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18 January 2019 at 08:02 #67228
‘fraid I don’t know about that one….
I have an enquiry, seeing as I love Laura Linney but not so much Jason Bateman who appears to be in everything, does anyone find The Ozarks appealing? This is the actual Netflix series -not the place.
Puro
16 January 2019 at 12:37 #67226@kevinwho
Puro here. I didn’t know there are vague prophecies trotted out for finales. The prophecy was a clever algorithm, explained as such and used sensibly to explain why the young Doctor wanted to “run” in the first place. He left because of what he heard. The regeneration energy was established BG but in AG Who it was used in The Christmas Invasion. The 10th Doctor lost his hand, it grew back, Torchwood nicked it and it hung around there for awhile until Barrowman’s character heard the familiar Tardis wheezing, grabbed it and off he went: hand in hand. So the 13th can easily drop onto a train and repair any broken bones and bruises. To cram that dialogue in it wouldn’t work with a group of humans who don’t know who you are anyway.
The telepathic circuitry was used repeatedly by most show runners – Martha/Doctor in The Family of Blood; The Frontier in Space (I remember this as it was Delgado’s last Master and orchestrated by Dudley Simpson). Later, Idris uses her own circuitry to ensure Rory finds an old, battered control room by using mental pictures. Like so:
IDRIS:
(laughs) Your chin is hilarious! (pinches the DOCTOR’S chin then looks at RORY) It means the smell of dust after rain.RORY:
What does?IDRIS:
Petrichor.RORY:
But I didn’t ask.IDRIS:
Not yet. But you will.Notably when the Doctor becomes extremely angry -such as when SmithDoc was laughed at by Angel Bob he starts to formulate a complex plan. Keeping the Angels talking. 🙂
In Resolution she’s already spoken to the Dalek via a microphone that would be part of the circuitry designed to spook any intruder. And the Daleks live to intrude.
When the recon scout laughs, that’s when she gets into action using “texting” but in this case it’s closer to FaceTime. She says: biotracking fused to holo-projection” or “my mad TEXT skillz.”
I know very little about this real technology but I know it’s out there. 😉
Puro.
16 January 2019 at 02:38 #67219I was watching Twitter on my own. I thought I was watching the new “type” of Brexit deal of your PM? It was the vote for the Irish Backstop which would be left in the hands of the UK rather than the EU? (I feel bad I don’t know this part better!).
I’m now listening to people talking about the possible vote against your PMs plan- which, I heard on TV today already that it was an “outrageous deal with a huge majority vote against her policy.” This from Channel 7 and 9 where they show the Australian Open which we watch this time every year. And that’s why I was following it.
Except we are having arguments with Dad’s rellies in parts of London who voted Brexit and it made me furious. It’s hard for me to speak to them & nothing I say will change their mind because “you’re 17, what do you know about how the immigrants are flooding what England once was! We’ll have a country with black faces, terrorists planning to blow us up and councils saying “sure put up that synagogue or mosque but not a Christian church.” ” What can you do? Family eh. Can’t kill ’em & can’t love ’em.
Also, I think Andy Murray retired from tennis yesterday? Maybe not? To all Scots @soundcloud and @jimthefish sad day for tennis but he had a terrific innings and yesterday two sets down he won the next two sets even though his hip injury -an avulsion bruise/fracture was obvious through the whole match. Thank you for reading.
T16
16 January 2019 at 01:18 #67216@archaicwhovian
I think the cyberman (wood) was a long, long time ago on Trenzalore? The cybermen sent many different things to stop Trenzalore so the Doctor simply never left.
@kevinwho
I think a lot of us ‘make up’ things as we see the consequences of something that’s occurred. I liked Sherlock & the way we saw the first thing which happened and then the resolution -we didn’t always see ‘how’ they fixed something but we know they did. And because we’d seen the ‘how’ before, many times, we didn’t need to. But I understand how you might feel about this. Thank you for your explanation!
@miapatrick congrats on the 1st (had to ask mum what that was) who said darkly, “something you will never, ever get.” Sorry, but the way she said it was quite funny and she did laugh but then said “that is very, very difficult.” S, well DONE!!
T16
15 January 2019 at 11:51 #67209@kevinwho
I think the 1st one (the train) doesn’t need an explanation. It’s been the case since at least 2006 that the Doctor ‘cooks’ so any burns & bruises are sorted out with extra regeneration energy. When SmithDoc gave his regeneration energy to River to fix her hand & also to stop her dying? I think the planets were put back in orbit using the Ux energy field as well as anything Doc did. The people had died but the planets could not share the same time/space so she fixed that & explained how it was done. As Puro said this Doc is a “gabby” one. She explains at huuuge speed what she’s doing By watching it on catch-up TV we get the subtitles which helps a lot.
An instant fix could sound like a Dues Ex Machina but I remember how TenDoc didn’t use this device ‘pulling’ all the planets back into line near the end of his era with everyone helping. When Smith was on Trenzalore he knew, after a few hundred years how to sort the enemies: the wood cyberman or the Weeping Angels and even the Daleks but the 13 new lives were first used to kill all the Daleks & was explained in story how & why this occurred.
15 January 2019 at 11:40 #67208I think you said that really well. & I would agree, personally.
Also, as we’re on the Sofa, Mum was asking how your study is doing? Have you finished & do you have a lot more to do?
T16.
14 January 2019 at 10:44 #67198Oh dear. Not good is it? think of Malcolm Fraser & how he decried the behaviour and polices of our more recent Libs/Nat Parties and the “shell that is left of once good & balanced opposition” Even Gough Whitlam for many a decade despising Fraser grudgingly respected this new ‘statesman.’ Both shared an admiration for the stunningly clever, counter-intuitive H.V Evatt -his Wiki article has some notable mistakes, though. I never warmed to PM Turnbull but I’m embarrassed when I watch the economic shenanigans of Scott Morrison.
