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13 September 2014 at 20:36 #31535
@thommck – not necessarily. Thoughts of Danny distracted her and she went to Danny’s timeline, thoughts of the Doctor distracted her (when he gasped) and she went to the Doctor’s timeline.
Playing Devil’s Advocate here, because I did think – when the Doctor joked about wanting to know Danny’s prospects – that he was acting very like Clara’s Dad.
[Umm, and yeah, I’m like – what the fcuk? That was stunning. I am stunned.]
13 September 2014 at 14:06 #31513Curse of Fenric. 🙂
Greatest Show in the Galaxy if you insist, because I can wax lyrical about the production problems. [Short version – they had to film it in a tent in the car park].
13 September 2014 at 01:59 #31500@fatmaninabox – carelessness, I think. I’m sure the non-fan reporters have seen pictures of all the BG Doctors, but I bet they’d have to look them up to be able to name anybody but ‘William Hartnell’ and ‘Tom Baker’.
A thirty year old reporter would’ve been five when the BG series went off-air. At that age, if your Mum wants to watch Coronation Street, you watch Coronation street. One of the BG Doctors was Scottish? Really?
As @arkleseizure says, Sylvester was excellent, after a very ropey start. In fact, he’s ‘my’ Doctor, even though Jon Pertwee was my first Doctor. 😉
12 September 2014 at 22:17 #31491@wolfweed – you mean it’s only taken you two weeks to notice? 😈
12 September 2014 at 20:29 #31485@whisht – well, they’re tallying district by district, so regional variations could get … interesting. 😈
Technically, however, Capaldi is the first to use his native Glaswegian accent. He’s the second to use his native Scottish accent. And the third Scot.
Which is, I suspect, where this constant meme got started; somebody said ‘first Glaswegian’ and everyone’s reading it as ‘first Scottish’.
He’s also the official Twelfth Doctor, the actual Thirteenth Doctor, and the fourteenth actor to play the part on television. No wonder he needs a chalkboard to work out the maths. 😀
12 September 2014 at 18:37 #31481@fatmaninabox – Sylvester is a Highlander, not a Glaswegian!
Only just – but Dunoon is the other side of the Firth of Clyde from Glasgow; about an hours drive and a trip on the ferry.
11 September 2014 at 00:03 #31432This year alone, I’ve been introduced by @arbutus to Medieval and Renaissance choral music, from @thekrynoidman and @whisht to German experimental mood music, minimalism, punk/rock fusion and jazz together with some absolute classic favourites like The Who; Queen and Prince.
Meanwhile, I introduce people to Kermit the Frog.
I like to add tone. 😀
10 September 2014 at 00:22 #31387@fatmaninabox – congratulations on passing your Horticulture course.
10 September 2014 at 00:06 #31384@Purofilion – I think there’s some kind of joke we’re not getting. One thought that vaguely occurs to me is that Gatiss was punning on computer power supply units – they’re often ‘Gold’ rated.
The arrow’s a Gold PSU. Hence the power surge.
Yes, I’ll get my coat. 🙂
9 September 2014 at 00:30 #31341@idiotsavon – he was competing with Robin for Clara, but not in a romantic way. More a ‘hey, hang on, I’m the centre of attention around here!’
I think a few people were complaining that the Doctor didn’t seem to be in this episode that much – Clara and Robin were doing the heavy lifting. But that may have been the point; essentially the Doctor arrives in the story of Robin Hood and His Merry Men, a story where he can only ever be the guest star. He’s not even the main guest star – Clara’s playing that role.
And he is miffed. 😉 Throughout. 😀 Especially since he didn’t even think Robin Hood was real.
At least he managed to salve his pride by working out how to stage a revolt against the robots.
8 September 2014 at 21:48 #31334@brewski – while it’s not technically the Doctor, the Master in The End of Time mentions (well, yells) that his own father had estates. The Lord President also refers to the Doctor as ‘Lord Doctor’.
