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16 November 2014 at 11:38 #35673
My complaint is that whenever she was asked if the Doctor was to return to help or was a good man, she was indecisive.
No, she is precise – she eschews the glib and tries to give a meaningful answer. And that is why he is so ready to forgive her total betrayal.
16 November 2014 at 11:36 #35671If I knew her in real life, I would probably be frequently frustrated and want to give her a good shake sometimes!
Which is pretty much the worst thing you can do with an addict 😉
15 November 2014 at 10:55 #35584She would always sat she doesn’t know or flat out dismissal
So not actually badmouthing then
And at the end of Deep Breath her answer was (paraphrasing) “I don’t know… but you try to be”. This sometime after she had displayed absolutely faith that he would be behind her.
She speaks to him as only a friend can – candidly and without awe.
15 November 2014 at 01:27 #35569When did she bad mouth him?
15 November 2014 at 00:57 #35566Nope. Titles can’t be copyrighted.
BUT you may (and almost certainly are) in breach of trademark. But the BBC would have to prove harm for any suit to be worthwhile. Hence fan sites are invariably OK.
Edit: Tardis is a BBC trademark, so I presume Who is too
Bonus fact: It is not JK Rowling, but Warner Entertainment that owns all Harry Potter trademarks.
14 November 2014 at 22:23 #35555LindaLee’s (sister’s) review, complete with explanation for the delay to this and the review of Death in Heaven
14 November 2014 at 09:08 #35526(and it is a species of troll) – )
I think “thundering bellend” pretty much covers it.
13 November 2014 at 00:27 #35413Indeed. Who would think watching a load of uber-nerds and geeks would be so enthralling?
(Especially with the little “uh-oh” postscript.
Personally, I think it is nothing to do with a bounce, but that they found these fellas. Which also explains a certain episode…
Which leads inevitably to this. If you do one thing today, click this link
13 November 2014 at 00:21 #35412And also
9. I loved the BG Brigadier, but I think there would need to be a genuine narrative rationale to bring the cyber-Brig back.
Agree with @blenkinsopthebrave – I think Moff saw a nice way to do a wonderful in-story tribute the the Brig’s strength of character. But I also think it was strictly a one-off, as it should be.
13 November 2014 at 00:17 #35411If the dead remain connected to their bodies, and can feel cremation or the incisions of researchers,
We only have Seb’s and Chang’s word for that – and nothing they say can be trusted.
11 November 2014 at 15:55 #35351You all need to get over to iPlayer and listen to the last half hour or so of 5Live’s Afternoon Edition from today, when available.
Doctor Who review with added Michelle Gomez and a very amusing (and good natured) dressing down for critic Kevin Bridges. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04kfzpy
11 November 2014 at 01:31 #35305A final random thought, alluded to way upthread but worth reiterating in the light of discussion.
The realness of the loss, the meaningfulness must be seen through the lens of The Soldiers Promise.
Empty loss, fake loss would have been frankly insulting on this, of all, weekends.
(Random coincidental trivia: this weekend gone, in 1942, saw Axis forces break and then get routed at the conclusion of the Battle of El Alamein. What Churchill called The End of the Beginning.)
11 November 2014 at 00:16 #35299Oh, and on a random thought note: It might actually be more interesting for Osgood to be dead, but Zygon!Osgood to end up as a companion.
11 November 2014 at 00:14 #35298I have read some of the comments elsewhere about this season and I am astounded how many have disliked it- some intensely
If you look at the Guardian blog, it is not much more than a dozen individuals who swarm it after each episode and very atypical. The thing with relentless negativity is that positivity just wanders off and finds somewhere more accommodating. This of course given an entirely false imbalance to place like the Guardian.
Consider the sheer percentage of the posts on the Gruan that are made by a single poster: NeedsToBeSaid (formerly Truckles (formerly Alexander)).
10 November 2014 at 23:41 #35294I guess I’m just saying, please don’t lump me in with the ARSE’s
Nobody is, and I certainly wouldn’t want you to get that impression. It’s the difference between seeing Osgoods murder as hard (tough/ brutal/ banal) and WORST EVAH INSULT TO TEH FANZ.
10 November 2014 at 22:27 #3528910 November 2014 at 21:52 #35283In fact, I have not been able to even give it a second viewing yet, as a result of my emotional response.
It took me a while as well.
