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1 October 2013 at 20:07 #17747
@craig @Shazzbot
I get the “span” thing occasionally, but usually only if I cut and paste from a Word doc. I just delete it
1 October 2013 at 12:24 #17725So – theories for the 50th…?
I’m sticking my neck out, given Moffat’s track record of “jumping” and expecting us to keep up – I reckon the 50th will start clear of the timestream and away from Trenzalore. The Dr and Clara travel, or are taken, back to the Time War so that Eleven can fix/atone for whatever it was HurtDr – who is either older 8 or between 8 and 9 – did in that time. He also has to reclaim his future, and prevent the older Eleven (and his Tardis) dying at Trenzalore – cos there were definitely no future Doctors in the timestream, not even Capaldi (Clara said she saw “all eleven” faces. She didn’t see HurtDr because he was “boxed off” in the Dr’s mind, and only bubbled up when the timestream started disintegrating due to the GI, then Clara, then the Dr himself, all jumping in and fiddling with it).
New(?) theory – the zygons are behind it all! They manipulated the TimeLords and the Daleks to go to war with each other so they could take over the universe.
Clara turns out to be the Dr’s daughter (part of the 3-female Fates-like group – with River and Amy – which protects him (with Amy being the granny 😉 ))
OK, knock me down in flames, but lets get theorising ;-D
@blenkinsopthebrave Feel free to add Canton to the mix, anywhere you like.
1 October 2013 at 12:00 #17723@danmartinuk @Shazzbot @craig
Thanks for nice comments Dan. This forum is very much the wayward offspring of your Graun blog 😉 So are Shazz and Craig summarising theories or do you need someone to do that? I think most can be treated as collective efforts of the forum hive-mind except @juniperfish‘s red/blue bow tie and Isis myth theories, @bluesqueakpip‘s “all the numbers tie in with relevant dates in Who history” theory and @blenkinsopthebrave‘s “breaking the 4th wall with Kennedy assassination, including the return of Canton” theory. Sadly my dalekised Dr theory has been booted whimpering into the reject pile since Nightmare in Silver 🙁
30 September 2013 at 08:51 #17704More on the BFI screenings – apologies if this has been posted before. Panel with Sophie and Sylvester – lovely chemistry between them. Interesting how much input Sylvester had in scripting (gotta love him!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ9Q4Y37RoY&feature=c4-overview&list=UUjhmzXTpOMxUNNL5dsGSAog
30 September 2013 at 08:26 #17703Congrats to Julie Gardner on winning the Sian Phillips Award at the Welsh Baftas (apparently she flew in from LA especially for it)
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/film-tv/stars-come-out-shine-michael-6111756
30 September 2013 at 08:18 #17702@fatmaninabox Now see what you’ve started! Just wasted the last 15 mins trawling twitter! But found this, summary of the panel interview from the weekend’s BFI screening, which you mention above – it’s worth clicking onthe link to see DT’s impressive new thatch and ponytail!!!
30 September 2013 at 08:01 #17701Welcome to the wacky world of Twitter!
As @craig says, it can be good for breaking news etc, depends who you follow. Caution – there’s a helluva lot of Who accounts out there, and there’s a lot of fake ones for celebs. If they’re a known personality and it’s authentic account, it will have a little blue tick next to the name. DT doesn’t have an official account, neither do Matt or Capaldi.
Gatiss’s one is good – he tweets intermittently, Linehan is fun too. I also like Stephen Fry https://twitter.com/stephenfry. Official Dr Who tweets – https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho
I’ve tweeted a few things to Mark Gatiss but never got a response. Anyone with more than 10k followers is likely to get so many @ tweets, they’re unlikely to notice individual ones or new followers, but it depends on timing as well. I live in hope!
Anyone with 0 followers and 0 following is likely to be a troll, esp if they tweet you a link. Don’t click and report for spam immediately.
