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    @kevinwho

    Politics has been a focus in Doctor Who since inception.

    Thane said it nicely when with “politics always matters always all of the time.” So, it’s not about wallowing in politics it’s about acknowledging what politics does for us all. The 2nd set of Hartnell episodes explored this. During the Capaldi era we had the Zygons. Some episodes with Mat Smith were written against the back-drop of U.S. politics. I don’t think Who’s shied away from that but it’s allowed children to enjoy the stories they are seeing whilst adults (or learned children, aged 13+) recognise a different layer (but it doesn’t require nuance, necessarily).

    Puro.

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    @jimthefish

    I liked that link on the web site page. I think nekrosys would’ve benefitted too.

    Certainly there’s a difference between sarcasm -the jumpy-man’s wit- and good irony, real wit, burlesque, lampooning and sharpness. I love words!

    And also, music.  @blenkinsopthebrave  Absolutely, Where Eagles Dare is spectacular. We watch it every Christmas (that’s Mr Puro’s choice along with any Frank Capra and for me, The Christmas episodes of Die Hard 🙂 Thank you for writing about the Dyer book. I will most definitely find that as a leedle gift for the Puro Head of The House (because, as you know, I believe in the HOH most sincerely, when I’m trying to be satirical, or lampooning something or even just being very silly indeed!)

    And we all need a good Christmas holiday. It is going to be very hot here with humidity between 75 and 99% in the past 4 weeks. Puro x

    @idiotsavon At last mum and I are in the same time zone. Normally, she’s either here, at home, or in That Other Place. Sometimes, like yesterday, I respond from school (oops).

    I have learned from experts that the  EU is a really good tool for keeping things equal. I’ve also learned that the EU is really annoying and not always successful. But then I hear these same people say: “two things you don’t want to see being made: sausages and laws” as well as “democracy: it’s awful sometimes, but it’s the best of everything there is.”

    I also believe, personally, like a lot of DEMS and Liberals – that is, Liberals to Americans (but here Liberal is right wing. So voters a little bit on the Left are called ‘Labour’) that Big Government is VERY important.

    Small government does not favour the middle income earners, those in marginalised groups in society or the low-income earners. Big Government and discussions around Federalism are best able to provide the best schools, health-care-systems, roads and highways, policing by actual police and Members of Parliament voted in by people who actually care about the politicians they vote in and vice versa.

    Aus people often moan about politicians and some of those don’t know much about how politics works. And they should. I also think politics underscores everything we do. People know that I actually favour politics……over….here it comes…..family. Because family is often run by ‘one’ person or two people. Also, people might say, “my family is SO important. It’s more important than other families” which is problematic.

    I know my grandparents fought for safety and against right-wing governments. I think we said elsewhere that they both won the equivalent of a DSM when they were only 16, during war time and then had to escape. I think that’s another reason why I think knowing things is important, why listening is necessary and that information found on web-sites has to be assessed for its: veracity, independence, context, motive, bias, confirmation bias, usefulness and whether it’s reliable or backed up by evidence. That is why some books (not all) are often better than random links to sites which can be harmful and used by others as a method of supporting their ‘argument’ even though their argument may be specious (?).

    Big Post! T16

     

     

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    @nekrosys

    Say no more: “politically correct;” “sjw;” “nonsense.”   We’ve had some interesting discussions about “SJWs” as well as the craziness of the term “PC” which generally means being courteous. Feel free, perhaps, to read those particular comments across The Pub, in the episode discussions on ‘Rosa,’ and so on.

    Also, punctuation is your best friend.  As is knowledge and facts. Probably, though, you’re about to mention: “fake facts.”

    So, I’ll just skip your posts and move on….

    Puro.

     

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    @nekrosys

    “The far left” Ah, see that’s the type of youtube comment I’m used to reading. Generally, political statements of that kind could be best left to the Pub: The Kebab and Calculator.

    I am, however, deeply concerned, you think it’s the “far left” who somehow messed up Star Wars. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

    Clearly, by your statement, you are, in fact, a member of ‘The Right” and from in the US.

    Puro.

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    @pedant

    ROFFL  !  Yeah, I get that. Reminds of people on web forums talking about something that someone else just wrote but the first person wanted to be the one to notice it or else hadn’t read the comments at all.