The response to this one was…hmmm….not visceral….fundamental.
Something deep about that story and the people in it, but also about storytelling. I think that may be why I am so adamant about the “toll” being essential. But it is tough and deep, not in a S5 metaphorical way (as unutterably wonderful as that was), but direct and real. Someone we expected to get to spend time with, to get to know….isn’t any more.
Maybe that why the ARSEites on the Graun have reacted so. They don’t want literal truth in their stories. Because it hurts and they can’t cope having no blankie.
10 November 2014 at 18:10 #35266I can’t recall the number (he has loads) but it is “Go are dark as you dare, put your characters through hell and leave them bereft. But for god’s sake tell a joke at the end”.
(I was more bereft by the other death, since we knew less about him and I suspect the was a truly dark back-story)
10 November 2014 at 17:50 #35261Don’t get me wrong, it was an excellent episode. But for me, Moffat’s progression has not been from “Everybody lives” to “Osgood dies” but more like from “Everybody lives” to “NO HAPPY ENDINGS FOR ANYONE”.
That rather begs the question that the story has ended.
(oh and as well as underlining this, given the sombre tone I would say Santa’s cameo was absolutely essential for the younger viewers. Plus, I thought it was a hoot and Whedons nth rule in action)
10 November 2014 at 14:09 #35251Of course Missy was lying. Her lips were moving and sounds were coming out.
10 November 2014 at 02:28 #35217nah, don’t care how it was dressed up, it was a lazy way of getting an inconvenient prop out of the way so that Kirk could emote about his son (but drifting a tad too far OT for here methinks).
10 November 2014 at 01:37 #35215I think the Missy killing was intentionally ambiguous. A beam from the direction of The Brig certainly hit here, but that doesn’t mean she didn’t teleport in the nick of time. And let’s face it, The Master has form for not actually dying.
I think your Osgood point is a bit of a stretch. I reckon the Zygon!Osgood escape route is more likely (and I think the idea that an old enemy has become a trusted…partner? ally? … would be interesting ground to explore (with the Silurians it was at a more individual level).
And may I compliment you on an outstanding debut bonkers theory. If Moff uses it, send him an invoice.
10 November 2014 at 00:03 #35212Thing is, this is a fundamental point about storytelling. Success must not only have a toll, but have a meaningful toll.
Many moons ago in the days before the Interwebz (in fact, on CompuServe), I had a rather furious argument with a second rate American SF writer (can’t recall which) about the destruction of the USS Grissom in Star Trek: The Search for Spock. Now that was an act of mass murder that was done for purely plot reasons. It told us nothing about the Klingons that we didn’t already know. But the Grissom had served this purpose and it was actually full-on bona fide lazy writing that used up 400 red shirts, every one of whom was deemed lesser than Kirk’s son. My correspondent might have been second rate, but I had Joan D Vinge on my side.
I’m not a fan of gratuitous slaughter, outside The Terminator franchise, but evil and/or insane characters have to be show to be evil and/or insane.
But the other reason is that I am vehemently opposed to the fetishisation of evil.
And here I am looking most strongly at the brainless shippers who think Darling Spikey-wikey was just wubbley. No, Spike was evil because it was in his very nature – no matter how he resisted, his understanding of love would be an evil, twisted and soulless understanding and would always end as it did on the on the bathroom floor of the Summers house. And it was only when he got his soul that he was even capable of redemption (although that didn’t mean he was an especially nice person, but that’s fine).
So you have a wonderful, charismatic actor like Michelle Gomez (or James Marsters) and you just know the moist 15-year-olds (of all ages and gender identities) will be squeeing over her and say how wonderful she is and how she’s misunderstood and just needs to be loved.
No.
She is insanely evil and this absolutely needs to be shown in a meaningful way that will leave the viewer in no doubt.
9 November 2014 at 19:32 #35169I didn’t think the Brig shot Missy. It was the same effect as Missy’s little handheld device made, and I assumed that the Doctor did in fact shoot her. I thought the Brig was just pointing out Kate’s presence in the graveyard. But I may have missed something.
No, a blue bolt came from behind and to the right of the Doctor.
9 November 2014 at 16:40 #35153Danny’s death baffles me a bit, (mostly because of Orson) so hopefully that will get explained in Season 9.
I suspect it will be somewhat sooner than that.