Since there’s also a brother mentioned (in the Third Doctor’s era), I think we can presume that the Master was the heir for his family – whereas the Doctor was the ‘spare’, not the heir. But still probably someone who grew up thinking washing up was for other people. 😉
7 September 2014 at 20:13 #31279@apopheniac – it’s not knowing the story that’s yet another example of Clara’s mind reading abilities. It’s when she looks at Robin and says ‘Why are you so sad’.
Hmm… it seems to be played as when she looks into people’s eyes. And in Deep Breath the Half Faced Man took someone’s eyes, and in Into The Dalek, they went in through the eyestalk.
What’s that old saying? The eyes are the windows to the soul.
7 September 2014 at 09:12 #31236I haven’t time to make a huge amount of comments, but …
… while putting a picture of Patrick Troughton, the actor, on screen was lovely: has anyone noticed that it fits with the ‘I never know where the faces come from’ motif from Deep Breath?
So: bonkers theory. The First Doctor regenerated – and the face that ‘popped up’ from his subconscious was that bloke he’d seen on twentieth century telly playing Robin Hood.
No wonder his older persona is so insistent that Robin Hood can’t be real. He’s stopped believing in heroes (any fool can be a hero). He’s certainly stopped believing in the human folk-hero who impressed him so much, he took his face.
🙂
6 September 2014 at 22:29 #31208Okay, that was great fun. And, First Bonkers Theory Hit with ‘The Promised Land is a real place’. But why is it robots/droids who are heading there?
Off to rewatch.
5 September 2014 at 23:20 #31153@whisht – if Rusty’s crack is the result of Time Lord interference then the Rani is a possibility, but she might be experimenting with the approval of the Time Lords. As I stated somewhere back in the six or seven pages 🙂 it’s really vital, if the Time Lords are to return safely, that there’s some kind of possibility of a negotiated peace. With the Daleks.
Can there be such a thing as a good Dalek? It’s an important question. Especially if you’re a Time Lord who’d like to go home.
The crack does indeed have the similar shape to The Crack, but placed vertically instead of horizontally. It might be metaphorical rather than a plot point. It’s the crack which allows a concept of good and evil to break in to Rusty’s Dalek heart.
It’s the crack in the skin of the Dalek universe, the one signalling the reboot of their world.
5 September 2014 at 19:26 #31145@drdai – thing is, with Moffat’s use of time travel, it’s entirely possible that the Doctor hasn’t yet met his stalker. 😀
As @arbutus says, the only pre-existing character who has ‘stalker’ written all over him is the Master. There’s also a long running (dating from BG Who) subtext that the Master and the Doctor fancy each other; as I’ve said a few times, The End of Time came extremely close to taking the ‘sub’ bit out. I could easily imagine that they were boyfriends; that the Doctor has a definite sexual attraction towards good-looking psychopaths has been very carefully established by – which writer was it? Oh, yeah, Steven Moffat.
HOWEVER. We’re talking about a Head Writer who’s ‘the fan who got the job’. He’s played these games himself; if you want to hide the real identity of a character, there’s no better way than giving a set of clues that seem to point to a pre-existing character … but when turned around, show someone else. 😈
5 September 2014 at 15:37 #31134@janetteb – I can’t imagine Missy as the Rani. My mind just boggles at the Rani ever referring to the Doctor as her ‘boyfriend’. It boggles for quite some time. After it’s finished boggling, I may have to take it for a nice lie down in a darkened room.
Besides, the audio adventures have cast Siobhan Redmond as a regenerated Rani (apparently Kate O’Mara approved) and she’d also be perfectly castable as the Rani on TV. She’d be brilliant, in fact.
Currently I’m running with ‘female Master’ (finally out of the closet, hence the ‘boyfriend’ joke) or ‘entirely new character’ in the line of Mme Kovarian.
