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@blenkinsopthebrave -me too! It was a late night of telly watching for the Puro Crew

@mudlark Eyes, noses, next it’ll be ears! Glad your chest infection has diminished, however & thank you for the answer.

Puro

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@scaryb  your headline comment caused me to jump to this thought. For the wordsmiths out there & you know who you are – & @mudlark are you home yet?

I see this headline:

“thousands demonstrate against Climate Change.”

Is that the correct way to write: Climate Change is a THING & it’s bad so we protest
?  It could be read as “we’re protesting against it because it’s not real & our jobs are fading etc etc

Puro

 

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@scaryb

that’s brilliant to read Scary, thank you: hope you’re doing well.

Puro x

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I think Meddling Monk was mentioned?  🙂

So, I have to go with the Capt Obvious & apologies if it’s been done before!

Purox

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@cathannabel.  I’m  so sorry. It’s, as He says, sudden. And what a terrific talent she had!  This reminds me of news in Aus -a RC into Aged Care. The stories -the truths are horrible. But that’s for another day…a different discussion. She obviously inspired  many people and it’s wonderful to know that. What people are capable of, or were, once.

So, the Who Bunnies are up….Wigglin butts outta bed… (I actually googled “butts” because I’ve never known if it’s had two ‘tts’.) whilst we get ready for bed. A storm is a-brewing…. An actual one.

Then I thought of the softly softly of Gilmore…. considering the other ‘B….’ thing over your way that everyone is talking about and thinking about, we need something glorious.

 

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@cathanabbel

Equally sorry – and the Ogdon would’ve been marvellous.

Love to you all.

Puro and Thane

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@cathannabel

The Snarky Puppy has been driving me nuts. Not in the normal musical way. But that  Mad Dog reference (somewhere) when connected with Puppy made me think of: aircraft (a passion of mine and Thane’s of late after  his helicopter training session. Best not repeated due to needing millions to actually get the ticket!).

So, not Snarky Puppy but Angry Puppy referencing Mad Dog. Love me a call-sign.

Guess we all do? It’s the nature of the internet now that, back then, wasn’t anticipated beyond a small group of elite fly-men.

Puro (hope you & yours are keeping well, Cath. Thoughts spinning your way…..)

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@walruswho

I’m not surprised -the theme is history’s greatest, in my not-so-humble opinion 😉

There are many themes I really like & many of them aren’t huge melodic cycles but something a little different. Who fits that bill.

On a totally non-sci-fi subject, so does Sorkin’s major film The Social Network with composers Atticus Ross & Trent Reznor. Directed by another favourite David Fincher.

Puro and T16 (who aint 16 anymore) .Welcome to the site.

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@walruswho

Well, I’m speechless! That was some job. It’s such a terrific theme, isn’t it?

So, you could also be “who-doo Gurus” 🙂   (after the Australian band, the Hoodoo Gurus).

Puro

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was on youtube (& survived) & I found a set of little eps on “easter eggs’ in DR Who. Incl Flatline, the Day of, The Time of, Family of Blood, the time when Oswin first appears. I should link to it.

Of them all, I remember only 3. That’s terrible!

Good fun.

Puro

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@whisht

I see what you mean about his writing and the prose.

@blenkinsopthebrave it’s worse than a farce, isn’t it, this ‘administration’? Maybe one day we’ll  wake up and realise it was all a dream 🙁

Puro.

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@craig

I have a Marie Cooper from the US  ‘army’ giving me her private email wanting to reveal information 🙂

Puro.

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@whisht  @pedant

It’s funny that real people in the ACTUAL UK watched Mind Your Language or Are you being Served?  🙂

My dear Mum loved those shows. Gawd.

I was waiting till she mentioned this adoration to my year 5 teacher who was born in London and arrived in her mid-30s, husband and two children in tow. Boy, on PT evening Mrs Boski give me and mum a ‘look.’ One of those that teachers have in their repertoire (the thousand yard stare) and which I learnt to use with no fucks given.

Mum did love Pamela Stephenson (not Rowan Atkinson). Two days ago, with McEnroe commentating on the Australian Open, Thane checked YT and McEnroe’s antics. One game was more ballistic than usual. He did the “you’re incompetent” routine but it was actually scary when the ballistic was upped to DEFCON 1 as McEnroe stomped around, screaming at the ump: “ANSWER. THE.  GODDAMN. QUESTION!!”  He was a bit of a wanker.

NTNON was terrific. Aaaand speaking of Stephenson and NTNON….

@whisht, you did post that lovely choon before, and please do any of those again. My father was an exceptional piano accordionist. If I hear a concertina or any bellows-driven instrument, vivid memories emerge ….my parents inviting people from the Czech club for dessert, where they’d down cheap tequila shots sucking on salt and lemon by the truckload and then singing hideously out of tune.puro

I had my own accordion  -a  fart weapon – used when it was 2 am -it  would clear a room (or party) in 5 minutes. Eventually I could actually fart musically (to be fair I was seven).