In SA, decades ago, gardens patiently waited for April rains. Schools used bore water for ovals but attempting to water the Barossa now -having it shipped in -is plain awful. The farming situation worries me horribly. I may’ve mentioned that dad regularly took me to his friend’s farm: two rooms with a dirt floor, swept daily, immaculately ironed, faded kitchen curtains where rain leaked from the roof every winter. During the garlic and ginger harvest the children stayed home & worked. There was little money in such backbreaking work.
At 13, I was shocked. These were lovely Czechs who hadn’t any good fortune for many years. My parents crossed the oceans with them in ’50 but maintained the connection. After he died, I found Dad had quietly given them money & toys for Christmas. The small things but it isn’t always enough.
My garden always looks spindly til March. Yesterday I gave in and pruned 80% of everything to stave off dehydration. A purge is always good!
Cheers, Puro
13 January 2019 at 10:30 #67191Elsewhere in the episode a waitress tells them to leave. All we can be certain of the other customers is complicity. Are they silent out of shock for who has walked into the place? Or out of tension for what they know is about to happen? The episode essentially shows three attitudes: overt racism, complacency/indifference to racism, and anti racism. That is, in fact, the range that exists.
@kevinwho
consider me a lost cause please, and don’t try to convince me
That’s a concern, isn’t it? That you think you’re a “lost cause?” 🙂 I think @miapatrick said some extremely interesting points, though. The people within the state who upheld Jim Crow were, in a very short time, in a very short screen-play, complicit with racist beliefs.
Upon re-watching ‘Rosa,’ it merited interest because of the nature of history required in pursuit of legitimate aims. People complicit with Jim Crow, whether the young waitress, the bus-drivers, the sheriff of the County and the couple whose husband slapped Ryan threw us, deeply, into the mess of the 1950s. I, for one, recall how Medgar Evers and MLK said to groups of listeners, “if you think racism in the deep south was changed only because of the work in the early 1960s you have one helluva history lesson to learn.”
This was that History. Mum mentions being in Alabama in 1979 and every single person she met -with grandpa -who was obviously European -was racist, nasty and sarcastic. They stayed a week and met not one single kind, compassionate person -they were all too scared of offending the racists. To be there, is to know that. Now, perhaps other people with European fathers and mothers and with sons and not daughters didn’t feel that way -but it certainly was a lesson she never forgot. And neither did grandpa. He’d worked against fascists and against Communists in the 1940s/50s and so this experience shook him. He was a voracious learner, an engineer, a successful salesman but in Alabama he was “wog or dirty Jew” whilst mum, at 13, was a “whore.” In 1979!
I think we needed the story -not because it was representational, only, but because it showed a time which was intentionally subjective. Also, it needed to use time travel to prove how effecting change right there and then would’ve blown the boycott’s plan wide open. And held things back, too long.
T16 (thankyou for reading)
13 January 2019 at 09:54 #67190Yep, Brisbane is nice but very hot. Recently, we were almost in NSW 🙂 At Springbrook -hadn’t been there before. Terrific lagoons, waterfalls, masses of blue & green glow-worms and on that property some seriously large echidnas. Spikey, cross things -especially if you don’t let them get to breakfast early!
We have a whole year without Who, so it looks like I’ll be re-visiting some old Who and some recent Capaldi Who (not that recent but it feels like 8 or 9 months ago).
Some people really liked Heaven Sent and Hell Bent & I did too. Having said that I really enjoyed this past series -I was a bit worried but I really like the guy from The Chaser and was very impressed with his character. There were a few mis-fires (tiny ones for me) but I looked forward to it. It was fast and flexible. I remember Old Who on videos where everything seemed very, S L O W 🙂
I think that was TV back in the 60s. I love old movies -Guess Who Came to Dinner, It’s a Wonderful Life, Rope, The Birds and Mr Smith Goes To Washington so a slow pace is something I enjoy . I sound like my dad now but the erratic editing on many shows and the very quick dialogue doesn’t seem easy to follow. It does not always allow us to reflect on what we’re hearing but I felt Dr Who this past year did -mostly.
T16.
13 January 2019 at 09:29 #67188Love that handle! Awesome! (more creative than mine, for sure). I’m sure you’ll have a great time. There’s a lot to see and do, discuss and theorise and some of us have become real friends, which I believe is a really good thing. I’m not a very technological person -I update facebook once a year 🙂 but I could always use this forum easily. Some other forums or platforms are actually very difficult to navigate -this one isn’t!
13 January 2019 at 09:22 #67186would love to make some friends in Australia
@misslegaleagle @blenkinsopthebrave As Mr B mentioned, the episode you are after Miss Legal, is Extremis. Boy, are we in extremis here, of late.
Puro and I are from Brisbane. I myself haven’t been to Long Island. The other day, before our holiday where we had to share the home with bright red rosellas and blue kookaburras (not to forget the snorting echidnas who live on termites -we have a couple in our own garden precisely so they can eat the nasty fiery red ants and blue/green ants which are 4 inches in length and if bitten by one & an antidote isn’t administered immediately, fingers, toes or noses become a fiery red (hence the name) and can become gangrenous.
Prior to going away I took the pet kangaroo, named Lightning, on the bus and fortunately had a muzzle for it -due to new laws. A lady on the bus had her baby crocodile but without a muzzle & I’m pretty sure she was fined. In the end she was allowed to put him in the middle of the bus where the surf boards are usually kept. There were so many wallys with boards the Council (we don’t have a government in Brisbane to speak of -a Lower House only and no Upper House at all which is different to other states and territories of this Commonwealth: we still have to pay a large amount for the Queen’s purse -hence the lack of proper governance).
