in stasis either.

Also, without stories, there are no people.

The “stories” could be wrong, sure,  if the information in them is not recognised as growing from one persons experience. # People reading it might think this information is knowledge when its not. Or that it is  fact when it isn’t. Caveats are very essential 🙂

But anecdotes are not always imprecise#. I would say that anecdotes are  “quite” precise if you look, for example, at the source of the anecdote. At the nature of the person who experienced this “story.”

Stories create curiosity which can kill the cat who had the personal story mentioned in the first place. But without the curiosity there’s no one to follow up what happened to the cat who died.

See what I did there? Also there are no ‘real’ miracles. I understood that. But, say, not walking into a building that falls over later because a person took a call, or some medical advice which was wrong, and therefore lived -I guess those situations happen constantly and we never know until it’s too late or just much later.

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@pedant

Thankyou. It looks like a top book and obviously very necessary (the “very” is the funny part. I hear at school things like “very unique, very very clever, really pregnant….LOL)

And I have a lot to learn. I keep forgetting “thank you” is not one word.

Mum would of said: “yee-hah”

Thank you.  🙂

PS; I believe some students in the physics class don’t understand sampling and evidence including whats now referred to as ‘binary data selective processing at micro levels”

Thanks for getting me! I’m a hard egg to crack.

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@pedant

Clarity didn’t happen did it?

What was meant, I reckon (but now I can’t ask her) was:

• read the packet
• know what’s in it
• most Doctors believe aspirin is pretty good
• some Doctors don’t like aspirin (probably those who haven’t kept up with the research)…..so
• keep up with the research
• read the literature and know from which area or pharm industry it ‘germinates.’

In other words the posts were completely in agreement. Hence my “wot? What’s PSA?”

It means Public Service Announcement. I should ‘of ‘ googled it. This is largest set of posts I’ve ever typed. And you too. All because of a lack of understanding or of reading. Also because its really distracting and I need it.

Now if you want a nightmare scenario, try heart disease at the same time as kidney disease.

We are all so sorry to hear about your dad. Sometimes people express things in a way that is relevant to their emotions and memory. Sometimes theres even a tendency to say, “try having THIS or that.” Like a competition. I think most people have some pretty sh** situation happening.  Often it  explains why things are said the way they are. Also she used to apologise a lot didn’t she? Not exactly sure why. Insecurity? Fear? Not wanting to offend? An over-mannered approach? Not one to be competitive myself, I’ll gently mention this:

Try having kidney disease, stercoral colitis, crohns and ischemic colitis. It happens. It’s rare.  It’s rarely not morbid.

Also there’s a post flying to this email box from you…..But I may need to get back there. Thank you for your patience at this difficult moment.

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@mudlark thank you Ms Mudlark. I appreciate it.

@pedant  Blimey:

We need, say:

multiple examples (really?)
that are representative of the population and chosen at random
in which the experimenter is blind to the selection (OMG, seriously?)
And in the case where the sample is people, the people are also blind (so don’t know if they are getting the medicine or a placebo) – these two together is what is meant by double blind. (I thought it meant they were visually impaired)
where the sample is big enough to be meaningful
and using methods that someone else can replicate (with their own sample) to see if they get the same results. (I’m about to hang myself)

I appreciate the teaching moment. But I’m not a duffer. I am actually aware of these issues: STEM, philosophy, parents; they’ve taught me these elements of representativeness…. The question was: “What’s PSA?” (in part)

I should have expressed what I suspect was meant originally by the post.

That:

“this happened because someone didn’t read the packet properly & took nurofen not realising it was actually aspirin. ” That was the bit where it looked as though someone didn’t quite understand that this story was funny. The anecdote demonstrated something  interesting or ironic.  Which was why I asked the question. This “story” (evidently found boring) wasn’t about whether nurofen/aspirin was helpful or medically ‘harmless’ or whether the research was “in” or not or whether one person’s experience is evidence or not. It was about not understanding what the story was about in the first place.

Kind of like this entire conversation.

Thank you, though, Mr P. I appreciate the evidence, what with your knowledge about these issues. And I am not being sarcastic. In case I get wacked. Which I expect will happen anyway.