Prof Longhair I knew from blues and strings … I googled this and realised he died in 1980, January 30.

This post has extended itself like Hermione Granger’s extendable bag -but most of that was hidden!

Puro.

 

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@whisht

That’s very interesting! It has a punk feel but it’s the chord structure & refrain which is REALLY interesting. That ‘twiney’ steel sound, lots of heavy bass, a deep voice, niiice chord changes which go somewhere different than you think.  @pedant @geoffers

I have another ear worm -more so a need to resolve what it is that makes 80s and 90s music sound so very particular. I have to look into it more. Various papers discuss different periods of music; individual bands or even cities which produce such bands but I’ve not yet encountered a thesis on the definitive feel of the 1980s produced by groups like Devo or Crowded House which is interesting.  I think you may’ve encountered Cold Chisel through Ian Moss or Jimmy Barnes?  Ian Moss, in his debut album, Matchbook (which won an absolutely deserved award) wrote one of the best songs of the era in Tucker’s Daughter.

Other Cold Chisel songs include ‘No Sense’ which has a funky & gripping bass cross-matching Barnes’ high vocal line. Good stuff.

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@janetteb that is bloody awful! “Bloody” tends to be quite an Aussie thing, says Thane. I remember various people shouting “bloddy hill.” 🙂

45 degrees is no joke. It’s not easy to stay cool, here, but you’re far worse off.

I know Thane purchased a $2 pkt of ice and tipped it the bath to have an ice bath. Yeah, right. The so-called cold tap water is basically warm water and measured at 30C. How nuts is that! Modern housing tends to keep the pipes closer to the surface so naturally they bake in the hot sun.

@geoffers @whisht @pedant there’s a clicky on music thread -only if you want, mind. But you might’ve better things to do -or listen to – at any rate. @geoffers you’ve given me some terrific listening hours. Much appreciated.

Puro

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@ltia

Lovely name, btw. It’s a great place. We’re not AS busy as we were a few weeks ago – can’t believe the NY special was nearly a month ago.

Welcome, you’ll have a blast

Thane16 and Puro

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@geoffers

I know! Saying “something is SO easy” is a bit like me saying to Thane “listen, this the ‘doh’ pitch and THIS is the ‘sol -mi’ sound. It’s easy just SING it.”

See, this is what happens when I try to be funny?  Smiley faces or emojis are confusing. Some people use them first to write “hey, this is HILARIOUS” whilst others add them in order to end a divisive or confusing conversation -divisive isn’t the word. Maybe to ensure harmony, to prevent antagonism? I know I try to use it the first way, but occasionally not. Sooo, I was hoping to show that the statement “it’s easy!” is quite ridiculous!

It’s one of those ear worms isn’t it? It’s made me crazy. I see a few horror movies with Thane and a lot of them show some weird ‘moving thing’ under the skin. Gives me goosebumps. It’s possible I have an actual worm…..

I’m scaring myself now!

Puro

xx

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@whisht

I didn’t mind The Veronicas. Also Katie Noonan. Not a band -front singer from jazz to what people round about call ‘Indie’ moosic.

Just googling there is a terrific name of a Bris/Logan band: Fat Mans Cleavage  😀  Lovely!

Puro.

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@ichabod

I made an error! I think I meant another movie with ‘money’ in it? Actually, no, it’s Molly’s Game?

It looks really good! But I might catch MoneyBall too.

I am interested in some films that capture elements of American culture: I remember when I first heard Paradise by The Dashboard Light. Has so many American elements. A nation very different to our own one -back then I would say?

Thank you. T16

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@ichabod

Are you’re back!! I will tell Mum that. I really wanted to see it? Dad watched it & was not that impressed? Mum loves Bill Nighy. We all do.  Right now, I should be on another thread but I was watching out for the new Sorkin film called Moneyball. Have you seen that at all? I think it is on disc by now.

T16  and happy new year to you!!

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@geoffers

That’s the argument against a lot of music, isn’t it? Just how impenetrable it can be. Despite trying, JM Jarre wasn’t easy for me. Oxygene’s brilliant. But after 30 mins I panic and freak out. I find the intense orchestration and lack of pitch variation monotonous. Obviously I was hated for this opinion! “Ah, Puro you are SO lite! You and your Mozart and Haydn. Don’t you just die for Mahler?”

Ok, that was from a film I loved. But still. Music needs melodies that rise and fall. History shows us those are passed down and repeated. I was thinking of Twisted Sister’s We’re not Gonna Take It now used by the foul Clive Palmer in his “Vote for the UAP!”  but naturally changing the scansion so it sounds a little like @pedant‘s favourite film where Bill Nighy (don’t mention that vapid dude who’s in love with a girl who’s just married his best mate) tries to add an extra syllable to a song that was once a hit.