3 September 2014 at 18:46 #31034@nightmare – I also answered it on the Into the Dalek forum. Post 30918.
3 September 2014 at 11:01 #31010It seems to be based on genuine Victorian marriages, where the class problem meant that a legal marriage was concealed as a master/servant relationship.The poor bloody woman had to be a servant in her own house.
Unfortunately I can’t remember the name of the play that dealt with such a real-life marriage, but it does make me wonder if Moffat or Gatiss has seen it.
3 September 2014 at 02:00 #30993Question: When did they get cleaned up after the protein bath?!
Yeah, a few people noticed that one over on the Graun. There was a mention of Rusty’s tubes being hot with heat as well as radiation, but he also seemed to be fitted with some kind of internal dry cleaning facility. 🙂
It all had the feel of someone sticking up their hand and saying ‘You have to find a way to get Peter Capaldi’s costume clean and dry as soon as possible because it’ll shrink if we don’t get it cleaned quickly … ‘
Please note that it is usually the costume. Nobody cares about leaving the actors to wander around in dried goop for hours on end, but heaven forbid you ruin the costume. 😉
2 September 2014 at 19:58 #30969The relevant lines are in Day of the Doctor when Clara meets all three Doctors:
Clara: So they’re both you then, yeah?
The Doctor: Yes. You’ve met them before. Don’t you remember?
Clara: A bit. Nice suit.So, yeah, she kind of remembers. Which may well explain the Capaldi Doctor’s digs about Clara’s age this week. Dunno how many Claricals there were, but when you multiply 27 by however many that was, Clara’s quite possibly ‘older’ than the Doctor. And she’s complaining about his grey hairs?
1 September 2014 at 21:23 #30918@devilishrobby – yeah, iPads are a bit of a typing nightmare.
does anyone know how the doctor and Clara got out of the time stream
That one I do know. It was a ‘production problem’, otherwise known as ‘Matt Smith was on crutches’. The script has the Doctor making a dramatic leap for freedom, carrying Clara. On the day, the most Matt could manage was to pick Jenna Coleman up and stand there, trying not to fall over. And I bet that hurt; not to mention Jenna was no doubt thinking ‘please don’t drop me, please don’t drop me.’ 🙂
Apparently Peter Capaldi met Matt Smith for the ‘advice from one Doctor to another’ session during this period. His reaction was something along the lines of ‘This show has left you on crutches and I’m more than twenty years older? Arrggghh!’
Probably explains the chiropractor.
1 September 2014 at 16:09 #30902@devilishrobby – aaand breathe!
Paragraphs. I’m not being a grammar-and-punctuation dalek, I’m being a dyslexic dalek.
Chop up long bits of text into shorter chunks and I’ll love you for it. I’ll also be able to read what you say. 😀
Yeah, Clara is the Capaldi Doctor’s ‘carer’ in very much the same way that Ian and Barbara taught that arrogant, much younger Time Lord to care about more than his own family and people.
1 September 2014 at 16:01 #30898Danny Pink: The assumption is that Danny Pink started at Coal Hill in the January term. Moffat, remember, has been a school teacher, so is aware that teachers can be away on training courses for a few days. So I’m guessing it’s Clara’s first term day back, and he’s only been at the school a couple of days.
That would explain the head/deputy head’s ‘You haven’t met him yet’ to Clara, and that he’s had more than one lesson with the class.
The slap: it’s not domestic violence. The Doctor isn’t Clara’s boyfriend. It’s a punch-up between friends.
That said, Moffat does tend to have all his female characters quite capable of delivering an almighty wallop where needed. I’m kind of with @phaseshift – he’s just told someone whose echo struggled mightily to remain good that Daleks can’t be good. She earned that slap.
But there’s a second reason she needs to slap him. The Daleks. If what the Doctor takes away from this is ‘Daleks can’t ever turn good’, how on earth is the war between the Time Lords and the Daleks ever to end? It can’t, except by one side destroying the other.