Pretty much my only complaint about this entire episode is Osgood dying, yes I understand it was for dramatic storytelling, but they could’ve easily had it be someone we didn’t recognize so that it didn’t deliver quite as harsh a blow
No. Absolutely not. It had to be someone the fans had invested in, not a red shirt.
Clara has been a fantastic companion, to me the greatest,
She has been a revelation. Season 5 Amy will always have a special place for me, because that season spoke to me at a very personal level, but Jenna Coleman has been wonderful and has gone from strength to strength throughout her tenure.
9 November 2014 at 14:24 #35144I don’t know how many different types of awesome there are, but this is all of them
9 November 2014 at 13:58 #35142Four wives:
– Queen Elizabeth (Dead)
– River Song (Dead?)
– Susan’s mother. (?)
– Unknown. (?)Marilyn Monroe.
Both love or a sense of duty require emotion…which Danny supposedly no long had…
Yes. It is almost as if the strength of human will saw him through, just as it did with Dalekised Oswin. And it is not a new Who trope:
“Homo sapiens. What an inventive, invincible species. It’s only a few million years since they crawled up out of the mud and learned to walk. Puny, defenceless bipeds. They’ve survived flood, famine and plague. They’ve survived cosmic wars and holocausts. And now, here they are, out among the stars, waiting to begin a new life. Ready to outsit eternity. They’re indomitable.
You can look that one up.
@herisson and others
It is a trivial matter, once Clara and the Doctor start to speak truth to each other and can finally and properly go their separate ways on good terms, for Clara to say “Doctor, I have one last favour. I need to take a boy home”. Time machine, people.
9 November 2014 at 12:48 #35137The “love conquers all” theme has been overdone.
Love didn’t conquer all, Danny’s sense of duty did (emphasised with the Brigadier coda).
It’s almost as if the story was show on Remembrance Weekend.
The Master’s bracelet can call someone back from the afterlife?
I’m guessing you missed the fact that the afterlife was a great big con.
9 November 2014 at 12:03 #35131So – Christmas episode coming up.
Possibly pregnant Clara.
There’s no way that could cause offence.
9 November 2014 at 00:49 #35085I wouldn’t hold your breath!
@all
Consider Moffat’s journey from “Everybody lives” to “Osgood doesn’t”.
9 November 2014 at 00:12 #35080we never did find out who was under the bed sheet in young Dannys room
That was the point of the episode. Not everything is a whodunnit. Thank gawd.
8 November 2014 at 23:41 #35073@Naanbreadd
The dead have already been burried, but they rise as cyber men, so we’re they burried as cyber men? Were they dug up?
As @phaseshift says the clouds were nano clouds – sort of anti-nice-tree-thingies – and it was spelt out that the tiniest part of cyberman can start conversion.
8 November 2014 at 23:06 #35065OI! @danmartinuk – go back and edit your Graun piece. You don’t seem to have noticed that the Master lied about Gallifrey.
8 November 2014 at 21:47 #35046I really, really hope that they get Michelle Gomez back; she’s fantastic.
But hopefully sparingly. I remember 10 year old me being deeply pissed off when they recast the Master after Delgado’s death. I had started to feel a sense of “Oh No. It’s The Master again.” And yes, grown up me knows how unworthy that is.
But I want to see the Zarbies back first. Or the Quarks.
Or, you know. New stuff.
I go where the evidence leads.
8 November 2014 at 21:40 #35041But I will never forgive him pissing on the spoilerphobe fans by inserting the Christmas preview in the middle of the closing credits.
Oh for crying out load. Moffat has repeatedly made it clear that nothing released through official channels is a spoiler. Indeed, as this ep showed, it is more often misdirection.
8 November 2014 at 21:38 #35039Is Missy truly dead?
Probably not – the visual effect made it nicely ambiguous, but either way the Brigadier got her out of the way and saved the Doctor’s soul.
Is Gallifrey truly back?
No. As was clearly shown, Missy lied. And then the Doctor lied to Clara as Clara lied to him.
8 November 2014 at 21:23 #35034although I didn’t see the need in killing off Osgood
Then you do not know enough about storytelling. It is a fundamental of good storytelling that victory has a cost.
Especially on this, of all weekends.8 November 2014 at 21:03 #35025Brain
‘splody
Osgood dead.
Brigadier.
Brain overload.
BOOOOM!