Speaking of Nighy….there’s a strange series -an Agatha Christie – starring the venerable Nighy  that looks  horrorific. Has it been well received in the UK?

Puro

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Ah, TRB, Tran Stacey. Niiice. I mean, Stan Tracey -links with Ambler etc. Very talented pianists. Parents were considered pretty far right conservative in the late ’80s and Ambler  against advice, played for the TRB for a few gigs “just temp, mind, lads, OK?” and ended up staying for awhile

@whisht That’s a terrific story!  The da-da duh in particular was very cool.  @pedant same. Except Plaistow Patricia is one I don’t know at all and thus would’ve been obliged to play it. The Plaistow is the cooking chocolate, no?

I see there have been many words written by Thane! I think he’s exaggerating a little. I wasn’t locked in the study for hours -well, a couple, here and there. I have old tapes there ….and he’s let that cat out of the bag. But I have internet and… I know the song.

Shall I tell it?

OK. I won’t. Not yet. Thank you @whisht Brisbane’s only band except for Savage Garden who were technically Brisbanish though lived in less auspicious Loganholme. Shit they never looked that good at school, for sure. Their one and only album was a bit ‘meh.’

So, @geoffers that has been fun AS (something teens say, they never finish the sentence. A little like “Good, but.”).

Clues. You need clues.

It’s hot.

It’s forev-AH (big clue).

No chicks because of the grunt.

Band of blokes.

Drumming on tables

Beach in the background.

Aaaaand the word “cold.”

Come ON! This is easy!! 🙂

Puro

PS: Final Clue. Worth a loss of 10 points? Yes?

The main guy doesn’t live in Australia very often. Mainly where you are. And, if you listen to J…ah… him, talk, you’ll realise he’s quite “English.” or British.

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@pedant @geoffers @whisht

I have heard this too! But it wasn’t a grocery store -or any ‘real’ store but a chiropractor and physio’s HQ. The music they played was that 20th century stuff mum loves. Not nice listening & a lot of screechy violins. Maybe they think if the patients can deal with the music they can handle the pain of a ‘cracked back.’ I always seem to have my back cracked, or my pelvis and my ankles and finger joints are always cracking; I used to crack them (stupid) when I was 6 or 7 & kept being told it could be bad if I didn’t stop.

Not sure I listened the first or the third time but I do now 🙂

I have a feeling I’m also close to cracking this case…..

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@pedant

Ri3hT!  It is a question I didn’t consider. A grocery store has an actual channel. And it’s an AUs store.  So….they would consider their market, how many songs they re-play & why & which is more likely to be played in the first place?

T16

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also, its not Alphaville’s Forever Young. I thought of this originally thinking I had nailed it. I think a few  years ago the New Zealand and Australian travel organisations or even the NZ government used that song to advertise the country as a tourist destination.

T16

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@geoffers That’s terrific! I haven’t experienced much ’90s music? But I will now look at much more. Actually Mum would reckon that she’s heard a lot of music from the 90s which she also likes a lot: I didn’t know that! The APP sounds like a terrific band and in listening to some last night (during the tennis) I think it’s like Pink Floyd but not ‘lite’ -I think they’re as good? I know about 8 songs of Pink F. Such an awesome band. So good that it’s like heavy clever rock music that’s hard to understand.

Thank you to  both @whisht and to @geoffers for your assistance! @whisht I’m glad that I am able to provide you with a good laugh! Sometimes, dunno about you, but every new year there’s resolutions and excitement and then there’s an anticlimactic period just before school/work ? So this is keeping me occupied!

I think, I can’t be sure -and I just woke up – but I heard a happy shriek and mum laughing happily with lots of w00s and wows I got it -sort of thing?

So, just now when I came up she looked like a cat with cream! So, she also said she wasn’t going to tell me. I have to work it out 🙁  But if you’re also happy to keep figuring it out, then brilliant!  We’re in it together. I’ll summarise what I know (or think I know because if Mum said the above things they may not be true -they may be what she thought was right at or in that moment!)

– high pitch (maybe women maybe high-pitch fellas##)

-fast or quick in tempo which means pace

– for-ev-ah (could mean NOT American sounding)

-something to do with drinking beer probably in a pub or set in a pub or feels like it

-possibly Australian (where she said “in this particular country therefore bars & if 80s therefore NOT women/chicks”##)

-in & around the 1980s

-features some drumming.

But, here’s something else. She said to Dad “say it again”. Dad never says (former DS in the Essex area a long, long time ago) “murder a cold one.” So, he KNEW it (maybe: can’t check, he’s sleeping) or maybe said that because it’s been very hot and steamy so maybe mum reacted to a DIFFERENT word, not “a cold one” but “murder” or another word in that phrase  such as “cold” -but not a drink that’s cold? Maybe a person or a …..thing…. She says it is right there in front of us so I think if I did get her laptop it could be right there. But she’s listening to a guy I really like, Tim Minchin on the laptop and humming away, no more worries about ‘which song’ anymore. Lucky her!