    T16

     

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    @idiotsavon @lisa @pedant

    I have learned so much about Brexit and Leave (and Remain) since coming to this Forum for myself. I never was much into politics but I am glad I am becoming more interested by the day. As @bluesqueakpip suggested Politics and Brexit is very difficult -as an argument -to take and there is angst because of it (thank you ‘Pip I had to find the meaning of angst = a lot of my class mates!)

    @arbutus I don’t think I know much about Steve Pearce?

    @lisa The thing with smaller countries and accountability in politics (whether Member Nations or autonomous governments) is that some still have corruption -and a lot of it. I’m thinking of Greece, Slovakia and Hungary. Yes, they’re Eastern Europe but they still have their own individual ‘premiers’  (another word for P.M.)

    T16.

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    @tardigrade

    you can see why the Doctor might come across as lesbian- relatively short hair, androgynous clothing

    Big tick there.   Mum now has short hair;  wears dad’s T-shirts and his 3/4 long trackie-dacks.  In America or the UK you might not know those. In Australia it’s tracksuits in stretch fabric.

    I apologise for such a long post. I was trying to tag people as I enjoy the dialogue between us all. So most of this is for anyone who has time!

    “Where did all the spiders go?” This is what Moffat was accused of:  How did we get from A to C with A being spiders eating everyone and C being ‘they are all dead.’

    I think they went through B = a point where 1) spiders in apartments ran fast to Ground Zero 2) curled up and died 3) reverted to normal behaviour such as skulking in dark, dusty areas without human habitation. This was foreshadowed by Graham finding a spider’s ‘suit’ -like that of a divested snake. So, something happened to the spiders but we didn’t need to witness them disappear.

    @mrswho I think it was a metaphor for greed. It showed how we work together not on our own; ensuring that scientific experiments are carried out safely using all the methods of proper containment of hazards. The hazard in this case was Trump – Chris Noth’s character.

    @ekky80 The show has always left loose threads dangling. It’s also expected people to pay attention. We know what happened to Rosa Parks, we also deduce what happened to the spiders. We know why Grace died, both because of the story-telling and what the writers know to be clever: you must make the loss of a person felt deeply.  @miapatrick this is excellent imo:

    It’s interesting that you’ll reference the wife of one of the other characters…for a point, I don’t know, about how unfair television is these days towards heterosexual people, but you don’t feel her presence and attitudes undermines your argument about men being targeted. And just skip over the woman in the bar who threw them out.

    @hobbyco

    Am I the only one who is noticing that in every episode so far, the “baddy” is white and male

    You’re not alone in what you’ve noticed.  It’s called ‘creep’ when white men and good, honest women are effectively screwed out of a job because white blokes are under-valued. I’m weeping for us all 😉

    @mrswho @hobbyco The show’s history has baddies of different genders. Also, some female aliens stand for good: like Madame Vastra.   A “proper baddie” looks normal, with his suits and his yelling but underneath is completely toxic which is why I suggest he was a metaphor….When @lionheart564 the Doctor doesn’t use a gun on the spiders it’s because she has never  liked them but significantly it’s the process of guns and how quick people are to reach for them. The “moral compass” of the Doctor isn’t “off” it’s set to “normal Doctor”

    @troygorsline (thank you for saying nice things about Mum: that was really kind) Agreed. Arguments and political debates are hard as nobody’s mind is changed. I’ve had my mind changed a lot but I’m 16 so our minds are still  ‘cooking’ a bit like the Doctor. @lisa I don’t mind that the Doctor’s saying “I’m still working things out” because that’s how all the Doctors since NuWho have done things. Also, the Doctor is showing strength of purpose:  “Don’t threaten me”  and “tea at Yaz!” as well as her particular attitude towards the spiders.

    She didn’t need a Donna from The Wedding Christmas Special to say “don’t! Stop! You’ll drown the spider’s kids!”

    This Doctor has aged so she’s entitled to self-appraisal: “I’m not sure what my personality is” because her actions, emerging from her beliefs speak for her. Thank you for reading,

    Thane

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    @nerys

    And, as for “who gives a shit”? I do

    Indeed. Whether a degree, undergraduate or post-graduate, post-doc, doctorate or PhD these are all necessary to expertise. Also, just for what I call “knowledge for knowledge sake.”