Response to your questions
a) unlikely but depends how you use it
b) technically yes but depends how you use it
c) only if you announce it with a picture of a cute kitty 🙂
30 September 2013 at 07:36 #17700@rob That’s an interesting idea re imprinting faces and @craig I like your theory that he takes something from his previous incarnation into the next (with the Amelia effect mitigating the darkness at the end of Ten)
Moffat’s comment: “where do all the faces come from?” and rules out randomly generated. Where indeed?!
30 September 2013 at 07:14 #17699Who is not the only BBC show and, although it is very important to the BBC it is not the only important thing
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
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30 September 2013 at 07:14 #17698Thanks for the interview link – that’s a really nice chat with Stephen (Love his socks – wonder if it was filmed in his house…). He looks a bit wary to start with, but then he warms up to it.
Couple of points – I love that there’s an RTD theory to cover for 2 Peter Capaldis in the universe, although now there’s presumably 3 of them! But I’m gutted that my pet he’s-chameleon-arched theory is knocked out the ball park though 🙁 Maybe the Torchwood Capaldi was thrown back in time by a weeping angel.
Also loved his explanation for why we see a lot of earth-based adventures, how the tardis navigates (yay! got that one right 🙂 ) and that the sonic has a “plot important inhibitor”. As @bluesqueakpip mentioned it’s nice that RTD keeps in touch (was he not looking after a sick partner for a while?); it’s also nice to have it confirmed that they really do think through all the bonkers stuff, well some of it at least.
29 September 2013 at 15:46 #17685@Shazzbot Schedule for the old episodes (thanks to XAD4 for posting) –
Sorry, I should read things more closely – I was confused cos it’s in Radio Times – it’s on Watch (2pm, Sats and Sundays, 12 Oct – 16 Nov)
(is the Doctors Revisited the same as the clips that @craig‘s been diligently unearthing and posting?)
The BBC schedule here – http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/articles/The-Day-of-the-Doctor-50th-Anniversary-Special-Update
Now where did I read the BBC will be screening the remastered An Unearthly Child…?
29 September 2013 at 13:48 #17676Thanks for the comments on Atlantis and Shield – I’ll give them a shot.
I’m really enjoying Orphan Black, it’s slowish pace to start, but it’s building and epi 3 answers a few questions and sets up several more. Depends how it develops eg if they pursue the nature/nurture theme. I like the fact that Sarah’s character is morally ambivalent, but I think our view of her may change as we get to know her. When we first meet her in epi 1 she’s a character at a crossroads; she’s obv made bad choices in the past, but the deck may also have been (deliberately?) stacked against her. Fee’s gaining a bit more depth as it goes on, but I actually quite liked him. For all his flaws he’s set up as the go-to person if you’re in trouble, so he has to have something going for him.
Agree re Buffy – and all new series (inc introducing new Doctors) – usually takes at least the first season to really bed in. Shame about the pressures put on new series to perform well from the starting blocks. Incidentally, Dr Who gets a higher rating (8.7) on imdb than Buffy (8) 🙂
I forgot about Magnum PI, was never a regular, but liked the odd dip into it.
29 September 2013 at 13:00 #17671On the subject of old episodes – particularly looking forward to watching the remastered Unearthly Child on 12th Oct and discussing it with you – not so many of us on here remember it from first time around. Hope you’re back posting by then, really missing you on here.
29 September 2013 at 12:55 #17670On the subject of being underwhelmed and publicity drive generally –
For the general public, 2 months is a good time-scale to pace a campaign – more than that and they get “blind” to it, or fed up with it. And as someone pointed out upstream, the BBC usually do 1 month campaigns, so our fav programme is getting twice as much as usual.
They already use the social networks, and they know the fans will keep the momentum going for themselves – they kept it going throughout the 16 year gap FFS, and that was preFacebook and Twitter. From a budgeting point of view you can see the marketing dept making the decision not to budget too much for DW as a lot of it gets covered by fans anyway (which is the ultimate in marketing) – just throw them a photo or a news crumb every now and then, and watch it run. Marketing heaven 🙂
@phaseshift re the hashtag – doesn’t matter if everyone else hijacks it for their own cause – the important thing about hashtags is to get them trending, then they get more clicks and attention. So the more people that use it the better. It’s good to have a dedicated one, otherwise you split the effect.