Thank you.

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@pedant Hi I have read this information (finally) on the Pub pgs . You said :

PSA: Anecdote is not the singular of evidence.

What did that mean?

There was discussion of something to do with aspirin which indicates excellent health benefits for people with heart conditions. So, one more day for Episode 2.

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@pedant

I liked that. Mum showed me the first one you made a few weeks ago? Really liked the ‘ums’ sped up. Hope you’re not in agony at all. Or it’s bearable.

Thane.

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@notime

Yep, it’s called the Opening Title or Title sequence or Intro as opposed to “outro.”

@madtimetravellingscot A narrative in this instance was a called plot. ‘A’  happened then ‘B’ then ‘C’ with lots of discussion about what was happening in between. Felt like a very real situation: whether travelling on late night “ghost train” or “siege at a moving base” meme

@mik8888

I thought it was as well. “Hersey” LOL. And hello to you. @thetinker Agreed with @pedant red crystal was unusual. Kept pausing to look. You’re the official Red Crystal Spotter now 🙂

Didn’t realise I’d left the page running for 4 days. Oops.

From Thane16 sans Mum (Puro).

 

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@tempusfugit

I’m not sure about the fact that Graham has cancer.

OK. Sorry, why?

I look a million dollars and I’m half dead. No kidding. I have a paramedic watching this as I type and he’s performing a truly hideous job/procedure (these doods get paid far too little).  Yesterday I was in the garden for 4 hours. Last night I had some peeps over for dessert. By 9 pm I felt the world had ended. Again. @pedant is right. I’m a walking medical emergency. So, yep, Graham had cancer but he’s in remission. 🙂

And as @arbutus and @bluesqueakpip  mentioned Graham has plenty of time to evolve.  I think I wrote something about that on page 1: “teeth” is as much a metaphor as having a ‘gross scare.’ I don’t think Moffat is the only one capable of twists and metaphors. 🙂

@whisht absolutely: it was quite ‘militaristic.’ Effect could be removed by dropping the echo and ‘thinning’ down the width of the pitch. Basically a bongo drum with limited echo-creep would work – in fact it’s better played (or drummed) than synthesised. It’s easy to ‘stop’ the sound with your other hand. If that makes sense.

@arbutus waving with joy!

@cathannabel

I did rather like that the monster, whilst being brutal, was a bit crap. They tend to be invincible till suddenly they aren’t – as soon as she’d sussed that he was cheating, because he wasn’t up to the job, he was toast 

Brilliant!

@bluesqueakpip  you mentioned the fact Tennant re-grew his hand. I mentioned this myself elsewhere too. I’m getting the impression that many people could benefit from scanning some posts? I guess I find it frustrating that simple questions like “how can the Doctor have no cuts & bruises?” require complex answers when it’s established in-Who for decades. Ah well!  I understand that’s really my problem -a lack of patience! Your patience is enviable. But then…..hideous medical procedure…so therefore I have none….(or very little and so need a quick slap).  😀

@starla me too! I have the same love for it. More, even, than the Christmas Invasion with Tennant.

@notime Great theories about purple-vase-of-the-’80s-thingy. I too initially thought it was a regenerating TARDIS.

Kindest, Puro (and bloomin’ great to see so many regs and so many newbies. Long may you all stay). And @fatmaninabox I hope your complicated computer situation will solve itself. Throwing it around the room COULD help. I’ve done this myself but sadly not in an attempt to fix anything. I’m like drunken salad guy right now…

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@tempusfugit

Agreed. I imagine it won’t just be one baddie after another. I do recall in Buffy (and I aint no expert) that there were quite a few monsters of the week but it was in between the monsters where the characters’ growth occurred.

Doctor  Who has always been different, as you say. A very special kind of different which has ballooned into this mega-thing since 2005. We all want it to succeed. And with that comes nerves. I can’t imagine how Chibnall must be feeling. I loved (still do) Moffat’s work. But I expect he needed a rest.

Puro the Elder. 🙂

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@tempusfugit

No, not at all! We should have been clearer. I get what you mean, I also really loved Grace. She was everything you’d want in a character -in a real life person. Maybe they created her to be so very loving and positive so we’d feel that loss with a lot more ache? So, all in all I think it’s a hard thing to do: to let her die rather than the more confused, possibly less articulate Graham Grandad. Tough choices? I get that it’s difficult. For sure.