Across the road a woman has exceeded the amount of wallabies allowed as domestic pets (it’s 12 and i’m pretty sure she has 14) but we, personally, have at least 5 very dangerous brown snakes as well as hordes of toads. The Council is begging the crocodile owners to feed them toads as they’ve come much further south than originally intended. I’ve started a small business selling toads to the croc and wallaby owners at 5 bucks a pop. Also, in our home, and in many around Brisbane, there are no full walls around each house -it’s far too hot.
Screens over windows slow down any decent breeze but one has to be careful because the possums will wander right in. Worse, are the scrub turkeys. They are triple the size of normal turkeys weighing the same as a large greyhound dog. They particularly like going thru the entire pantry and some have actually succeeded in opening fridge doors. Dad put a padlock on the fridge -it’s not really a fridge in the modern sense? It’s more a meat safe for keeping meat, milk and other things fresh for a week.
We bring ice up from below the spit or builder’s areas and by digging can find not only fresh water but water-cooled droplets which keep most things from going off – providing we use tons of salt for preservation. There are few rate/council payments because we have to dump our own waste using compost heaps for recycling garden waste -specifically coming from papaya trees and mangoes.
These two fruits together, when made into a paste, are effective for any bite or sunburn and when applied liberally, keep the mozzies, flies and huge dragon-flies away. The last have a spectacular blue hue but are growing larger by the year. I saw one carry a small cat away to its den. Shouldn’t complain as cats are considered feral and it’s acceptable to mow them down when necessary.
My neighbour has started a ‘Preserve the Feral Cats’ Movement but without any technology to spread the word, it’s going to take a long time. Certain species of mushrooms are very useful as an unguent for any poisons from Dart Ferns which have evolved into a clever species of flora in order to protect themselves from the hungry wallaby and kangaroo Mammalia.
Anyway, that’s about it for now!
T16.
12 January 2019 at 05:47 #67183Gidday. Welcome from Oz. I think the BBC is strapped for funds. It isn’t like the channels or the huge production areas available in the US. Even Aus’ own series are 6 hour long-shows. The most loved, Rake, didn’t come out each year & had 7 or maybe 8 eps when it did. The TV shows you’ve mentioned have millions -not just in production but each episode, of a show like The Blacklist costs over 1 million bucks an episode. I don’t think it’s 1 million pounds for an entire 10 ep run of Doctor Who -I read up about it once & noticed I was surprised.
Thank you T16
12 January 2019 at 05:13 #67182@winston sure was. Thank you. I hope you don’t fall too often. Makes for a fun anecdote from mum & others but the bruises take a while to go away I reckon 😉
Thane16
12 January 2019 at 04:59 #67181Mum’s apologies Mr P, she didn’t read the first post correctly &around that time she was experiencing some dental problems which led to the DrDentist prescribing some codeine in what is labelled in ‘Straya “Mersyndol, forte” which is codeine + even more codeine. One reason why she liked swimming in 15 degree water -it numbed her mouth.
Sincerely, T16.
11 January 2019 at 09:49 #6717011 January 2019 at 09:39 #67169@blenkinsopthebrave being from Bris, you’ve done this trek many-a-time so we decided to do something unprecedented! Take a holiday which involved considerable driving and renting a lovely home -self catered – in Springbrook. On the first evening after a massive fry up – – @pedant ignore this: think, instead, of mushrooms -ah, nope, hang on, not them because mushrooms eat people -fresh green vegetables and unsugared lime juice – – Thane and I walked around part of the Springbrook National Park.
Back at the house in the gloaming we saw a huge echidna -as the mist rolled in quickly we headed indoors & listened to several kookaburras. They had tiny, blue tipped wings? Also, a 2 metre lizard & some rosellas I’d not seen in years: feathers in vivid magenta, amethyst, bright emerald, neon orange and gold.
Then, the scrub turkeys plonked along the steel balcony using their feet-boots to knock away the parrots so the turkeys, rightful heirs of the Gallifreyan High Council, could dine immediately.
The next day, & this is the alarming bit: yes, it was 6 degrees cooler and very little sun pierced the canopy shrouded with epiphytes and wallaby monkeys but I walked for 12 kms that day from about 11.30 am till 8 pm -with occasional down time (code for gasping, sweating profusely & periodically checking for leeches & blood sucking arachnids). At the base of the hike you walk through caves with millions of opalescent glow worms, pass under several rhyolite caves from which icy, crashing waterfalls descend into the reward: a huge lagoon at the bottom.
Later, Thane was keen to hop off bridge with relatively shallow, sedate waterfalls; perhaps 30 or so in the vicinity & with water so fresh it was delicious. Phone-camera in hand I fussily directed Thane to “stand here & move there, look attentive” but without any warning, I flopped down 5 metres of a smaller waterfall into another cavernous deep lagoon. And the phone was undamaged! A miracle! Me? Dorkiness & a few scratches.
11 January 2019 at 07:47 #67166I was born in 1967 which makes me 51 and one thing I know, @bluesqueakpip m’dear, and understand, is just how much work the arts ‘creates’ -and that was back in the late 90s and into the 00’s.
TV is even harder. I’d say next to politics working in television certainly ages a person considerably -not necessarily in looks but as noticed in the general chat people like CC, PC, MS, ah, hang on, Peter Capaldi, Chibnall, Moffat, Whittaker offer -they describe with excellent adjectives how tired they are and what a long rest they need. I remember looking at Tennant’s video diary and comparing him later, in 2009 with 2006 and he had aged, physically: all that running? All that night shooting…
There appears to be a brat hereabouts? Thing is, this brat is also 51. 😀
@pedant you definitely said “mum.” Your ex-mum? Or….never mind, that’s me mis-reading something…. Must head to pub. I had a life this past week. An actual life. I now need a camera that’s not 12 years old and a phone….no, a phone isn’t really a camera. It’s OK but not that great as I discovered falling down a water-fall. Honestly? I thought I was a gonner. I wasn’t! It was, I have to say, a bit of a thrill, because I can handle strong water. It took me a leedle while to find which way was up but I saw an eel (urgh) and followed it up to the sun.