    That leads to great dialogue, conversation, inspiring thought processes and personal goals

    Puro.

     

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    @geoffers

    Ah! Yes, I mean the band: Yes. 🙂 Wakeman played the mellotron along with scores (pun not intended) of other instruments and thus David Bowie approached him for Space Oddity.

    Aaaand the mellotron (I know a lot of people despise this as much as peanut and jelly sandwiches) was utilised by King Crimson. It really is a very ‘close’ thing -6 degrees and all that.

    But please, chime in (after all, the word ‘chime’ begs you to!

    Puro x

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    @msrbahar

    honestly, I don’t know what I did to upset you so virulently. I pointed out areas where I felt you had unfairly claimed Akinola had “no talent: and was “horrible!”

    He had not completed all the orchestration, himself -others had assisted. I also found comments regarding “Jodi’s lack of talent” to be a trifle unnecessary and was upsetting – but that’s also perfectly fine for you to write. As I said, this isn’t a place where everyone says “yes, sir, no ma’am” without critique.  To me, and on Forum you’ve stated “PhD, who gives a shit” which is also fine. I can cope! 🙂

    I never stated my qualifications as ‘showing off’  is unnecessary. I wanted to suggest  what instruments were used and who the orchestrator actually was during 3 episodes. I was never cold. I also never said I was “talented” or possessed “taste.” You’re claiming I’m “a good music ‘historian’ ” when I’ve never stated I am: though certainly, it’s a necessity in the work I’ve done with respect to orchestration and other related fields.

    If you believe the comments I have made point out that I’m merely a “good ‘historian’ ” (although you use qualifying apostrophes to imply I’m deficient in this area) then that is your prerogative. I just don’t understand what I’ve said to you that has caused you to be so angry at me? Because it looks like anger. I suggested your direct your fury at Alec Roberts; I also asked that you explain why you’re of the belief that those episodes are so poor. I explained the orchestration and the use of real-live instrumentation, rather than synths as well as mentioning some composers or scores that I found agreeable -including Spielberg’s work with Williams, which you yourself brought into the original conversation and so I was hoping to create a dialogue in that respect.

    And that didn’t happen.  But that’s OK, too 🙂

    Kindest,

    Puro (Thane typing for Puro).

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    @bluesqueakpip

    And the great Zubin Mehta said, “I don’t think women should be in orchestras.”

    🙁

    The Big 5 in the States hire carefully as you say.

    @msrbahar

    often political correctness is a term in the pejorative used to denigrate courtesy.

    Puro

    #65050
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    “when you break an egg and scramble it you are doing cosmology.”

    @juniperfish @pedant @anduril (Halloo! if you are a new member: welcome -yes, indeed it was around the red and blue tie/ balloon that I found this site with its super-clever bonkerising)

    Red Shift:  and the Doctor’s, “let’s get a shift on!”

    Is it all related?

    @geoffers. I thought I saw you! It was that lovely time-piece that made me think “geoffers is back.”  Interesting re: The Final Cut.  Niiice. Roger explains how he felt his father was treated:  how Waters Snr died serving in the Second World War….I sense a musical/historical connection more and more with these episodes…. 🙂

    @janetteb

    In the 1930s there was a very vocal anti war and fascism organisation in Australia. Left wing of course …They protested about the annexations of Czechoslovakia 

    Indeed. I wasn’t sure whether to mention this but it’s something to share as my mother died on October 28, ’74 and was posthumously awarded The Meritorious Cross (or correctly, The Cross of Merit), on the same date in the 1990s (I don’t have access to the correct year but I think it was 1997).  My father was also awarded The Linden Decoration after his death. Strikingly, I knew almost nothing about this for many years but both awards were bestowed for valiant duty in war-time. Both were military awards from World War Two and significantly, both people carried out their duties at the age of sixteen.  Some years later, in order to prevent capture by Soviets, both fled with absolutely nothing.

    “With the clothes on their backs, they came through a storm. And those that didn’t die want a better life. And they want it here (The West Wing, Pilot).”