Yet he must find that other way if he’s to bring his people back to this universe. Instead, having been given evidence that Daleks are capable of change (if you circumvent the engineering stopping them changing), he continues right on his ‘they can’t change, you can only kill them’ path.
So – not only did Clara ‘earn’ the right to slap the Doctor on that topic, the Doctor ‘earned’ the right to be slapped. It’s not that it’s morally correct, it’s that it’s realistically a situation where she’d wallop the inconsiderate and above all stupid bar-steward.
[There’s a similar situation in Sherlock S3 E1 – again, it’s not that it’s right for one character to thump another, but it is realistic].
1 September 2014 at 12:22 #30890@Purofilon
I wonder if there is something in knowing that Gallifrey still exists, along with his own people, that has allowed this incarnation to be alien again, to be perhaps not so emotionally dependent upon being loved by humanity.
I’d say that’s exactly the thinking behind this. The Eccleston Doctor was a bit PTSD, but the Tennant Doctor and the Smith Doctor were both, basically, elderly orphans in search of a new family. As such, they wanted quite desperately to be likeable. Acceptable. And young.
So those incarnations emphasised everything Time Lords have in common with humans. They were also still running: away from who they were, away from what they’d done and away from their death.
But this one, the Capaldi Doctor, isn’t an orphan and he isn’t running away any more. His people are out there and he has to find them. He also has to find some way of bringing them home without Time War II breaking out. He’s suddenly reverted to middle age, with as many regenerations ahead as there are behind.
Humans are no longer the substitute family. He has to go home. So this incarnation is emphasising everything about him that belongs to his people and his home. Not just the alien-ness; the books and the maths suggest someone who’s trying to regain everything he once studied at the Prydonian Academy. He needs to work stuff out (and admit he has to work it out) – and he’s stopped bothering trying to impress the humans with a bit of quick technobabble.
(Personally, I was always waiting for a Companion to say ‘Doctor, did you just make that up?’ 🙂 )
But the main thing that is worrying him, I think, is that he’s run so far, so fast and for so long that he no longer knows who he is. He spent too much time trying to forget; now he can’t remember. Or perhaps he never knew, never allowed himself to know. Never thought about it; distracted himself with the pretty universe.
But it’s important that he be a good man, or at least be capable of becoming a good man. Because if he, in this most Time Lord incarnation, can be a good man – so can the rest of the Time Lords.
And if the Time Lords cannot be morally good – he can’t bring them back.
1 September 2014 at 00:12 #30864@silverman – if I had to guess, I’d say that the Capaldi Doctor is reacting to finding out that he was willing to kill the Time Lords when there was another way, BUT, he didn’t kill them.
So he’s moving on from the Smith Doctor’s unconscious identification of himself as a ‘monster’ constrained by rules.
Good men don’t need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many.
and
Every lonely monster needs a companion.
Contrition, repentance, reparation. The Doctor’s done all that – and since he’s a Time Lord, his reparation includes undoing the evil deed. Now he’s on to change. If he’s not actually a monster, is he a good man? Can he be a good man?
Is a change from evil to good always possible?
If it is, it has to apply to the Daleks as well. I’ve always rated Davros as the most evil being in the Whoniverse; he created a race of beings that have no free will, can’t do anything but choose evil. Evil as engineering – as we see in this episode, they’re designed so that any flash of insight, any hint that there might be another way, is promptly suppressed, edited out, or – in extreme cases – exterminated. The Daleks cannot be good. Now, that’s real evil.
Here we’ve finally got a Dalek who knows it isn’t a good Dalek, but hates evil. Like Dalek (seriously stoned) Caan, it can’t do good deeds. But it knows who it needs to kill.
But the Doctor, surely, has to be more than that. He has to have some definition for himself that’s a bit bigger than ‘whatever I am, I’m NOT a Dalek.’
He has to be more than someone who knows who he needs to kill.
31 August 2014 at 23:45 #30860@fonsini – I suspect I have considerably more experience with the reality of terrorism than you do.