To the Pub! And @blenkinsopthebrave has books… brilliant.
Puro
6 January 2019 at 04:25 #67106@kevinwho
It’s hard I know, I was doing it too. As @pedant said “ignore” because there’s absolutely no point. They aren’t listening, they’re clueless, they don’t tag people and they don’t respond rationally. These types never do.
Cheers, Puro.
5 January 2019 at 14:02 #67081Of course I aint sayin’ they’re both good at all 🙂
Andy Mackay has some ‘nice’ comments about Godley and Crème.
It reminded me of the Doctor, in one way, because: “it was a minor skirmish by the Doctor’s blood soaked standards.” The song is minor in skirmish, with little drama.
And to Ray Sawyer’s passing. A man who was both good and wore an eyepatch: why he never found The Silence.
Puro
5 January 2019 at 13:45 #67080well, well, well.
I was listening to some choons over the new year and I found a great one for the Doctor -the one who has danced, who always dances. But then I also found this courtesy of the ABC. Which for different reasons is also good for the Doctor.
Puro.
4 January 2019 at 12:45 #67066@kevinwho He was camp wasn’t he? A jolly fine job. We started T, again. Re-booted this time, like the Doctor did 😉 This time with bought pizza bases and our own tomato sauce with….bacon and cheese. We also had a small amount of green things @pedant (just a few, mind) on the pizza like parsley, chive, rosemary and thyme 😀 😀
@mudlark oh dear, the froggies boiling away their chips in water: that would’ve mystified them…”it’s not brown, waddawedonow?”
“get cod and chips.” I was always fascinated by your cod and chips: one rainy night in the Lakes District we had the best fish’ n’ chips ever. The cod was beautiful. Here it aint all that appetising.
@pedant oh, pancakes, Gawd love ’em. My mother used to make them with whipped cream, fine sugar and mashed strawberries. We’d pile all this delectable creamy strawberry-ness all over each one. Noses covered in cream, gunks of it in our hair. Good times 🙂
Love the “till it’s done” comment. It reminds me of The West Wing (everything does) where the assistants are madly trying to stop an ‘event’ from getting worse, “so end it!” barks Toby, and when they ask “how, exactly?” He says, “by ENDING it.”
Puro
3 January 2019 at 15:40 #670483 January 2019 at 15:10 #67046So in summary, as ScarySofa persons and a mudlarker -ANY information whatsoever about cooking would be most welcoming. I didn’t intend to mean: “YOU”RE teaching Thane to cook! You? Mwa-ha haa!”
So, I apologise for that rather rude-ish post @scaryb @mudlark xx Can we put it down to the .005% of alcohol in the wine coolers?
Hmmm, probably not: although the very yeasty fragrance in the mouldering rye bread could’ve been a factor…
Puro
3 January 2019 at 04:14 #67040@scaryb @mudlark Oh, this is FUNNY. You’re teaching our Thane to cook! OK, so did I tell you about the pasta lesson?
This is was nearly a year ago. I said ‘right, get ready, later you’ll place the pasta in the pot.” Foolishly I went to the mailbox. Came back and said “where’s pasta? It was just here.”
“It’s in the pot.”
And so it was. The pot wasn’t hot and empty of water but droobles of pasta were at the bottom.
Lesson 1: fill the pot with water and when it’s at a rolling boil, slowly add the pasta.
Re: giblets. When buying frozen chickens in Brisbane, they’re usually in the packaging. When I have my wits. I make stock. The latter’s quite expensive and most people tend to buy it rather than simmer the bones etc.
Puro
2 January 2019 at 09:27 #67030@ragnarok I mean @idiotsavon of Savon Manor AND @scaryb 😀
Happy new year’s to you both. x0 x
I remember, yonks, or timey-whimeys agos, we had a Ragnarok theme during the end of the Smith era?
I’ve not watched the new ep yet. In fact, I haven’t hooked into the ABC much at all except for the occasional special from The Midwives or Foyles War.
@scaryb (This has been Thane writing today, btw): great to see you hear too! In “lighting the way back”, I had help from an adventurous helicopter ride/instruction a month ago and it was so good. I was using lights and as we were learning about Instrument Landing Systems (ILS) I thought timey whimy. (I haven’t got my actual driver’s license yet which doesn’t seem to worry dad . He’s a really good teacher but I reckon in about 2 months he’ll start freaking out when I travel over 30 miles an hour! )
I really hope the chassis is repaired well and not too expensively @idiotsavon and the biscuits and necessary coffees to help with staying awake were appropriate Christmas food. Your bonkers theories are always terrific which is great to read and tells me there are “arcs and there are ARCS” -some arcs are small and catch up with you like a thief in the night and others are big, clock sized arcs like ‘Bad-wolf.’ or “remember me you clever boy, run.”
@blenkinsopthebrave You must have very happy and contented cats, though? I LOVE cats (nd dogs but lesser than cats) but they hate me! Too many allergies. Our neighbour has a type of indoor cat which over 10 years has ruined her couch and also the stairs for unmentionable reasons 😉
Also why are giblets bad? Are they only in turkeys? I have turkey sandwiches (which I know are not how they are ‘built’ as it were!).