    It’s significant that all of us, in some small way, have contributed to a better life for others or have been recipients of a struggle won by others:  small acts of courage; a word of compassion; a letter to a Member of Parliament; sitting on a bus and not standing; by entering a university from which others were initially banned; by turning to someone, and not away. I think this episode helped some people realise that history hasn’t forgotten them, and that new stories can be told differently over the backdrop of historical events.

    Puro

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    @lisa

    nice try but arrogance and no facts….stop bugging me with your nonsense….stronger coping skills with disagreements. That’s quite a bit of rough,  Lisa….So:

    I know this be Pub, but are you drunk already?   🙂

    I think you’re right, maybe Brexit is not the best discussion point with people who are invested in it & have children or nieces & nephews affected. They live there, after all. But I know you’re a good egg: as I said b4 you work for the Dems & that aint easy.

    Puro and Thane. I’m sort of typing for Mum: she’s on a pass-out. LOL.

     

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    @whisht @cathannabel That sounds terrific -Steel Pulse. And perfect for ‘Rosa.’

    Bela Fleck loved that New Grass Revival. In fact Steel Pulse reminds me a bit of Victor Wooten.

    And Prokofiev…The Love of Three Oranges  discussed by a new member on ‘Rosa’ Thread. We’ve got the oranges in Graham, Yaz and the Doctor…There was a reference in Willie Lynch’s book (says T16) to whites supporting African American equality as being “oranges.”

    So we come full circle.

    @cathannabel Thing is, & this is more T16’s area, but songs by devoted Lil’ Pump fans will post on his video with 2 million hits in a matter of days. Everyone talks about it. Everyone dies their hair to look like gummy worms. Others like Machine Gun Kelly will respond and….then it goes nuclear. But please don’t Google Lil’ Pump -he’s a mumble-rapper and it’s really not worth it. Although, I have to say, the comments which arrive a few weeks after the crazies have vanished, are very funny indeed proving that some youboob-posters have a brain. 🙂

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    @pedant @kevinwho @lisa @missrori and @mudlark

    Yes, I felt that as Krasko had admitted, with great amusement to killing 2000 people, and referred to African Americans as “mongrels,” I felt there was no real need to ‘explore’ this particular gentleman’s character further.

    Within the dialogue we had all we needed. He lacked remorse; he wanted only what he could attain without one sorry concern for those around him and saying, “next time I see you, I will kill you” topped up his cowardice and lies: the kind who’s thrilled to admit the amount of innocents he’s killed but whose empty threats are readily discovered.

    It reminded me of a spectacular Forum discussion over a year ago about Capaldi’s final episode with Clara, ‘Hell Bent’. Here, the regular Gallifreyans gave the Doctor soup and time to rest after escaping the Confession Dial. We knew, immediately, the type of people they were and yet few words were exchanged.

    This gives me great confidence in CC: less is best. It’s a fine, necessary balance considering we have Chatty Doctor and so every alien from here to the year 50 000 may need to talk less. 🙂

    Also, I’ve been very interested in people’s awareness of ‘Rosa’ compared with NuWho’s ‘Rose’ and @bluesqueakpip‘s mention in the Daily Mash regarding how a mighty whitey alien swoops in to save the day when a) Rosa herself had to complete the coda and b) Graham, remembering the Spirit of Grace, had to sit so Rosa could stand on her principles. @cathannabel -I think b) was you?!

    It wasn’t just a standalone ep. Interesting how an arc can be created by research, careful dialogue -and yet not be an actual ‘arc.’ 🙂  Again: hats off to CC and MB for that nuance and absolutely, @juniperfish it was a different kind of nuance just as there are arcs….and.. arcs.

    @lisa halloo there. Rough on pedant: “your the low information one here for me!!”  Bit of word sense disambiguation! Glad you’re still fighting the good fight.

    Looking forward to next week’s episode.

    Puro (if not T then P).

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    @pedant

    No I haven’t & I desperately want to. Right now, I can see a movie theatre across the way. It’s one huge thing with 13 cinemas and probably smells of popcorn but I would brave even that. Except it was released in May, I think.

    Is it directed by Favreau of Marvel Inc? Because Alan Silvestri works with ‘Marvel Doods’ a lot of the time. I’m most likely wrong about that and can’t properly check as internet pretty spotty at the mo.’

    Someone mentioned it had the song ‘Jump’ in it. So, for that alone, how could I stay away?