You need to study more history; if you did you would know that – until 2005 – most terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom were carried out by white people.
As to what Mr Foley did or did not say before he was murdered: being forced to make propaganda statements, possibly under the threat of a fellow prisoner being murdered if you don’t comply, is so common that training for capture includes ‘I am being coerced’ signals.
But to use his coercion and murder for your own propaganda; you should be ashamed.
31 August 2014 at 22:07 #30846@jimmyp – if Danny Pink’s the Master, he’s really, really upset about what he’s done. Which would be fun, in keeping with this episode’s ‘change is always possible’ theme, and a bit of a different approach to the Master’s character. 😉
By the way, anyone noticed that there’s yet another bit of evidence for Clara’s unconscious telepathy/empathy? She knows that Danny kills people then cries about it afterwards – without anyone telling her.
31 August 2014 at 21:17 #30835@scaryb – agreed. Time Lords, basically, seem to be trained in utilitarian ethics. What seems to be happening post Day of The Doctor is that the Doctor’s much more aware that the system of ethics he’s been taught isn’t necessarily the best one.
Bonkers theory alert: the Doctor’s not Clara’s boyfriend. He’s her student. Hence his references to ‘do I pay you?’ and ‘you need a raise’.
31 August 2014 at 20:52 #30816@fonsini – far be it from me to interrupt your trolling with mere facts, but Doctor Who’s Coal Hill School (as any fule kno) is in Shoreditch, and has been since 1963.
The ethnic makeup shown is that of Shoreditch in 2014. Someone did their research (unlike you) and knows, for example, that the Muslim and Sikh pupils would be a small minority, that most pupils would be white (and you’d have no idea where they came from until they speak), that about a third would be ethnically Afro-Caribbean or mixed race and that there’d certainly be a couple of ethnic Chinese kids in there.
As to Clara immediately chasing Danny – you need to take your racist blinkers off, mate. Danny Pink is quite stunningly good looking; if single, he’d need to beat any unattached members of staff off with a club. It’s entirely realistic that both the School Secretary and a teacher would be angling for a date on his first day. You’d need to get in there fast…
31 August 2014 at 19:31 #30799I’d agree that the Doctor uses Ross’s death in a very utilitarian way. However, Moffat has previously delivered a resounding ‘No!’ on utilitarian ethics for the Doctor – in The Day of The Doctor.
The difference with Ross is that it wasn’t the Doctor’s fault he dies – he just can’t save him. However, what he could have done was admitted that he couldn’t save him and then say ‘but you can still help save us’. Then chucked him the spare battery (or whatever it was). That would’ve changed his death from being a means to an end into something where Ross has that dreaded word ‘agency’.
That the Doctor doesn’t automatically do that shows that he isn’t a good man – yet. At least, not in my view. I have a deep dislike of utilitarian ethics. 😉
31 August 2014 at 13:09 #30763@wolfweed – 5.2 million against Simon Cowell with a 24% live audience share is fine. Better than fine, in fact.
If you want some comparison, there’s a ratings accumulator showing initial-overnight versus final for Series 7 at Doctor Who TV. As they say, the figures don’t include iPlayer. They also don’t include the overseas showings of Doctor Who.
In these days of time shifting and iPlayer, Doctor Who will never beat a popular live voting show on the overnights; households will pick the X Factor live and watch Doctor Who later. The BBC knows that – they just want to schedule a show that won’t embarrass them with less than 3 million viewers.
Which is what the BBC shows immediately before and after Doctor Who got. Even Casualty and Match of the Day got less than 4 million viewers.
🙂
31 August 2014 at 09:26 #30736@cpgolfer – as a few other people have pointed out, the bias against the military comes from The Doctor, not the writers.