T16.

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Ok. I have clues.

she was watching tennis & dad said “I could murder a cold one.”

No-one said anything. He never says “murder” this … She says, “say it again. SLOWLY.”

So he says:  “I could murder a cold one.”

“something about THAT mixed with “for-ev-a being pretty high up so maybe women but the grunt, there’s too much grunt. But it’s a high grunt.” She wanders off.

Dad has his ginger beer. And Mum is back staring at the beer. There’s water dribbling down -condensation?

Then, at the table she starts drumming a beat. And stops….

And says, “there’s drumming and there’s a drink. It’s cold. It’s got grunt. Serious grunt. There’s only one country that has serious grunt in music. With a drink. And if it’s this particular country. It’s a bar. And if it’s the ’80s it aint chicks.”

And she went to bed. But she believes she’s very close to cracking the case.

I have no idea. My plan is to nick her laptop. It has 1106 songs on it from her old ipod. I think it’s on there?  Depends how they are organised. Also she’ll know if it’s gone thru the night and there’ll be gnashing of …something. Best pause. Or delete my browser thingy (because the Doctor says this).

She kept tapping on the wall, on the stairs, trying to get the rhythm and saying “for-ev-ah.”

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@geoffers @whisht

With a lot of grog on hand (she’s allowed now on account of her teeth…long story).

We have crossed Tom and Mr Parson’s off the list (but it looks like there’s no apostrophe). Unfortunately. They were awesome songs and I personally haven’t heard them before. Through the door I gave her a bar piece (a sentence of music) and she shouted “NO!!”

Sigh.

However, we’re closer. She’s pretty certain it was relatively high in pitch implying women’s voices but not really, as I’ve said many many times now to her! Also it had a “poppy feel”. I think this means “pop.”  The tempo was ‘up’ or quick.

Thing is, there are many songs with forever in it. She has tapes of songs. Stacks of them. But. They’re in battery operated tape decks? So when the battery runs out…..well, hopefully we’ll know by then.

I also think she was singing in the night -she said  . So it had to be a band she knew enough of. Therefore she has it in her bag of tapes. Or CDS. And when she heard it (I asked these questions): she said it wasn’t a huge surprise, it was like “oh that ol’ choon. Like that. Where’s the icecream?” Also she heard a kind of “for-ev-a.”

So, I am trying to think of something that sounds like “for-ev-a da daaah. Which is, I dunno, she’s thinking it has an ’80s feel. Which could mean it’s 1978 or 1990. Which isn’t all bad. Uh, also the actual song had SOME grunt which is why she thought it could be Laura Brannigann or another singer (female) called Belinda Carlisle. But they are solo, no?

So, I think by the next series of Who we’ll figure it all out. Or, and I think this is quicker: the Coles radio station (supermarket) plays the same sort of songs to people ….well, Mum’s age: therefore 80s music AND so ….why not stay there a WHOLE day because 20 to 1 and pick ’em you’ll hear it again    😀

T16. I will inform Mother of the Activity. She will be very thankful.

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@whisht

The Music Man is Back! it is thane speaking. Mum is excited to see this thread hopping!!

She was telling in @pedant in Email Bursts (that is what we call them) about how at grocery shops she heard a song from the 1980S which had the words “forever” in it. 24 hours later she thinks it is Kiss song ‘Forever’  which is hilarious because they sound either really tired stoned maybe and out of tune the whole time. Mum was saying they’re sharp not flat which is why she thinks it’s not that song!  Also, she’s established that it’s not Alphaville. Shame because it’s a good song and it’s better than Richard Marx! (I hope I haven’t offended any Marx lovers?)

I think she’s going demented with all of it. It’s been lots of eyeliner and massive perms and rollers with high cut denim. She’s been listening to every significant band and not since 1979 until 1989 including: The Cars, REO SpeedWagon, Van Halen,  Savage Garden (she taught one of those guys & not from the 80s obviously), Europe, Chicago, Motley Crue, Cheap Trick, REM, Ann Wilson (??)  -don’t know that one unless it’s Wilson Phillips but that’s not in the 1980s , Belinda Carlisle (LOVE her!), Roxette,  Def Leppard, Bon Jovi and MY personal favourite Black Sabbath’s ‘After Forever.’ Then there’s some dude called Peter Cetera? He sounds like a front man for another band, but  I don’t know. I can’t risk going into the music room -she’s doing what she calls a palette cleanser for music and listening to Tom Lehrer -all that Bostonian accent. It’s too much! We are going to have to do an “intervention” if she’s not solved the problem by tomorrow.  Also, if it’s The Spice Girls then we’re all going to regret this whole thing!