So long as they’ve learned lessons from the leaks earlier this year, I’ll be happy.
The biggest cause of ARSE-iness for me is the lack of new stories this year so we’ve had over 6 months to chew over the events of 7.2, with no official explanation of why series 8 isn’t running till 2014. It may very well be budget, it may be production schedules for the 50th, inc Matt’s non-availability for part of the year, it may be down to casting the new Dr and developing his character and story. But we don’t know, and given the BBC’s track record with DW, rumours and paranoia kick in fast, especially on the interwebs.
Meanwhile I’m excited about a proper new trailer, maybe some tardisodes as well…? And I’m VERY excited about screening the old episodes – especially as they’ve considerately avoided the ones we’ve been watching on here 🙂
28 September 2013 at 16:40 #17637Thoughts on CAF’s interview (and thanks for ever-vigilant link-posting @Shazzbot) – “forfever is a long time”… TV was still very young way back then and actors have (just occasionally!) been known to exaggerate (looking at you Mr H, and you CAF!)
@jimthefish Re trailer – You BIG cynic you! I think it’s very unlikely that they wouldn’t plan to release a trailer – the marketing demons would demand it if nothing else. Not convinced about @bluesqueakpip‘s point about not filming it earlier as “ there’s something or someone in it that they couldn’t film until the Christmas Special filming was underway” or maybe I just don’t get it. Surely the trailer is put together from existing footage from the 50th?
And a quick wave to @ardaraith – good to see you back 🙂
27 September 2013 at 23:02 #17615@wolfweed‘s link to Rubbertoe – that’s AMAZING stuff! I want ALL of it!!!
(I succumbed to the lure of merchandise this week and ordered The Day of the Dr DVD from BBC site (mainly in the hope they ship it early, haha!!)) You could drown in the amount of merchandise they have available – there’s PAGES of it. Rubbertoe’s stuff’s my fave tho. Not cheap tho… wonder how much they’d charge to make a TARDIS console…
@thommck @bluesqueakpip 53400 (but i did peak at the multiple choice answers)
27 September 2013 at 22:55 #1761427 September 2013 at 22:52 #17613re Does Clara speak TARDIS – good point. She also spoke TARDIS in Hide.
I’m loving all the Hartnell stuff that’s coming out now – thanks for keeping us up to date with the anniversaries. Poor WH – he had no idea just what he was kick-starting. Just another acting job, OK it’s a kids show, but it would fill 40+ weeks/year, and then the fear of being typecast 😉 It’ll be interesting to see how Matt does once he leaves, but Tennant seems to be managing to keep a credible acting career going while still being happy to be recognised as the Dr. (Smiled at the clip of Moffat accepting the TV Award from Davison, with DT (and comment about PM criticising Ten’s TARDIS parking))
Re the production schedules of the first few series – you have to be impressed with what they turned out then. A new planet, monsters, costumes, story every few weeks and strict studio time limits. Even soaps have it easy compared to that.
27 September 2013 at 12:21 #17594Just a thought re the non-appearance of the trailer… it’s one thing it show it live at Comic Con, it’s quite another to release it on to the interwebs where every frame will be frozen and examined in minutest (nano)detail (See previous convos about the rorscharch-blobby clouds (pixil x pixil) in the poster). Maybe they’re saving us from ourselves, LOL
<ScaryB feeling charitable this morning -must be all those little clips from the DVD – thanks @wolfweed and everyone)>
@ddd123 Rewatch the episodes more closely – it is explained – he uses River’s vortex manipulator bracelet.