    Silvestri wrote the music for Contact and another fav, Polar Express. I’ve seen, thanks to Spawn, Polar Express about 60 times. One Christmas he watched it at least 3 times a day and then every other day. It was important that we ALL sat and watched it too. ((*\*))

    I’m a Mark Rylance fan so I’m pretty sure he’s in Ready Player.

    Puro

    #64992
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    aw cheers you kind people! It was all thanks to @mudlark and @pedant. I didn’t actually mention the Copland the 1st time around. A major lack of detail there….Big nod to “mudders.”

    @msrbahar  “who gives a shit” Yes! But that’s no way to be, really, because to be misinformed is to be held at someone else’s mercy.

    I’m very sorry for your loss, these are awful times so good people should step up.  Agreed. Along with @craig I like North by Northwest. And my posts vanish too but I don’t think good mods delete things unless there’s an ad hominin attack.

    I didn’t always ‘go’ for the 5 note diatonic sequence in Close Encounters but it’s hours long with rich, steeped in 1950s tonality so the last Act’s essentially different to the lush music of say, ‘Barry’s Escape’. I agree: Williams and Spielberg worked together a lot.

    @troygorsline  I was 18 when I saw The Mona Lisa. I was impressed. 7 years later I saw it again, surrounded by loads of people and felt….disappointed. No real idea why. It could have been tiredness, press of the tourists, poor positioning of the god-head painting or just “it looks so small compared with last time.” Perspective! 🙂

    @cathannabel Yes, I think there’s a connection to The Sound of Drums in tWWFtE. I  enjoyed that particular episode. There’s 3 contiguous eps but the last ep where the Doctor is in the cage is a tad….weird?

    So, over to the Music Thread.

    Puro.

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    @mudlark

    Yes indeed. Copland’s work of 1942 was adapted in many ways by….Emerson, Lake and Palmer who were introduced to Stray Dogs (W.G Snuffy Walden) and for which Greg Lake of ELP contributed songs (it’s all very close).  This was also what our friend @msrbahar  noticed when referencing Williams who’s famous for Harry Potter,  Jaws, Close Encounters (personal fav), Star Wars The Space Opera and E.T.

    Williams referenced Copland’s style.   In the ’40s Eugene Goossens repeated his urge for a fanfare used before the beginning of a concert during the First World War. The idea was to celebrate America’s freedom, the enormity and solemnity of the task ahead and paying taxes….  🙂  So successful was it, it became essential to repertoire and is one of the most recorded, re-used compositions performed at one of the Obama inauguration ceremonies and as @jimthefish and others know, at the opening of the new Scottish Parliament House.

    Music has that incredible ability to flex our hind brain as we say: “huh? That’s….familiar!”  As the following characters’ dialogue supports, music is in every way a conversation, conventional or unconventional and whilst viewers might prefer Gold/Foster’s beautiful melodies, most know that many themes were re-used across several years. These days a ‘dirty’ score is preferred by some show-runners -not unlike John Cage and his ‘meditations’ on sound- and I think Roberts/Akinola followed CC’s conceptual idea. A score heavy with motifs and crunching instruments, distracts viewers from the story which requires considerable work to ‘seep’ into the bones.

    This episode and those following have shown a remarkable tendency to ‘gab.’ 🙂 And I like that in this Doctor and her companions. She seems to be an open book (though dramatic tension/history tells us otherwise); self aware, planning and chattin’.

    To me, the “four adventurers” work fast to keep ahead of the baddies or ensure history’s intact so adding mesmerising themes could cause the entire meat of the episode to crash with confusion and a hint of a Copeland ‘motif’ or ELP’s style is noticeable possibly due to the absence of a “haunting, rising and falling” score. Less is best.

    It seems I have become The Lecturer and I apologise for that! It “seeps into the bones.” I can imagine a friend of mine at work reading this and rolling his eyes    😈

    Puro

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    @msrbahar @pedant

    the “lame John Williams horn rip off” was  interesting wasn’t it?

    It was W.G Snuffy Walden, not Williams. Snuff worked with band ELP under the Manticore label. Their album (and name) was Stray Dog with 3 songs by Greg Lake. Snuffy’s horn is sometimes a trumpet, with a Harmon mute and straight mute. Composers DO ferret out important motifs.