I don’t know if they’re going to emphasise it in other episodes, but this Doctor behaves like an ex-soldier in a few places in Into the Dalek. And yet, he’s being specifically employed as a Doctor. But he priorities ‘mission over personnel’ when he throws the squaddie the tracer. Solid military thinking – if saving your soldier will imperil the mission, you don’t do it. You leave them to die. But that’s not what a Doctor would do – a Doctor would isolate the patient and then try to save them.
Equally, the ‘he’s on top if you’d like to say a few words’ is very much squaddie humour. Death in battle tends to be on the messy side and the British Army has a lot of black humour about it.
In many ways Journey is playing the young, idealistic officer and the Doctor the old sweat. I suspect the reason he doesn’t take her with him is that she makes him fall back into that role. He doesn’t need her (or any former soldier), he needs Clara. As he implies a few times in the episode, Clara’s there to do a job. She’s not ‘the assistant’. She’s there to remind him to care.
31 August 2014 at 00:32 #30717Oh, by the way, has everyone noticed that the rebel ship was the Aristotle?
Marcus Aurelius last week and in the 50th, now Aristotle. Both, of course, discuss the nature of a ‘good man’.
30 August 2014 at 23:26 #30709@pedant – I thought the ‘he might be a duplicate’ was a reference to the Dalekised humans from Series 7.
But, having mulled it over, I think it’s another hint in the direction of ‘I’ve seen this face before.’ If Kai Blue (Journey’s brother) does turn out to be a physical duplicate of Danny Pink, it might be part of that storyline.
Alternatively, Danny Pink is also a Claricle. A Dannicle? A Pinkicle?
[Coat. Will get.] 😀
30 August 2014 at 23:14 #30708@scaryb – it’s at 0:33 – Gretchen gives her full name as Gretchen Alison Carlisle.
Quite a few people over at the Graun speculating that Journey’s dead brother is Danny Pink. They certainly did blur and shadow his face as much as they could, but if it’s not Samuel Anderson playing the brother, they’ve picked an actor who looks very like him.
30 August 2014 at 21:31 #30691Carlisle again
What is it with Cumbria? Is it just some running Moffat gag to give us something to obsess over?
[edit: I note that the River Eden runs through Cumbria]
30 August 2014 at 20:28 #30674I really enjoyed that. Bits of it definitely tapped into my ‘creepy’ brain-centres. 😉
And a lot to think about as well. They seem to have avoided having a permanently good Dalek, but have left open the question of whether Daleks could indeed, become good. Especially with the idea that ‘The Doctor’ was created by that 50 year old story, ‘The Mutants’. And that chilling final judgement (which I think we also heard in Asylum of the Daleks):
You would make a good Dalek
Which can be read on so many levels…
30 August 2014 at 18:45 #30667@purofilion – no, I was just awake. Blame Doctor Who Legacy. 😉
The Claricles are definitely shown as growing up – we had a quick shot of a Victorian child-Clara as well as the child Clara who the Doctor meets. The weird thing is that the Victorian Mum is played by the same actress who plays Clara-from-Blackpool’s Mum.
Apparently being scattered in a Time Lord’s time-stream doesn’t just result in hundreds of copies of you, it also results in hundreds of copies of your Mum. Who seems to know this at some level: the ‘I will always find you’ scene in Rings of Akhatan.
Let’s just say that I don’t think Clara’s Impossible Girl status is resolved; that’s why we were reminded of the nickname in Deep Breath.
30 August 2014 at 18:28 #30665@silverman – the difference between BG Companions and AG Companions makes perfect sense in-story. Because the Before Gap Companions are basically Before Time War Companions and the After Gap Companions are the After Time War Companions.
And while the Before Time War Doctor is happy enough travelling with any pretty young woman who happens to wander into his TARDIS (in a pinch, he’s okay with pretty young men, but he clearly prefers the women), the After Time War Doctor is clearly looking for someone at least potentially exceptional. For humans, that is. 😉
Some of the Before Time War Companions were ‘special’ – Sarah Jane, quite capable of saving the world by herself, is a good example. Romana – a Time Lady who, rumour has it, later became President of Gallifrey. I’d rate Barbara Wright as pretty damn extraordinary – Clara is being positioned, in many ways, as her ‘heir’.