26 September 2013 at 10:06 #17581@Shazzbot – I usually download cos you get a month to watch compared with 7 days “live”. iPlayer FAQ page http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/
26 September 2013 at 09:49 #17580@wolfweed – great finds as ever, thanks for posting. Laughed at the DVD extra with River, loved the dalek getting a tow (imagine coming across that unexpectedly in real life – good job the roads are quiet, haha). And I’m in Who-heaven with the Tardis set-drawings, they’re just wonderful 😆
@xad4 Thanks for the RT listings – looking forward to watching the old episodes. Shame they picked Battlefield for McCoy, but yay! for Vengeance on Varos (the return of Sil woohoo!). And Earthshock… well at least it’s controversial 🙂
26 September 2013 at 09:01 #17579@whisht @bluesqueakpip @blenkinsopthebrave
Thanks all for brilliant recent video clips. Cookie Monster for the next Doctor…
25 September 2013 at 13:21 #17567@Shazzbot Firefox and iplayer – iplayer won’t download anything for me; I assumed it was something stupid I was doing (usually works!). Even tried uninstalling and reloading. Missed up to Hide of 7.2 🙁 Then I thought about checking the FAQs…. d’oh! There’s an answer which says it sometimes has a problem with some versions of Firefox. Switched to IE and hey presto!
25 September 2013 at 12:50 #17565Having FINALLY (weeks!) worked out what was wrong with iplayer – it doesn’t currently work with Firefox – and going largely on the chat above, I dipped into Orphan Black last night. Definitely enough in there to keep me interested (after 2 episodes); Some quibbles – am amazed bf Paul couldn’t tell the difference, but there again, his first shag in months, he’s maybe not going to question too much! – and yes the accents are a bit off sometimes, but it doesn’t bother me so long as the focus is on the acting not the accents.
@jimthefish re people waking up in a past time (as you do) – sure Twilight Zone had that covered a few times also 🙂
25 September 2013 at 12:28 #17564@Shazzbot @janetteb
Apprently there’re inteviews with several companions, appearing Sat
@katyscott – Best of luck with the book… hope you’re prepared for the riots that are going to erupt about the numbering and the non-inclusion of HurtDr tho 😉
25 September 2013 at 12:24 #17563@bluesqueakpip – great clip… BUT – I’m with Cookie Monster – ME WANTS TRAILER NOOOOW!!!!
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24 September 2013 at 09:07 #17545@craig – love that intro, thanks for posting; different imagery but still with the down the rabbit hole feel. Don’t mind the seal of Rassilon and I like how it changes into the fob watch with Capaldi’s face briefly reflected in it.
24 September 2013 at 09:04 #17544Dr Who voted top all-time drama in Radio Times readers’ poll
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24205708
20 September 2013 at 17:51 #17461Re non-appearance of trailers – they’re not shy about promoting everything else (other than actual programmes!) about the show! <note to self: stay caaaalm, breeeathe slowly>
Those first session photos are great Bluesqueakpip, Hartnell looks right in character, even so early on.
20 September 2013 at 10:20 #17452FINALLY caught up with this. had to wait for DVD being delivered – but definitely worth it going by some of the comments on here re sound/visuals. Was also useful for the commentary – most of the actors hadn’t a clue what was going on either, but they had a ball making it.
It was my first time for Ghostlight (saw Fenric when it was broadcast) – I actually really enjoyed it, loved McCoy’s performance, very nuanced, quite dark at times. Hadn’t a clue specifically what was going on most of the time but was happy to go along with it. I liked that the performances were quite stylised – a knowing take on the old haunted house scenario – you’re pitched straight into a quite bonkers scenario, where nothing is what it seems.
Much weaker in the spacecraft scenes, I didn’t get what the husks were first time through.
Agree with @chickenelly – the violent mysterious prisoner getting tray of food also reminded me of Crimson Horror.
I liked the evolution theme – there was a remark (can’t find it now) in epi 2, just after finding the creepy crawlies in the drawer, which I thought implied that things evolved particularly fast in the house – possibly with the influence of the spacecraft energy. But agree with the comment above that it does seem to imply that life evolves faster on earth than elsewhere, unless Light is just starting out as a scientist.