8 November 2014 at 00:36 #34974And Moffat for creating the characters of ‘Vastra and Jenny’ (Again sorry, but I hate them, you’re free to have your opinion though.)
It is worth noting that Vastra and Jenny came back very much through popular demand (as did Strax). Like River Song they were conceived as one-offs.
Of course, popular demand isn’t necessarily a good reason to bring back a character, but the wise showrunner knows when to pander (the great showrunners know when not to as well).
8 November 2014 at 00:27 #34973@burrunjor
First, don’t use URL shorteners for links. If I can’t see where the link is going, I ain’t clicking it (it doesn’t work becuase you have the http bit in twice). Also: punctuation helps readability.
would you want the female doctor to be like this
Never save the day in her season finales its always her male companions Rory, Clarence, Martin or Donald, get stuffed in a bird cage, stand at the side whilst Rory destroys the Daleks and says “I want you safe my Doctor”, have Donald get all of her powers and use them better than her, be forced to marry her mad stalker, have Clarence be retconned into being the hero in every single story.
Is that real how you see female heroes? Have you never seen a single episode of Buffy? Or Xena? Or Charmed? Or Homeland? All of those feature a strong – powerful, indeed – female lead that builds a strong and mixed gender team around her. Have you really missed this as one of the most powerful and important developments in TV storytelling – and genre storytelling in particular – of the past 15 years?
Are you really that ignorant, or are you just a witless troll?
I have no strong feelings about whether the Doctor should be female – I can think of perfectly sound story-telling reasons why it would be tricky that are nothing to do with gender stereotypes that were out of date before Glenn Close boiled her first bunny.
But I really wouldn’t mind Gina Bellman having a crack at it (few female actors do “other-worldly” like her, she has a voice like warmed mead and she is hot enough that it would take all of three seconds for the wailing fanboys to get the fuck over it and forget that The Doctor was ever a man – and, of course, she is great mates with Moff)
7 November 2014 at 15:29 #349307 November 2014 at 15:24 #34929The Amazing Time Machine. Turns out Tardis technology is pretty much spot on 😉
6 November 2014 at 16:50 #34870I don’t think we can trust anything Seb says.
5 November 2014 at 20:33 #34808As has been noted before, it Who isn’t giving 7-year-olds nightmares, it isn’t doing its job.
My 14 year old nephew has still not been able to watch Waters of Mars – and when he tried a week or two back, his 7 year old sister put her hands over the eyes for the scary bits (unbidden, obv).
5 November 2014 at 00:22 #34761“Any people who knew they could change sex at will would not choose a name like Susan for their child?”
Clearly somebody who is not familiars with the oeuvre of Johnny Cash.
Oh, that would make such a delightful episode…
I think the consensus is that that is a very significant question (or rather set of questions).
Families need pregnancy and there is a rich seam to mine from Amy-Rory > River, River-Doctor > Unknown(1), Unknown-Unknown > Susan
(1) River had the same “feeling sickness” that Amy did in Impossible Astronaut, but it was dismissed as a side-efect of the Silence. But later it turned out Amy was up the space-timey duff….
Or, of course, it could be dealing with Susan that The Doctor and the Master fell out over, causing the Doctor to leg it ;).
Start Your Bonkers theorising.
Er…continue your etc.
4 November 2014 at 16:14 #34739@ all
Oh, this is just glorious. All the ARSE you need in one handy place.
4 November 2014 at 00:52 #34702Oh, not the same car. As you were.
4 November 2014 at 00:37 #34698Random-ish observation that I don’t think has been picked up and might inform the “dream state” theory.
When they do the swirly camera switch from the accident scene to the memorial wall, although Clara’s clothes change, the silver hatchback driving past doesn’t. It appears to the the one that totalled Danny.
3 November 2014 at 19:58 #34667how does the Master even know that the Doctor has survived and been given a new cycle
He travel to Earth and waited for about 5 minutes. The Doctor was bound to turn up.
3 November 2014 at 19:46 #34663Very clever device by Tony Jordan in The Passing Bells tonight.
Until you see them in uniform it is impossible to tell which teenager lying about his age is the German and which is the English lad. Achieved by the simple device of not using cod German accents.
Many on Twitter seem to have missed this. Shocker. Don’t Tweet and watch, ‘cos if you are tweeting you ain’t watching.
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