    The trumpet motif was used carefully by Snuffy thematically where episodes (of various shows like Sports Night) highlight race and where the plot focusses on a character struggling with an immense decision. So, music foreshadows those character beats. A score needs a competent awareness of when to ‘let rip’ which worked exceptionally well in these episodes.

    He got where he is too fast or maybe the producers are over doing it with “inclusiveness”. I have heard nothing original always a constant synthesizer background that gets annoying with and occasional drum beat, horrible!! No talent! As far as not understanding Jodi I’m American and I need the subtitles on anyway to understand British accents. So far the writing is not great either. If they can’t come up with great villains

    You seem repetitive yourself 🙂    What with “not great” being used a tad overmuch. So, in summary:

    1. The Rosa episode used a trumpet motif familiar to us via Snuffy,  Stray Dogs; Greg Lake and Keith Emerson.

    2. Not everything is synthesised.

    3. In the title sequence, Akinola brought back the original side drum using a rute -that’s your “occasional drum beat.” Also: cross sticks.

    4. What makes you think it was Akinola during these 3 episodes? Your “horrible!! no talent!” is thus confusing.

    5. But Akinola has game: consider Expedition Volcano; Black and British; The Human Body; The VIP Paedophile Ring and the Jerry Goldsmith Award etc with a Masters in composition. “He got where he is” due to a discography achievement level.

    6. You’re a bit misinformed because Alec Roberts is contributor, orchestrator and conductor for each score so perhaps direct your fury at him?  🙂

    7. On a different note: you refer to James Horner, Segun Akinola, John Williams, Moffat and Williams and yet you use Whittaker’s first name only: Jodie?

    8. on “the writing aint great” explain why, perhaps. It would help.

    9. But as you write: “they’re over-doing it with inclusiveness” I wonder whether explaining the why would assist? You seem to suggest if people of a different culture are chosen it’s because they’re Black and ‘some’ might need a bone thrown their way despite their “zero” talent.

    10.  Most composers and orchestrators prefer some ‘dry sound’ rather than lots of competing motifs or character choons. Also, if you’ve seen three eps only it might be wise avoiding judgement.  You can dislike the orchestrator but claiming he’s talentless is unfair, imho.

    Puro.

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    @swordwhale

    the trumpocalypse….

    I love that term: I hope you don’t mind if I use that term to my mates? I will assuredly give you credit because they are Doctor Who-ers AND pretty interested in the American situation at the moment. If I stole your term, they’d know it and I’d get clocked!

    I really like the spoon you had in the bowl? That’s very cool. That amount of oreos would probably kill me but it’s good someone can eat that -with milk! I thought it was melted icecream, at 1st. When I was  a little kid (I really still am) I used to wait till icecream melted a bit & then stir it up real fast.

    @arbutus @mudlark Mum used to buy the brandy snaps and fill them with whip cream or a combination of mushed strawberries, mixed with fine sugar (?) & then added to the whipped cream which is then, shoved into the snap.

    I don’t think that sounds very “restaurant-y” does it? 🙂

    I can imagine a restaurant called The Ghost Monument. In Germany there were loads of pop up restaurants that were part of ghost tours. In Australia  we have them too. In the past we had a place called Death By Chocolate which was decked like the inside of a coffin with ghouls and ghostly apparitions floating about. Mum would say it lacked “elan.” She says that a lot & I think I need our wordsmiths to define this for me. Seems it can be used in different ways.

    Comparing this episode and ‘Rosa’ I was very interested in both. To me, they worked as companion pieces  because we saw insensitive and indifferent characters in the Moxturan, Mr Hologram as well as in mid ’50s Alabama but also with both episodes I felt the characters develop in a natural fashion? Whilst there’s lots of talking by the Doctor: planning and strategizing; apologies; caring;  a sense of ‘place’ and a “just get on with it” attitude, this talking and thinking aloud means we see subtle reactions by companions as they adapt, quickly, to new things.

    Also, with 3 companions I’ve found myself, along with the Doctor Who Nerd Herd referring to all of them as explorers more than ‘companions’ or assistants. The Doctor’s an explorer so I see four people (one TL) fixing things, chasing away the Toilet Paper monsters (who became wet through the night and try to strangle the Moxturan), alerting each other when danger starts to smell. It’s a ‘real’ team and I like that.