Thank you all, from Thane16 and wishing all the best from Mum and dad. And to the moderators for doing the tough mod work during this past new season with CC and JW: @craig @jimthefish @phaseshift. And also a big “hello” to @ichabod hoping the new year brings more comfort state-side
1 January 2019 at 10:17 #67004@pedant awesomely interesting. For some reason I always listen and watch these things the 2nd time around for the automatic subtitling. 🙂
Somewhere a “japan” and a “carol” featured as did “Cervantes and decibel” -the last was supposed to be DESMOND.
I find the “fervour” attached to these very industrious groups sometimes as exhausting as the condition itself. Certain groups -or individuals – have agendas an eon long.
I’m so glad your sugar readings showed massive improvement. As for the water closet situation (Thane is learning new words no matter how outdated, as occasional rest-rooms in QLD still show ‘WCs’ —>) that’s another matter.
As you say, “twitchy.” I’d add ‘better the wine cork rather than water-tap pressure on maximum…” 🙁
Doctors love scatological references and charades: “the adult diapers are on sale at the mo, grab yourself a pair” as if you’re considering the purchase of opal, platinum cufflinks.
Puro
1 January 2019 at 05:56 #67000@winston Happy NY to you, also.
Lets all grab a hold 0f 2019 and make it do what its told.
I love that! Using those memory or vision patches the Doctor uses would help. I think in Capaldi’s first season 1 of PC and Clara where she wants the Doctor to find heaven and get Danny back (naturally, the Doctor, practised at Aikido, and fully aware Clara has taken, or believes she’s taken, all the Tardis keys to the only place they’ll actually melt.
I know your brand of “it’s cold, really cold” is quite different from our type of Winter-ish cold: “Oh, gee it’s 22 degrees today and a minimum of seven and I need my scarf, coat and gloves.” Right now, I’d be happy with some middling Canada-cold (say, Autumn or beginning of Spring-cold).
Five years ago in Prague at the end of February, we were heading out of the hotel and I was wearing my all-purpose light wool suit. In certain chain stores @janetteb and @blenkinsopthebrave would know (Myer, David Jones) you can purchase a petite brand for us ‘short’ people, and, as it’s Brisbane, the suits don’t need a blouse underneath and are very light.
Foolish and a tad jet lagged, I had a pair of slip on open toed shoes, no panty-hose, scarf etc…. Sensibly, outside the tube station, there were various digits demonstrating the potential for rain and the current temperature of: “one degree C.”
The wind made it seem -30 (for a Brisbaner) so I had to skip back to hotel and re-dress -including high, warm boots -for which I was grateful, for more than one reason…
In visiting the famous sites, yet again, I was plagued by wind and rain, but also people coughing violently over us, sneezing, spitting up and snotting up on sidewalks. Oh I was proud of those people: my people – OK, distant ancestors, my former (sort-of) homeland demonstrating to good Czech, Slovak folk and tourists just how elegant and properly courteous they all are..
::Puro
27 December 2018 at 10:52 #66955@bluesqueakpip brilliant idea. For me, some distance from the show can cause me to realise that the reasons could be because of other things affecting programming
@kevinwho I just did this looong philosophy thing on logic, rationality and god: can you use rational thinking to prove the existence of God.
Sometimes we need to be emotional in the way we view/watch our shows. They become ‘ours’ to the extent we say “it’s MY favourite show.” Or here, Doc10 or Doc 2 was “my” Doctor? But if people are frustrated by something -like the characters, or the amount of people in Tardis or the accent they can sometimes write: “these are lazy writers” or “I dislike the Doctor, now so get better showrunners” . Being objective is great but it’s hard and some people fall into using comments that aren’t constructive like “Lazy writing” or “I won’t watch the show in protest” when there’s no way anyone is going to a) care whether that person watches it or not or b) can’t prove anyone is or isn’t watching it.
Also the very same people who hated Moffat (& there were a few) would’ve said in their echo-spaces, “Ban the MoffBoff” and bring on “better writers. Bring back RTD.”
Also, way back in 2009 or 2005 lots of people wouldn’t have had a hag’s ear’s idea of what a “writer” was. Or possibly wouldn’t have named any.
Somewhere here a poster said “I wonder what JJ Abrams could have made of Doctor Who” etc. Abrams did Fringe, I think: after 24 episodes Mum and I were bored to our wisdom teeth and it was @pedant who said “stop watching it and get back into House” and that was a decision I don’t regret!
Lindelöf and Abrams did Lost and the former wrote Leftovers, possibly as good as House and other shows I’ve enjoyed in the years I’ve grown a brain but I honestly can’t imagine Abrams doing Who: mind you, what’s the worry in not deciding that? After all, I did that with Chibnall because of a season of Broadchurch. And I regret writing anything about that because Who has been great this year. Also, I’m no expert, at all, on writers so when people join a site to write crap like “sack the writers. Replace the showrunner” and yet never say explicitly why it’s such a problem I’m keen for them to piss off! We’re taught daily to look at implicit and explicit commentary, intentional objectivity or subjectivity.
T16
27 December 2018 at 10:05 #66952completely ignore my spelling of Whittaker which self corrected! 😀
27 December 2018 at 07:58 #66951one more piece of proof the he is trying to fundamentally change how The Doctor is perceived. From Jodie Whittakers portrayal of The Doctor and the writing this season and now a new year’s episode instead of Christmas episode he has changed the series beyond salvation. I don’t believe I will watch next season in protest. I definitely am not looking forward to it…
It’s Whittaker, not Whittaker 🙂
The reason the show’s changing is that Doctor Who has been chartered to do this as part of its mission statement about how each show furthered the reason for the BBC to exist. In EVERY iteration of the Doctor and companions the show changed but it was still relatable, as Moriarty would say.
I have to grin if one week from xmas special to NY special marks ‘fundamental changes.’ This is a show ABOUT time therefore Chibnall is actually CLOSER to the mark when changing the day on which it airs.