Now, that’s the Mother Speaking -Puro. I was once here on my own, as purofilion. Even though that handle’s changed I still refer to myself as Puro and it’s confusing.   Apologies.  And on to the next episode. I too have some concerns about the whole Chibbers package but from the depths of my memory I recall him being an absolute fan-boy of the show. I hope there’ll be lots of uppers and less downers. I speak personally. 🙂

(Puro).

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@tardigrade  @pedant writes this above:

But functionally, she is a bit like the Eric Balfour character, Jesse, in the first episode of Buffy (Whedon wanted him in the main credits, but the network wouldn’t let him). It is a signal that nobody is safe. It is also floats the question (which is is nice to see acknowledged in this thread) of why we care about her death more than drunken salad guy or the train driver.
And also, in storytelling terms any victory must have a toll (the exception being stories of misunderstanding, which is what – say – Empty Child/ Doctor Dances was).

Liking Grace and wanting her to stay, and not Graham was the point. It’s far more real life but at the same time @tempusfugit there’s still a lot in the episode to feed our escapism. A purple-blue vase of frigid cold….not to be confused with ‘fridging’ from @rob above. I thought it was too, but on balance, not. 😉

Well, time for a shift on to sleep…

Thane. The Younger.

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@tempusfugit

Sorry, it’s Thane here. With the old Who and NuWho there was a large area around the TARDIS protected? I think @mudlark and others already commented on that part of history so I wouldn’t be worried. If they were in that cold outer- atmosphere for a pico-second they’d be instantly frozen.

With the score, I think Mum meant that if you fell in love with 9’s musical motif it wouldn’t have happened in the first 30 minutes. Also, back in 2005 there was no real way to look back to say, 1097 or 1989 and immediately compare as we can now. This makes us all knowledgeable and opinionated all at once! 🙂

Thane16.

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@at all.

Speaking for me, Thane, I loved it. Immediately upon watching the first 12 mins, I said, “Oh, Lord, she’s DONE it!”

I can see why others might not.

From a 16 1/2 point of view, it was very funny AND there were the jump scares.

I really liked how Doctor said, in response to “what if it kills us?” “it could have already.”

I took that to mean, not: “if it wanted us dead…” but rather “we could be dead and not know it” Loved the: “can’t ride a bike. Started an alien invasion.”  🙂

She did talk an awful lot and there was discussion as to whether that narration (describing what she was doing) was necessary for momentum but in the end, us 16-yr olds thought it was necessary, funny and it clearly delineated this Doctor’s personality: that she refuses not to help, that she’s good at building things and this beauty of a line:

“I’m not yet who I am.”

Isn’t that great? It tells us all that we can change, move, regenerate for the better (or worse) so, all in all, this wasn’t preachy or speech-y but fast driving and villainous.

@tardigrade as for slow pacing? That really concerns me, because it was very fast paced, and to me, also very tight. And I watch some REALLY fast shows. Lots of Moffat writing was extemporised with large reflective gaps. So, I’d have to disagree with that view, on balance. I think the tone wasn’t bleak or  texture-less. There was optimism, a heavy dose of reality – in the word ‘Grace’ we have our entire premise. In that one word. I think Mum mentioned something like that above: I’ll have to get a shift on and read about that. With respect to her falling, I think Tennant lost a hand when he was still regenerating and it grew back so that explains why New Doctor can fall through a train and look beautiful: except for shredded clothes. 😀

From Thane. Thank you for reading.

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@pedant

I bow….

Followed by falling over.

Indeed Gold has made it clear, “it was a pastiche, basically. It was bloody hard. It was mainly samples.”

For the whole 1st season!  Later, Foster did quite a bit of the incidental music. I’d say that Akinola is at the stage Gold was at in 2002-03. We ought to give him time to develop. As for arcs, there’s something to be said that Buffy Season 3 wasn’t ‘arc-filled’ either. Sure, there was a general ‘plan’ but even that changed by the 5th- 10th episode and Who is half of the original American 22 episode run.  We knew where it was headed and I suspect within a couple of episodes we’ll gain the general impression for Who Under Chibbers.