For info – according to the commentary – this is a 3 person scientific survey team. It’s their second visit to earth – 1st time was 1000s of years ago, when they picked up Nimrod. While Light (leader) is in hibernation, Josiah speed-evolves into the highest lifeform on the planet (Victorian gentleman!) – he’s supposed to do that, I think, but it goes a bit wrong – problem with evolution! Control is a (scientific) control, for comparison with Josiah.
And yes, it should have been 4 episodes but the BBC weren’t doing the show any favoours in this last season.
The Doctor is quite abrupt with Ace on several occasions, yet it still comes over as a much warmer relationship than 6 and Peri’s. She trusts him, but isn’t afraid of calling him out. He judges she’s at the right stage to confront the “evil” she saw in 1983; it’s a bit high-handed but he’s proved right by the end. Incidentally, the choice of “Wicked” right at the end was McCoy’s, the orginal script had something much tamer, and less “Ace”.
20 September 2013 at 09:49 #1745120 September 2013 at 09:43 #17450<waves @Shazzbot>
Been under the table in the pub – Wow! daylight!!
Still no trailers…?
19 September 2013 at 00:29 #17435@craig et al
Completely forgot there was a favourite button! Think that answers your question.
Btw – my email notifications now come from The DEV Who Forum… have we developed an alterego?!
19 September 2013 at 00:27 #17434@Shazzbot @jimthefish
Re Downton cast reveal Dr Who memories – if I was feeling cynical I would be thinking that the BBC seem to be using every tenuous DW connection they can think of to plug all their other shows. To the pub!!
19 September 2013 at 00:22 #17433@jimthefish @blenkinsopthebrave @bluesqueakpip
Completely agree – I suggest pangalactic gargleblasters in the Rose & Crown… then another shot at the poster – it usually starts to look animated after the 3rd or 4th drink 🙂
13 September 2013 at 12:00 #17199Anyone picked up any news yet about possible screenings in London on 23rd Nov?
13 September 2013 at 11:58 #17198Thanks eveyone for all the news updates. Poster looks amazing! And yes @bluesqueakpip, helluva lot of mirroring going on it. And T’s changed his hairstyle. Combover..??
Re the title – liking all the riffs on Day of the Daleks – Moffat is on record as saying that was his favourite ever Dr Who story – particularly because of its timeywimeyness.
9 September 2013 at 07:27 #17099re the Massacre – I’m relying on nearly 50 year old memories (fortunately more reliable than my more recent ones haha) with a bit of prompt from wikipedia (to paraphrase Troughton’s Dr – I have a jumble of old Dr Whos sleeping in my head). I’m afraid I find the recons a bit frustrating (tho kudos to the creators for trying. Mostly!). I’d be interested to see any that Arkleseizure or anyone recommends tho. (Meanwhile there is a very small spark of fantasy that lives in hope that the 102 missing episodes will indeed be found 1 day 🙂 )
9 September 2013 at 07:18 #17098Am I the only one thinking that a trailer would be very nice about now?
Completely agree… especially since we know there’s one out there (from the recent US Comic Con, which fired up a fair degree of ARSE on these shores).
@islek Interesting thoughts you have there. I’m not convinced the HurtDr IS corporeal in the timestream though. I thought he was hidden (behind some sort of mind block (see cyber leader’s comments in NiS)) but was now uncovered because the timestream is breaking down (natural decay enhanced by all the various people jumping into it). But the-doctor-who-never-was, ie the one Matt regenerates into, IF he regenerates at a particular time/circumstances – hmmm, food for thought (flips back to various conversations re the grammatical tenses used in his exchange with Matt. I’m not even sure that he and Matt actually interact, it’s not quite a conversation. Matt responds to what he says, but it could be like you respond to eg TV or a film).