You seem like a fun person so “welcome to the Forum.” It’s a great place for discussions about real issues. You’ve mentioned “writing” but what about the writing is causing dislike? To the extent that you won’t watch in protest? LOL 😀
It’s kinda like a hunger strike against Communism except this is about a show that you may not like because of a “writing” problem you’ve not described or because the companions are black and the Doctor’s a woman…..
When I was five my mother heard others making Doctor’s appointments: Can we see the lady Doctor please?” She explained this to me and I didn’t understand why a female doctor, dentist, painter or anyone else female was a bad thing! And that was 12 years ago! But as others upthread have said much better than I – @fatmaninabox – – waving to you and glad your device is powering up! and @blenkinsopthebrave – hope that celler of yours is being emptied! – – the whole show is based on complete change. I remember when people wanted the actor from Luther to replace Tennant but now, if they suggested a man from a different cultural group (never mind gender) bowels-leak would be ape-poo.
Also, I had an opportunity to listen to Tennant, the Bakers and Paul McGann and they ALL say the show has changed and that is its “absolute strength.”
Change = absolute strength in Doctor Who. Said by older Doctors, younger Doctors and…….the lady composer 😈 who made what is probably the most unusual theme in television shows since the ’60s!
T16 Give Doctor Who a Chance!
26 December 2018 at 05:00 #66934True, “my boyz”
“we’re not her boys” from Rory and “yes, we are” from the Doctor.
Enjoy Boxing Day!
26 December 2018 at 04:43 #66931I’ve almost fin-fished (gag, right there) the Vampires of Venice and despite how it was slagged off (a bit) I noticed Smithy being very, very ‘old’ school: “We don’t discuss this Amy. I tell you what to do and you do it.” Rory, in a weak voice says, “thank you” whilst Amy tosses her hair and stomps off.
Just re-reading the Sofa posts and the posts from the last two episodes from our current series, and boy, have we come along way in those few years.
26 December 2018 at 04:23 #66930I overlooked that comment, Missy! Yes, Thane is not only “mostly patient” he is incredibly patient pretty much all of the time.
Puro
26 December 2018 at 04:16 #66929@winston thank you yes, the stone fruits are the best we’ve had in10 years. Mangos are spectacular. Your favourite son did a very good deed, indeed. I’m watching Smithy right now. Everyone else, in the middle of Boxing Day, is having a long nap but as I didn’t wake til 11, I’m not in the least bit sleepy.
Too much cold aint all that good! I’m not sure what I was watching -could’ve been the song posted above or the one on youtube -the Silence song (?) but it led me to Netflix & I’m watching the Vampires of Venice: I saw it only the once, away back, and heard that it was considered pretty silly but some of it is hilarious!
“They’re aliens!!” (whooping ) and Rory yells,
“what’s the matter with you people?” Love it!
Puro
26 December 2018 at 03:30 #66926@kevinwho
Indeed we are. But I had a moment….wherein the roast pork, left in fridge for too long, wasn’t going to crackle. To the god crattklexporokox I prayed (also called the Bosch oven handbook) and soon ……(within 10 mins) we had pork crackling with potatoes dauphin – – @mudlark when returning would know the origin of said spuds – – and buttered peas. Neither lobster tail nor prawn for us Aussies this year!
@janetteb yes, I’ve seen the seen temp down there. Can you get to beach?? Fortunately it’s a tad less putrid here. Lots of ice helps and home-made lemonade and fruit! White nectarines and peaches. Whoa. I think we polished off 12 in 24 hours.
@fatmaninabox good to see your boxy head round these here parts. @miapatrick @rob (how’s that stallion?) and @winston — same to you all ((-_-))
Puro and Thane
23 December 2018 at 23:45 #66902@missy Ooh now, no-one upset Thane. And neither did he set out to be harsh etc.
You like morals don’t you? If you’re absolutely perfect then I guess you wouldn’t. As I explained upthread, at length, Tennant’s eps were Lessons In Morals. So were Capaldi’s -which, I believe, you would’ve watched at least once?
I think the issue raised was that the series you hadn’t watched was a lecture in morals. He had just finished explaining this to a poster and so responded by saying you like morals, no? Not harsh. It’s a fair question. And, as you often said, you loved Capaldi’s Doctor -a time with the double Zygon episode, a gay companion etc… The reference to watching them was that you hadn’t seen any but for Thane to properly comment he’d need to watch them twice but felt you had seen Capaldi’s more than once so he was being ironic.
I have a leedle feeling you were reading RTDfan’s comment and thought it applied to Thane when it was simply crossed wires. I’ve had to learn how to “spot the trolls” -something I thought I knew causing me some angst! So if you absolutely feel that he over-stepped a line, I shall be happy to slap him over d’head 😀
Puro
22 December 2018 at 12:47 #66883can I ask we treat each other with respect …and respect each others views, even mine, and keep the Forum friendly.
@RTDfan
I can totally be on board with that. In reading your post I think, yep, Tennant’s years were great and some were morality tales. There were a few straw men in Family of Blood, yes? 😀 Also part of the Doc is her using manners, understanding other views
So, I hope you didn’t see that as disrespectful -if so, my bad. I think @cathannabel said she applauded what I said -so maybe wires crossed 🙂
if you have already digested that lesson earlier in your life and deliver the results as part of your normal life you sometimes don’t see..
I think most people would argue it’s good to go over principles. Most of the Greek scholars wrote that “lessons don’t end. They can’t” and then there’s John Donne. Because you attended uni, you would have more knowledge about his satires than I would, certainly. I love education. Mum likes morality tales. They’re an expression of our core values, a friendly coalescing of our merits and demerits.
in that time I’ve learn’t a lot, both at school, college, and university, and I suppose that is the reason I can’t really engage in the new series with it’s in-your-face lessons….Jodie W. could be a great Doctor, let’s not start a huge debate as to whether she is or not…
I actually believe we do engage in debates about the new Doc -that’s why some of us are here 🙂 It’s true that the BBC as part of its culture was to educate -in Aus the ABC had that particular charter.