How are you doing @whisht?

I am glad you liked those songs. I think there are SO many great songs. particularly in the 1980s, but I also think the same of the 1970s and ’90s. A lot of people think “this generation has terrible music” but in 2022 people will pull out songs from 2012 or 2019 and say, “these were great days.”  Maybe that’s why the new Doctor Who was SO different: it alienated (LOL) some older watchers because a lot was very new and very different. And we all know how ‘different’ things can frighten people. If they’re frightened they can become angry to hide that fear. Seems normal in a way. Maybe we were always like this?

But it takes incessant technology where you respond before you think to have that fright and anger come out?   I like The Moody Blues too. So does Mum. That was obviously on the list regardless of the decade which in updates is: “Could well be the wrong decade.”

In which case we’re up sh*t creek with no paddle surrounded by alligators wearing rollers!

Bit heavy for this thread, hey?  😉

Thane16

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@missy

‘fraid I don’t know about that one….

I have an enquiry, seeing as I love Laura Linney but not so much Jason Bateman who appears to be in everything, does anyone find The Ozarks appealing? This is the actual Netflix series -not the place.

Puro

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@kevinwho

Puro here. I didn’t know there are vague prophecies trotted out for finales. The prophecy was a clever algorithm, explained as such and used sensibly to explain why the young Doctor wanted to “run” in the first place. He left because of what he heard.  The regeneration energy was established BG but in AG Who it was used in The Christmas Invasion. The 10th Doctor lost his hand, it grew back, Torchwood nicked it and it hung around there for awhile until Barrowman’s character heard the familiar Tardis wheezing,  grabbed it and off he went: hand in hand. So the 13th can easily drop onto a train and repair any broken bones and bruises. To cram that dialogue in it wouldn’t work with a group of humans who don’t know who you are anyway.

The telepathic circuitry was used repeatedly by most show runners – Martha/Doctor in The Family of Blood; The Frontier in Space (I remember this as it was Delgado’s last Master and orchestrated by Dudley Simpson). Later, Idris uses her own circuitry to ensure Rory finds an old, battered control room by using mental pictures. Like so:

IDRIS:
(laughs) Your chin is hilarious! (pinches the DOCTOR’S chin then looks at RORY) It means the smell of dust after rain.

RORY:
What does?

IDRIS:
Petrichor.

RORY:
But I didn’t ask.

IDRIS:
Not yet. But you will.

Notably when the Doctor becomes extremely angry -such as when SmithDoc was laughed at by Angel Bob he starts  to formulate a complex plan. Keeping the Angels talking. 🙂

In Resolution she’s already spoken to the Dalek via a microphone that would be part of the circuitry designed to spook any intruder. And the Daleks live to intrude.

When the recon scout laughs, that’s when she gets into action using “texting” but in this case it’s closer to FaceTime.  She says: biotracking fused to holo-projection” or “my mad TEXT skillz.”

I know very little about this real technology but I know it’s out there. 😉

Puro.

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I was watching Twitter on my own. I thought I was watching the new “type” of Brexit deal of your PM? It was the vote for the Irish Backstop which would be left in the hands of the UK rather than the EU? (I feel bad I don’t know this part better!).

I’m now listening to people talking about the possible vote against your PMs plan- which, I heard on TV today already that it was an “outrageous deal with a huge majority vote against her policy.” This from Channel 7 and 9 where they show the Australian Open which we watch this time every year. And that’s why I was following it.

Except we are having arguments with Dad’s rellies in parts of London who voted Brexit and it made me furious. It’s hard for me to speak to them & nothing I say will change their mind because “you’re 17, what do you know about how the immigrants are flooding what England once was! We’ll have a country with black faces, terrorists planning to blow us up and councils saying “sure put up that synagogue or mosque but not a Christian church.” ” What can you do? Family eh. Can’t kill ’em & can’t love ’em.

Also, I think Andy Murray retired from tennis yesterday? Maybe not? To all Scots @soundcloud and @jimthefish sad day for tennis but he had a terrific innings and yesterday two sets down he won the next two sets even though his hip injury -an avulsion bruise/fracture was obvious through the whole match. Thank you for reading.

T16

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@archaicwhovian

I think the cyberman (wood) was a long, long time ago on Trenzalore? The cybermen sent many different things to stop Trenzalore so the Doctor simply never left.

@kevinwho

I think a lot of us ‘make up’ things as we see the consequences of something that’s occurred. I liked Sherlock & the way we saw the first thing which happened and then the resolution -we didn’t always see ‘how’ they fixed something but we know they did. And because we’d seen the ‘how’ before, many times, we didn’t need to. But I understand how you might feel about this. Thank you for your explanation!