Also re Rose and MCD for the 50th – you’re right about the emotional thing, and it could clear out some “baggage” (with apologies to R and MCD!). See previous discussions about the paradoxes of Ten being involved in Eleven’s story.
9 September 2013 at 07:05 #17097<waves @juniperfish>
Great to see you back on the sofa fishy friend.
I imagine Mr. Capaldi making faces in the mirror, tap-dancing with butterflies, as the Doctor starts to inhabit him.
Love it
@janetteb Aha! It’s only a matter of time! (the king is dead, long live the king!)
Welcome to @Juniperfush’s blue box of anticipation!
8 September 2013 at 16:11 #17083And The Massacre also features Anne Chaplet and (at the end) new companion Dodo Chaplet, who despite it being heavily suggested were related, looked nothing like each other at all! <looks nervously over shoulder for the topic dalek 😉 >
8 September 2013 at 15:40 #17082Not my comment on the pic above, but wholeheartedly agree with it. Especially because it left you wrong-footed a lot of the time, not knowing which side you were supposed to be on.
8 September 2013 at 15:38 #17081Not to mention the 1st and the Abbot of Amboise (The Massacre)
7 September 2013 at 19:43 #17044This is one of the episodes that reverberated for ages with me, still does. I think it’s hugely ambitious, in the ways @bluesqueakpip mentions above, in really trying to convey what it would be like to experience the Silence. The world as weird, off-kilter, not a clue what’s going on…
I really liked the device of the tally marks. Even if it doesn’t make sense that you’d record a Silence visit on your own face where you can’t see it, it works for the shock value. And the nest of Silence on the ceiling – oh my!
Re BSP’s comment “…Which does rather suggest that Clara might be somehow connected to this…” I keep going back to the SM interview from the end of S6 where he said that all the similarities between River and Amy that people spotted throughout S5 (and that he sometimes got flack for) were deliberate, to set up the connection. That logic suggests you could be spot on. Unless Clara’s his granny of course.
That also leads me to wondering about these 3 puzzle women – possible refs to the 3 Fates/the maiden/mother/crone aspects of Mother Nature/triple goddess myths? Any of them ever been spotted knitting?!
7 September 2013 at 16:43 #17028@donnanobol Not much point in you watching the next series or commenting on here then. See you back when we’re on to the 13th Dr. Or after you’ve opened your mind a bit and given Peter a chance.
7 September 2013 at 14:11 #17023What rhymes with TARDIS?
far dis…
tance
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7 September 2013 at 12:58 #17022Hopefully they’re racing through because there are goodies planned for October, but don’t hold your breath…
I’m always optimistic! (well mostly)
Haha – I’m still catching up with the last episode of Ghostlight, then Caves, then the Moffat summary – 4 different Doctors simultaneously – planning mega catch-up with Dr Who overload very soon 😀
7 September 2013 at 12:53 #17021Thanks for welcome back. Edinburgh Festival is indeed a crazy but fun maelstrom.
Thanks for the info on the poetry book – your typo was interesting – I clicked cos I thought “59th anniverary… eh?!” Wasn’t over-impressed with the poetry, but loved the opener –
What rhymes with TARDIS?
What indeed…? Not too-taxing on-the-sofa trivia question for Saturday afternoon 🙂
(…barred this? …bard is?)
7 September 2013 at 12:38 #170207 September 2013 at 12:36 #17019My preferred theory is that Caecilus is the (now known to be) 12th Dr, chameleon-arched, maybe hiding, maybe just taking a holiday, or trying on the human family thing for a change. Hence the reason for Ten breaking the habit of (several) lifetimes and saving a seemingly random person from a fixed point. (Donna, being open to these things, picked it up on a deep psychic level)
And the Frobisher as shape-shifting penguin who’s got stuck as Capaldi theory is a theory of genius! Works for me.
… putting John Barrowman (Capt. Jack) in as the 13th.
You have a problem with that…? 😉 (see @tardisblue‘s definitions of “actor”)
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