I thought it WAS creepy but as I mentioned before, the Teeth of Scary Tim Shaw (TSTS) had a significant purpose: I didn’t think it was “proper gross” but it WAS proper scary. I recall the last time we saw Davros: now that was properly disturbing…..insane screams, fire, oozing daleks with their oozing bowels of sewers….   😀

Bring it on!  @tardigrade you’re back.

Puro and Thane

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@tempusfugit

Of course not! Nothing like that.

And certainly you didn’t have a go at him….and had you, that’s OK too. As I say, it’s not a “yes ma’am” place AT all. In fact being able to criticise is part of the site’s appeal because there’s no screaming or hassling, I just wanted to defend the dude a bit, is all.   He has one heck of a job and Murray Gold had many of the same issues. There’s an expectation to create a movie score every week. It’s like asking Superman to fly around the earth  -backwards!

Wait….

🙂

Puro.

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@kharis @missy @tempusFugit  I’m a Leo. And telling it like it is.  😀

I was a professional musician. So, speaking as an orchestral conductor the music was quite difficult to write; it’s new; it’s not Murray Gold but it IS a composer with a pretty legitimate background. I think that were he, or his family, reading comments that it’s “extremely boring, cold” that would be hurtful.

I’m not saying you shouldn’t – and no-one is being particularly rude or unfair. Posts are honest. If this was a “yes-sir” site that would be a bad thing. But music is personal to me, hence my comment. I’m not dissing anyone, old or new but I think it might be wise to wait ’til the end of the series before completely hating on the dude. Or not. But I totally get it. We miss Mr Gold  🙁

You’d ask yourself, OK, I loved Gold, I connected with him; he was soaring, not a mediocrity (that’s harsh @kharis! but that’s OK), would ya’ll really have thought that back in 2005 after the first 30 mins of a completely, utterly fresh new soundtrack?

It’s early dayz.

Puro

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@kharis

I understand the teeth, though. Check my post on page 1.

As for the music, ooh, that’s harsh! I actually thought it had some lovely orchestral moments? It wasn’t Murray, that’s for sure, but I do think it was in the upper portion of successful for something so obviously new. Again, that’s just my personal opinion….

Puro

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@nearlysane

Great handle!

Yes indeed this is a sane site as @janetteb indicates. The only twerp, last year, who became erm, difficult was actually me (but I totally put that down to medication & general insanity   😉

Agreed. I imagine the flame wars and unhilarity -hilarity would be most unbecoming for a civilised person. I assumed (foolishly) that people would love the entire episode. I’m confused as to what’s not to like?

Still, my bad, wrong thread.   😀

Welcome

Puro and Thane16

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@scaryb

I KNOW! Art, right? Mr Malik. Yonks ago, when I was 14, my mum had a large crush on him. It was pretty inappropriate, but she remembers it well….

Agreed re choon. I loved hearing the ‘B’ side as well, which since 2009 has been missing (I have it as a ring tone).

Puro

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@rob sounds wonderful!

@scaryb  oh, that be very clever….the top’s poking out. I like it!

 

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@translatorcircuit  welcome to the forum.

Thomas Jerome Newton (Bowie) was quite a bit different from our Doctor. In many, many ways, but it was a particularly good film.

Sounds like you enjoyed the episode then? 🙂

I’ve no doubt at all that the newly minted companions and a fully regenerated Doctor will survive in space -who, knows, there could be a large protection-area around the coordinates of the Tardis meaning they’re able to breathe happily. Or not…..

Puro (Thane16)

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@blenkinsopthebrave   Oh no! That’s awful. I think there’s a lot of positivity about this series and it will be interesting to read all this, ponder and then 8-10 months later (?), to actually see it for the first time.

But on balance I agree: the cellar is the way to go. That and I’m sure @rob agrees heartily, some very good coffee.

Possibly lollies (jelly babies of course) and chocolate too. Maybe even gelato.

In fact, the whole darn grocer….    🙁

Much love to you and Mrs Blenkinsop, Puro and Thane.

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