Thank you. G’night ya’ll. T16.
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22 December 2018 at 10:54 #66880As far as I can gather from posts, most of the recent episodes are a lesson in morals?
Are they? For me to understand that I’d need to watch them twice 🙂
As for “lessons in morals” I’m not sure what you mean?
Lessons in morals ARE what the Doctor does best and has thru every iteration including Whittaker’s.
You like morals don’t you? If you’re absolutely perfect then I guess you wouldn’t. As I explained upthread, at length, Tennant’s eps were Lessons In Morals. So were Capaldi’s -which, I believe, you would’ve watched at least once? Thane
22 December 2018 at 08:58 #66873@cathannabel I like The Day of the Doctor and The Time of the Doctor and The Name of.
That’s Who! For others, it’s gonna be Diehard 2 . When Bruce is around, you wanna hide from the automatic weapons. Thane
22 December 2018 at 08:12 #66871@RTDfan
they took me out and away from the pressures of the daily grind. They didn’t attempt to provide moral lessons or other points of political correctness that the current, and many of the recent, episodes have tried to do. Dr Who should not be a vehicle for certain people at the BBC to project their political views.
And you loved the Tennant years? 🙂
I thought they were pretty good too!
If you don’t like moral lessons or political correctness -the latter which someone taught me means “courtesy to others who may be different or actually might be completely the same” -then I’m wondering which Tennant episodes you could like?
It was long time ago for me: I was about 5 and then watched them again later. I don’t think you would like –
(in no particular order)
The Satan Pit
42
The Christmas Invasion
The one with the werewolf
Turn Left (where Wilf says “it’s happening again. Like the war!” The closest ep in that era dealing with the same right-wing bandits who think morals can’t be “too obvious. (not saying you believe that!)”
The Waters of Mars
Midnight
Utopia
Fires of Pompeii
Human Nature (remember Martha in this?)
Lazarus Experiment
Girl in the Fireplace
Daleks in Manhattan
Gridlock
New New earth
The Titanic One
Every one of them has moral ‘lessons.’ You know what I reckon? When there are no more lessons to be had then two things: 1) we don’t need them anymore or 2) or we think we’re too good for morality which is the beginning of some ‘end.’
I come home from my daily grind which I respect but mostly dislike and I want something chewy, tarnished or glowing, bedevilling, assailing, frightening, gloomy, chunky, wacky, timey-whimey, chatty, shocking, something making me grimace in disgust so it makes me stand up to attention. I want: seductive, gruelling, compelling, explanatory, narrating, descriptive, eclipsing all other things.
I want a frog when I have no earthly clue why! I want triangles and oozy seven stomachs with flesh eating moths and cloth eating spiders. I want to point and laugh at people who think its OK to build crap hotels on top of waste and hide their profits and then I want to witness against them.
And I love the Doc. Her lack of sadism, her acceptance of me -because if she accepts Ryan who can’t ride a bike and probably can’t kick a ball, then I know she’ll think I’m alright because I sweat rivers and it’s embarrassing. My eyes are different colours and my hair is curly, I have to shave and can’t drive and I stand by my religion but I dislike God sometimes so I think I could sit with Yaz’s gran and talk about it. I don’t have male role models as I’m 17. I have dad but Graham’s like my uber-dad: really awesome for 1 hour.
Everyone likes something about the show I reckon . Thanks for reading: Thane
21 December 2018 at 05:42 #66849thank you: but I think “admirable” is a tad too kind! And what if I become a horrendous person when I recognise trolls -or think they’re trolls? Then what? 😀
I guess, engaging is the problem.
I imagine they sit there on several hundred sites typing away, making an account, re-making several more: could explain the shocking spelling, lack of tagging, poor punctuation and the obvious elements of a show that over 50 years has been so complex and yet they still crap on about “3rd wave feminist” (are we in a 3rd wave?) and “race grievance merchants”?
What the HECK is the latter? Some idea that a particular culture has a fake grievance about….gee, being treated badly by said racists?
It’s all too much, mate (in the words of the irrepressible Cleaver Greene). I guess speaking out against them should be the thing to do but clearly, not. At one point one of the sock puppets said to Our Leader, “thank you, I’m not the one personally attacking.” As if “not engaging” with them was making them look good, to some degree.
Boy -h boy, it’s a confusing world for a woman with a baton who still plays CDs (I gave my vinyls away in 1989) and watches re-runs of Gilligan’s Island on a small colour TV that doesn’t have remotes and occasionally forgets the world possesses colour. Technology clearly isn’t the problem, it’s the people whispering or yelling behind it.
Lordy. I have baking to do and it’s 38 today. No way am I baking anything except myself .
Puro x
20 December 2018 at 03:32 #66840@winston @blenkinsopthebrave then there’s Polar Express. In its first release to DVD Thane watched it upwards of four times a day over several weeks and into the next Christmas. 😈
I’m now making him sit through it again. I like some of the associated attitudes of kindness, mystery and adventure, thoughtfulness etc. It’s been at least 11 years since I’ve plonked down on the sofa to watch it, with a glass of vino (or plonked with plonk). Most reviews seem to be positive but 56% RT isn’t a good sign. At that time there were no ‘metacritic’ analyses so it was good to see something independent of professional or amateur reviewers.
Winston: Just saw a trailer for Scrooged -never even heard of it before! Has Karen Allen AND it’s also a Richard Donner film -Lethal Weapon(s) and The Goonies (loved that one).