@miapatrick congrats on the 1st (had to ask mum what that was) who said darkly, “something you will never, ever get.” Sorry, but the way she said it was quite funny and she did laugh but then said “that is very, very difficult.” S, well DONE!!

T16

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@kevinwho

I think the 1st one (the train) doesn’t need an explanation. It’s been the case since at least 2006 that the Doctor ‘cooks’  so any burns & bruises are sorted out with extra regeneration energy. When SmithDoc gave his regeneration energy to River to fix her hand & also to stop her dying? I think the planets were put back in orbit using the Ux energy field as well as anything Doc did. The people had died but the planets could not share the same time/space so she fixed that & explained how it was done. As Puro said this Doc is a “gabby” one. She explains at huuuge speed what she’s doing By watching it on catch-up TV we get the subtitles which helps a lot.

An instant fix could sound like a Dues Ex Machina but I remember how TenDoc didn’t use this device  ‘pulling’ all the planets back into line near the end of his era with everyone helping. When Smith was on Trenzalore he knew, after a few hundred years how to sort the enemies: the wood cyberman or the Weeping Angels and even the Daleks but the 13 new lives were first used to kill all the Daleks & was explained in story how & why this occurred.

 

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@miapatrick

I think you said that really well. & I would agree, personally.

Also, as we’re on the Sofa, Mum was asking how your study is doing? Have you finished & do you have a lot more to do?

T16.

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@janetteb

Oh dear. Not good is it?  think of Malcolm Fraser & how he decried the behaviour and polices of our more recent Libs/Nat Parties and the “shell that is left of once good & balanced opposition” Even Gough Whitlam for many a decade despising Fraser grudgingly respected this new ‘statesman.’  Both shared an admiration for the stunningly clever, counter-intuitive H.V Evatt -his Wiki article has some notable mistakes, though. I never warmed to PM Turnbull but I’m embarrassed when I watch the economic shenanigans of Scott Morrison.

In SA, decades ago, gardens patiently waited for April rains. Schools used bore water for ovals but attempting to water the Barossa now -having it shipped in -is plain awful.  The farming situation worries me horribly. I may’ve mentioned that dad regularly took me to his friend’s farm: two rooms with a dirt floor, swept daily, immaculately ironed, faded kitchen curtains where rain leaked from the roof every winter. During the garlic and ginger harvest the children stayed home & worked.  There was little money in such backbreaking work.

At 13, I was shocked.  These were lovely Czechs who hadn’t any good fortune for many years. My parents crossed the oceans with them in ’50 but maintained the connection. After he died, I found Dad had quietly given them money &  toys for Christmas.  The small things but it isn’t always enough.

My garden always looks spindly til March. Yesterday I gave in and pruned 80% of everything to stave off dehydration. A purge is always good!

Cheers, Puro

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@miapatrick

Elsewhere in the episode a waitress tells them to leave. All we can be certain of the other customers is complicity. Are they silent out of shock for who has walked into the place? Or out of tension for what they know is about to happen? The episode essentially shows three attitudes: overt racism, complacency/indifference to racism, and anti racism. That is, in fact, the range that exists.

@kevinwho

consider me a lost cause please, and don’t try to convince me

That’s a concern, isn’t it? That you think you’re a “lost cause?”  🙂   I think @miapatrick said some extremely interesting points, though. The people within the state who upheld Jim Crow were, in a very short time, in a very short screen-play, complicit with racist beliefs.

Upon re-watching  ‘Rosa,’ it merited interest because of the nature of history required in pursuit of legitimate aims. People complicit with Jim Crow, whether the young waitress, the bus-drivers, the sheriff of the County and the couple whose husband slapped Ryan threw us, deeply, into the mess of the 1950s. I, for one, recall how Medgar Evers and MLK said  to groups of listeners, “if you think racism in the deep south was changed only because of the work in the early 1960s you have one helluva history lesson to learn.”

This was that History. Mum mentions being in Alabama in 1979 and every single person she met -with grandpa -who was obviously European  -was racist, nasty and sarcastic. They stayed a week and met not one single kind, compassionate person -they were all too scared of offending the racists.  To be there, is to know that. Now, perhaps other people with European fathers and mothers and with sons and not daughters didn’t feel that way -but it certainly was a lesson she never forgot. And neither did grandpa. He’d worked against fascists and against Communists in the 1940s/50s and so this experience shook him. He was a voracious learner, an engineer, a successful salesman but in Alabama he was “wog or dirty Jew” whilst mum, at 13, was a “whore.” In 1979!

I think we needed the story -not because it was representational, only, but because it showed a time which was intentionally subjective. Also, it needed to use time travel to prove how effecting change right there and then would’ve blown the boycott’s plan wide open. And held things back, too long.