    Thank you, Thane

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    @pedant I do however, charge for my editorial services.

    Everything I do, I do because of you….there’s a song like that…..Not quite the right words.

    Flippin heck, Mr P, where do you find your patience? In fact, you are patient.

    Somehow the world’s flipped over-night. We’re in Upside- down World.  Exactly, Parks’ ‘plan’ wasn’t planned. The work by Manning Marable makes that clear.

    I’m still on “not everybody thought that way” suggestive of Nazi Germany: “not everyone wanted the Jews, the Gays, the Catholics, the physically handicapped, dead.”

    Lunch.

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    remember how Puro would get pissed off?

    This is happening to me now.  Every few posts there’s a person saying “Britain was never segregated” or “even though Alabama back then was easily the most racist place in America,  not everyone felt that way.”

    1. Don’t forget Mississippi @texasferrets  (Texas? Mmm)

    2. Most people DID feel that way in those states: please look carefully at interpretations of the Mason Dixon Line.

    3. Months =6 on Medgar Evers, Rosa Parks, MLK…..

    Some of you new members (welcome): I’m 16 how can you NOT know the things you are saying are “off” or like the “Britain” comment, just plain screwed up? Ghettos? Estates?

    @georgecotty what @jimthefish and @bluesqueakpip said.  I don’t necessarily think those who write “this is preachy” will be back, Jim. To me, if they don’t know the show’s history with The Aztecs (I watched it 2 days ago) or The Empty Child, even, then they are here, possibly, to troll. But maybe not. Maybe they’ve been watching since PC. Except hang on, the entire 2-parter on the Zygons was about EXACTLY THIS SITUATION!

    I guess this has been a forum for people to explain things. Not to write: “this is plain rubbish.” That’s a world of youtube, and we don’t need that. I did actually post above, nicely,  before I decided to get a bit angry here. I think it’s important to sometimes be angry? And sometimes even stay that way. But I understand this is a haven where staying angry is a ‘bad thing.’ When people are pissed off they don’t learn. Mind you, Evers was seriously pissed off. So was MLK and Diane Nash, Mildred Bond Roxborough ….So….

    I’ll have lunch.

    @troygorsline Agreed.

    Grgh! (for Puro).

    T16 (I will smile!  Through some tears). xx00

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    @misterf55 @dogboythecat

    I’m circling you. Thinking better of it. Then not. I am well educated like a lot of people. I spent many months investigating speeches by people stronger, smarter, braver than me (some like 14 year old Emmett Till): MLK; Medgar Evers; Rosa Parks; Laura Nelson; Ida B. Wells-Barnett; Fannie Lou Hamer (“actresses,” some). As others stronger and smarter than me @jimthefish @juniperfish said, the show delves deeply into “issues.” It’s never been a cowardly programme. An Unearthly Child is about sacrifice; who ‘matters’ and who doesn’t. @dogboythecat  there’s nothing ‘subtle’ about Till’s murder.

    King: “We are done with tokenism which leads to do-nothingism and stand-still-ism” and Frank X Walker, “people who think the Civil Rights Mvt began in the 1960s betrays the memory of every single body vanished on the way home from school.”

    Evers: “When you hate the only one who suffers is you because most of them you hate don’t know it and the rest don’t care. We must keep speaking (in Michael V. Williams. 2011).”

    And: “all these people who devoted themselves, sacrificed themselves…to parasites, eaten out with jealousy, envy, longing for the lives of others, to feed on them, on the memory of love and loss.” Sounds like Doctor King or Evers.

    All the Doctors have spoken, “In all the years I have been taking care of you…you in return have been  taking care of me Susan…One day I shall come back. Til then no regrets…Go forward in all your beliefs and prove to me  I am not mistaken in mine.”

    Thank you for reading, Thane16.

     

     

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    Oh and this one too. Dylan’s lyrics are awesome here, imho. T16

     

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    This isn’t exactly right as it’s Birmingham. A lot don’t like Phil Ochs either. I do. He and Dylan split pretty nastily due to Ochs’ wish Dylan would stay with protest lyrics. Just in case people didn’t know, is all.

    T16

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    “We don’t serve negroes”

    Good, because I don’t eat them. I lost it!