But Thane is rootin’ through Buffy and Angel. He was asking if there were Christmas episodes for Angel: I’ve seen all Angel eps once only so I can’t recall. On the other hand we’ve seen the Buffy Halloween and Christmas eps a few times now. 🙂
Pur-ox (I like the ‘ox’ imagery -what with my ahem, cough ‘slowness’ with the tedious trolls. I can imagine one or two Forum members doing a facepalm saying “How can she be SO stupid?” But I shall defend all stupid people: “I shall speak for all mediocrities! I am their champion. I am their patron saint. Mediocrities everywhere, I absolve you (Salieri).”
20 December 2018 at 02:55 #66838Aw shucks! I’ve been bloomin’ difficult! I have to thank everyone telling me, ooh, 5 times “no DON’T feed them” and I used to know what a troll was ! Or so I thought….
I have a clue what a sock-puppet is now –I thought it could be a good-person (I know, right?) like Cumquat who shows up once or twice and vanishes. Also @bluesqueakpip mentioned ‘persona’ and I thought, OK, a persona is a type of person, so a troll, ‘persona’ is someone who makes several copies of themselves (like cybermen); re-making accounts with the same grammatical mistakes and using the same repetitive hostility against the same groups whilst bleating on about “poor white males told we are The coward, or the stupids” when, erm, not surprisingly they can’t write. In English.
The in-box alert tells me what some of them have said -prior to deletion. So, who knows, maybe they’re very large White Russians (I prefer the drink, myself) attempting to derail whole systems. My nephew a graduate of the ASD, is a freelance techie of ‘parallel code’ (no idea what that is), traipsing around the world (in London recently) lecturing on code-breaking, new fire walls, hack prevention/ intrusion. Sounds terrifyingly complex to me but apparently he’s gifted.
Years ago, back in 2013, I was a so-called moderator on one of the first Forums dedicated to musicians here. Unfortunately we had no real detection policy and ended up having to fight massive fires between Classical ‘musicians’ ( I use that term to define those who are not interested in, or care about, music after 1925, for example) and others. After 6 months, ‘laws’ were put up (not by me -I had disappeared) with 19 rules. It became so rule-bound that the very people we were trying to reach went ‘quiet.’
This here, has to be one special Forum: the continuity of people and avatars (or names, I should say), the level of discussion where Pip, @idiotsavon @mudlark gave Thane advice regarding his philosophy when I was in hospital (in and out: mainly out) and where other conversations on the Solitract thread were incredibly complex, witty and thoughtful.
@craig I sound like Donna from The West Wing: You should be proud of what you’ve grown.
Purox
20 December 2018 at 02:10 #66834Oh, now, that IS weird. Yesterday’s conversation: “what film we gonna watch?
“Scrooge”
“yes, but I want diehard 2, or any die-hard film too. But I like the plane one.”
LOL.
20 December 2018 at 02:05 #66832@bluesqueakpip @idiotsavon @craig @jimthefish
Right. I’m a taaad slow. I wasn’t aware that that person had actually been on other threads -most of my thread boxes aren’t ticked. And I get it: if we respond that’s their win, not ours.
I always thought talking, nicely, would help. Would change …..something. Thing is, a troll’s a troll. Lawdy.
It be a slow tortoise but I be getting there in the end.
Puro
19 December 2018 at 13:21 #66816Yes, context indeed helps. Prior, Donna is the one ‘made’ to type all while looking at Josh as if he’s gone crazy.
The next day Josh explodes with you wouldn’t believe this but they answered and Donna says “oh no, REALLY?” Josh replies along the lines of “You have to answer, right away. Sit down, type this” etc.
And yes, she wanders past with a faint glare. A feint. It’s nice.
@clarkkent1967 I think if you read my post above I explained some wonderful things about the site; what I felt about the show and that it’s good to look around. I also said if you head to the Forum page and the Home page there’ll be links to every episode. It’s a very balanced discussion and I think you’ll find what you’re looking for. Some people have really enjoyed this season whilst others didn’t take to the last two years with Capaldi. I happened to have enjoyed both. I’m easy to please 🙂 So, as I said, welcome.
@janetteb I think Real Life tends to get in the way, doesn’t it? Not easy. I think Life is Busier than Ever. More news to watch, more to do, more to cook, to read, to weed….x
19 December 2018 at 11:39 #6679419 December 2018 at 11:36 #66793@pedant ah, OK, out of tune and out of time is a Vaclav Havel prose about hope and the Velvet revolution.
I think Capaldi would’ve appreciated Havel:
The redemption of humanity lies nowhere else than in the human heart, in the human power to reflect, in meekness and human responsibility….in time there is hope; tune can be applauded but sometimes run away from both.
19 December 2018 at 11:22 #66791@pedant I get it. I really do. But personal attacks like “You’re pathetic” etc doesn’t help the tone. And if it changes one mind, and it allows for other posters (of some note) to read, and to realise there are people who can use measured argument and discussion then it’s not feeding, to me. One feed is all they get from me. A drip feed: it’s giving them one shot.
Also, didn’t you mention once, though I could be wrong, that fascists should be told “NO” and, ahem, punched in the head? 🙂
Nasty repartee is bad -I wanted to avoid that. But I apologise to you and @craig for doing possibly the wrong thing entirely. I ‘tink it was the “pathetic” that did it. I’m many things but pathetic aint one! I can be a duffer, a buffer, out of choon, out of date, out of line, but pathetic -that’s too much 😀
Ah, see, this place has taught me to think, be curious, respect the others and 4 years ago was taught the urban word: ‘troll.’ I still have trouble, exactly, working out who they really are! Also on the Sofa, a little gift. You get to play Claudia! Puro and Thane.
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