Others were positioned as ‘special’ before they stepped on board. Zoe was a mathematical genius, as was Adric (okay, he didn’t work as well as Zoe).
But the primary difference is that the AG Doctor chooses his Companions far more than the BG one ever did.
30 August 2014 at 04:37 #30636@everyone – :re Tasha not aging?
::cough:: Liz Ten ::cough, cough::
😉28 August 2014 at 22:23 #30529@craig – best of luck, and if the locals tell you the weather is likely to change for the worse, take their advice. 🙂
28 August 2014 at 18:14 #30519@silverman – why isn’t the giant dinosaur in the history books? Because it’s only Episode 1.
I really doubt that, having provided an explanation for the Giant Stompy Robot, we’re not going to get some kind of explanation about Giant Lonely Dinosaur. But Moffat has the whole of S8 and S9 before he’s got to explain it.
26 August 2014 at 22:36 #30348something the doctor doesn’t think HE can do, or could/would choose to do, himself? or perhaps that he wouldn’t be admitted to any heaven, because of his chequered past?
From what we know of Time Lords, they think religion is a very low class sort of thing. So I suspect the Doctor’s default position is ‘there is no afterlife’.
As I said somewhere earlier, I think this may turn out to be a case of the Doctor jumping to conclusions. There’s some kind of science fiction-y, possibly virtual Promised Land which is also an afterlife.
26 August 2014 at 10:19 #30306@geoffers – not a problem. As I said, it wasn’t just you. 😉
If they did several of Missy’s scenes in that location, she could well be dropped into quite a few episodes. A location shoot for one day, no costume changes – think how many inserts they managed with Mme Kovarian.
26 August 2014 at 09:20 #30303Could I make a request please?
ANY references to spoilers should stay in the Spoilers forums. That includes ‘I think/don’t think this because of spoilers’. @geoffers, I’m not getting at you specifically; you’re not the only person to do this, just the latest.
It’s no bloomin’ good not mentioning what the spoiler actually is if you promptly tell us all the theory is due to spoilers/you don’t believe the theory because of spoilers/the spoilers hint at…
We all know that the first five episodes are already out there – plus quite a few location photos – and it really ruins the game for people when someone plays the trump card of ‘there’s a spoiler that shows something different.’
Remember peeps: for a lot of us, the fun is in the speculation. Being right is just a pleasant bonus.
And generally a bit of a surprise. Which I’d like to keep as a surprise. 🙂
25 August 2014 at 22:37 #30270@zeitgeis – no, it was custard that the Smith Doctor dunked his fish fingers in. Not the sort of custard that makes a pudding; it was the sort of custard you put on pudding.
25 August 2014 at 21:27 #30258@jimthefish – and it shows what an excellent actor Peter Capaldi is, as well. Not that Matt Smith was any slouch, by the time he’d finished his run, but Capaldi shows that he’s just realised it applies to both of them with one fleeting change of expression.
25 August 2014 at 21:05 #30252@arkleseizure – yes, I’d agree that the episode does display Moffat’s ‘learn to use iPlayer!’ tendencies to the full. I enjoyed it in the cinema, but it really was so much better on the second viewing.
25 August 2014 at 19:47 #30232@craig – it wouldn’t surprise me. If you remember, Torchwood had to switch US networks because the first one didn’t want a bisexual lead.
In the case of Torchwood, that was a non-negotiable and they moved network. In the case of Doctor Who, I imagine they’d be more prepared to make cuts as appropriate. After all, the BBC used to cut Buffy when they broadcast it pre-watershed.
In the UK the kiss was, just barely, pre-watershed. It would probably come under the ‘gentle transition to adult material’ remit. It’s also explicable as, errr, mouth to mouth for parents who really get hot under the collar about such things. 😉
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