T16  (thankyou for reading)

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@rougecyberman

Yep, Brisbane is nice but very hot. Recently, we were almost in NSW 🙂 At Springbrook -hadn’t been there before. Terrific lagoons, waterfalls, masses of blue & green glow-worms and on that property some seriously large echidnas. Spikey, cross things -especially if you don’t let them get to breakfast early!

We have a whole year without Who, so it looks like I’ll be re-visiting some old Who and some recent Capaldi Who (not that recent but it feels like 8 or 9 months ago).

Some people really liked Heaven Sent and Hell Bent & I did too. Having said that I really enjoyed this past series -I was a bit worried but I really like the guy from The Chaser and was very impressed with his character. There were a few mis-fires (tiny ones for me) but I looked forward to it. It was fast and flexible. I remember Old Who on videos where everything seemed very, S L O W   🙂

I think that was TV back in the 60s. I love old movies -Guess Who Came to Dinner, It’s a Wonderful Life, Rope, The Birds and Mr Smith Goes To Washington so a slow pace is something I enjoy .  I sound like my dad now but the erratic editing on many shows and the very quick dialogue doesn’t seem easy to follow. It does not always allow us to reflect on what we’re hearing but I felt Dr Who this past year did -mostly.

T16.

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@rougecyberman

Love that handle! Awesome! (more creative than mine, for sure). I’m sure you’ll have a great time. There’s a lot to see and do, discuss and theorise and some of us have become real friends, which I believe is a really good thing. I’m not a very technological person -I update facebook once a year 🙂 but I could always use this forum easily. Some other forums or platforms are actually very difficult to navigate -this one isn’t!

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would love to make some friends in Australia

@misslegaleagle  @blenkinsopthebrave  As Mr B mentioned, the episode you are after Miss Legal, is Extremis. Boy, are we in extremis here, of late.

Puro and I are from Brisbane. I myself haven’t been to Long Island. The other day, before our holiday where we had to share the home with bright red rosellas and blue kookaburras (not to forget the snorting echidnas who live on termites -we have a couple in our own garden precisely so they can eat the nasty fiery red ants and blue/green ants which are 4 inches in length and if bitten by one & an  antidote isn’t administered immediately, fingers, toes or noses become a fiery red (hence the name) and can become gangrenous.

Prior to going away I took the pet kangaroo, named Lightning, on the bus and fortunately had a muzzle for it -due to new laws. A lady on the bus had her baby crocodile but without a muzzle & I’m pretty sure she was fined. In the end she was allowed to put him in the middle of the bus where the surf boards are usually kept. There were so many wallys with boards the Council (we don’t have a government in Brisbane to speak of -a Lower House only and no Upper House at all which is different to other states and territories of this Commonwealth: we still have to pay a large amount for the Queen’s purse -hence the lack of proper governance).

Across the road a woman has exceeded the amount of wallabies allowed as domestic pets (it’s 12 and i’m pretty sure she has 14) but we, personally, have at least 5 very dangerous brown snakes as well as hordes of toads.  The Council is begging the crocodile owners to feed them toads as they’ve come much further south than originally intended. I’ve started a small business selling toads to the croc and wallaby owners at 5 bucks a pop. Also, in our home, and in many around Brisbane, there are no full walls around each house -it’s far too hot.

Screens over windows slow down any decent breeze but one has to be careful because the possums will wander right in. Worse, are the scrub turkeys. They are triple the size of normal turkeys weighing the same as a large greyhound dog. They particularly like going thru the entire pantry and some have actually succeeded in opening fridge doors. Dad put a padlock on the fridge -it’s not really a fridge in the modern sense? It’s more a meat safe for keeping meat, milk and other things fresh for a week.

We bring ice up from below the spit or builder’s areas and by digging can find not only fresh water but water-cooled droplets which keep most things from going off – providing we use tons of salt for preservation. There are few rate/council payments because we have to dump our own waste using compost heaps for recycling garden waste -specifically coming from papaya trees and mangoes.

These two fruits together, when made into a paste, are effective for any bite or sunburn and when applied liberally, keep the mozzies, flies and huge dragon-flies away. The last have a spectacular blue hue but are growing larger by the year. I saw one carry a small cat away to its den. Shouldn’t complain as cats  are considered feral and it’s acceptable to mow them down when necessary.

My neighbour has started a ‘Preserve the Feral Cats’ Movement but without any technology to spread the word, it’s going to take a long time. Certain species of mushrooms are very useful as an unguent for any poisons from Dart Ferns which have evolved into a clever species of flora in order to protect themselves from the hungry wallaby and kangaroo Mammalia.

Anyway, that’s about it for now!

T16.

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@bluffme

Gidday. Welcome from Oz. I think the BBC is strapped for funds. It isn’t like the channels or the huge production areas available in the US. Even Aus’ own series are 6 hour long-shows. The most loved, Rake, didn’t come out each year & had 7 or maybe 8 eps when it did. The TV shows you’ve mentioned have millions -not just in production but each episode, of a show like The Blacklist costs over 1 million bucks an episode. I don’t think it’s 1 million pounds for an entire 10 ep run of Doctor Who -I read up about it once & noticed I was surprised.

Thank you T16

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@winston sure was. Thank you. I hope you don’t fall too often. Makes for a fun anecdote from mum & others but the bruises take a while to go away I reckon 😉

Thane16

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@pedant

Mum’s apologies Mr P, she didn’t read the first post correctly &around that time she was experiencing some dental problems which led to the DrDentist prescribing some codeine in what is labelled in ‘Straya “Mersyndol, forte” which is  codeine + even more codeine. One reason why she liked swimming in 15 degree water -it numbed her mouth.

Sincerely, T16.

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@seeoswald

Like I said, repeating myself for some reason…

You might consider not doing that.

Puro

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@blenkinsopthebrave being from Bris, you’ve done this trek many-a-time so we decided to do something unprecedented! Take a holiday which involved considerable driving and renting a lovely home -self catered – in Springbrook. On the first evening after a massive fry up  – – @pedant ignore this: think, instead, of mushrooms -ah, nope, hang on, not them because mushrooms eat people -fresh green vegetables and unsugared lime juice – –  Thane and I walked around part of the Springbrook National Park.

Back at the house in the gloaming we saw a huge echidna -as the mist rolled in quickly we headed  indoors & listened to several kookaburras. They had tiny, blue tipped wings? Also, a 2 metre lizard & some rosellas I’d not seen in years: feathers in vivid magenta, amethyst, bright emerald, neon orange and gold.

Then, the scrub turkeys plonked along the steel balcony using their feet-boots to knock away the parrots so the turkeys, rightful heirs of the Gallifreyan High Council, could dine immediately.

The next day, & this is the alarming bit: yes, it was 6 degrees cooler and very little sun pierced the canopy shrouded with epiphytes and wallaby monkeys but I walked for 12 kms that day from about 11.30 am till 8 pm -with occasional down time (code for gasping, sweating profusely & periodically checking for leeches & blood sucking arachnids).  At the base of the hike you walk through caves with millions of opalescent glow worms, pass under several rhyolite caves from which icy, crashing waterfalls descend into the reward: a huge lagoon at the bottom.

Later, Thane was keen to hop off bridge with relatively shallow, sedate waterfalls; perhaps 30 or so in the vicinity & with water so fresh it was delicious. Phone-camera in hand I fussily directed Thane to “stand here & move there, look attentive” but without any warning, I flopped down 5 metres of a smaller waterfall into another cavernous deep lagoon. And the phone was undamaged!  A miracle!  Me? Dorkiness & a few scratches.

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I was born in 1967 which makes me 51 and one thing I know, @bluesqueakpip m’dear, and understand, is just how much work the arts ‘creates’ -and that was back in the late 90s and into the 00’s.

TV is even harder. I’d say next to politics working in television certainly ages a person considerably -not necessarily in looks but as noticed in the general chat people like CC, PC, MS, ah, hang on, Peter Capaldi, Chibnall, Moffat,  Whittaker offer -they describe with excellent adjectives how tired they are and what a long rest they need. I remember looking at Tennant’s video diary and comparing him later, in 2009 with 2006 and he had aged, physically: all that running? All that night shooting…

There appears to be a brat hereabouts? Thing is, this brat is also 51.   😀

@pedant you definitely said “mum.” Your ex-mum? Or….never mind, that’s me mis-reading something…. Must head to pub. I had a life this past week. An actual life. I now need a camera that’s not 12 years old and a phone….no, a phone isn’t really a camera. It’s OK but not that great as I discovered falling down a water-fall. Honestly? I thought I was a gonner. I wasn’t! It was, I have to say, a bit of a thrill, because I can handle strong water.  It took me a leedle while to find which way was up but I saw an eel (urgh) and followed it up to the sun.

To the Pub! And @blenkinsopthebrave has books… brilliant.

Puro

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@kevinwho

It’s hard I know, I was doing it too. As @pedant said “ignore” because there’s absolutely no point. They aren’t listening, they’re clueless, they don’t tag people and they don’t respond rationally. These types never do.

Cheers, Puro.

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Of course I aint sayin’ they’re both good at all 🙂

Andy Mackay has some ‘nice’ comments about Godley and Crème.

It reminded me of the Doctor, in one way, because: “it was a minor skirmish by the Doctor’s blood soaked standards.”  The song is minor in skirmish, with little drama.

And to Ray Sawyer’s passing. A man who was both good and wore an eyepatch: why he never found The Silence.

Puro

 

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well, well, well.

I was listening to some choons over the new year and I found a great one for the Doctor -the one who has danced, who always dances. But then I also found this courtesy of the ABC.  Which for different reasons is also good for the Doctor.

Puro.

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