    Did 69 pages on Emmett Till in an assignment. Grade school. Harder than university. Teacher didn’t know the name. Fortunately she knew Rosa Parks.

    Emmett was 14 when lynched. Mister Willie Lynch (lynching) in The Making of a Slave.  Big respect for Chris Chibnall handling a difficult period perfectly. Sadly I don’t think The Civil Rights Movement can ever be over.

    T16.

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    @pedant well, yes I am admirable.  Mum said that so I typed it!

    But I agree with you too. Also she looks at the tardis as well as seeing & its gorgeous.

    People also say that we are disadvantaged when we cannot view a person we wish to. Awkward phrasing & “obvious” but that is a difficulty now. “This modern world” and all that…

    T16

     

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    so Alec Roberts has orchestrated and contributed to a number of telly series and also some movies. The score of this so VERY  operatic.

    Puro

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    at approx. 45:49 Director slams the close up when the Doctor says,
    “do you wanna try?”  (fitting in TARDIS).

    So much to love about this. sladders and lakes

    Dooley’s character (brilliantly acted) saying “you’re irrelevant” and “I love my mum.”

    I think when Lynch popped up with “I scooped you!” I fell for her. Ensemble Class: or cast. 🙂

    Quite Firefly-ish; hint of Hunger Games and obviously Bad Wolf: “you are the weakest link.” Also Mad Max.

    I really think JW is a very different Doctor to the others. There’s an absolute lack of mystery. She thinks, she says, she acts. Other Doctors simply don’t outline what they’re doing all the time. I like this new aspect.

    I like her upbeat quality and I really enjoyed how Graham (the fixer) says “no, no, we’re going to get out.”  The Companions  different to other iterations/eras perhaps? It’s a quartet. Each skilful, with independent tonal range.

    The score was ever so subtle. Nothing operatic, vast or voluminous.

    Puro

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    @whisht Hooray! Music. Silly? Never! 😀   For instance…..Dr Berg…( I need a  re-watch of that bit with Malik -it was hard to hear but there was an odd …..feel too).

    @arbutus

    exactly, I enjoy Berg -with reservations. At restaurants and bars. Although the fare at the local Mater Mirage is somewhat less varied it has its upsides.  Lots of condiment packets? It’s the European in me. The whole fridge is condiments for Puro. So PC liked Beethoven and various Doctors would’ve met a number of musicians and composers since 1963. Debussy, Stevie Wonder. That’s like meeting god. Which he did too. Then there was cooking school…(omelettes and reservations). So JW’s choice/preference could be a Sheffield rock band. One springs to mind (mind the pun).

    Puro

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    @arbutus

    but do you like Alban Berg?   😀     I do myself and I particularly like Cantos which use statements like the one above -Handel was my original inspiration…..

    Good to hear from you… I shall pop to PMs. I somehow missed some messages (blame the drugs. Everyone else does and they’re right!)

    Puro xx

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    @idiotsavon

    And when the Clara intrigue came along, I was really gripped. (I discovered this fab forum during a massive Clara-based Google session..

    WHERE have you  BEEN?

    OK that works better in an actual story format. What I’m saying is, thank you for that gold (it wasn’t just a tuppence).  I also did a mad google search and fell from the sky (not because I’m God) into the laps of the Forum.

    Laps. That’s more my thing. And I was snotting with the best.

    Puro

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    @shinymcshine

    Well, dear, I did call bullshit on the other thread. And I thought you said you were leaving? 🙂

    @juniperfish “interrogate the whatsit.”

    Are we post-modern again?

    *just kidding*  all’s good.

    @troygorsline

    You’re the one I like.

    This is hilarious. I’ve seen the episode once. Everything is upside down.

    Puro with drips.

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    @shinymcshine

    it’s even worse than that. The computer inside it has nothing to do with primitive earth tech either. … In the 3 Dr.s episode, one had an algorithm running for 400 years to solve the unlocking of a wooden door… writer’s trivialized it and cheated us again.

    I find that a little ‘off’ with respect. I don’t see trivialising. You used “us” above. I’m reminded of Clara: “don’t speak for me” and “I have a right to my past” but I understand you feel it isn’t working for you. 🙁 That’s OK.

    From an in-story perspective we know that since the 3 Doctors episode the Doctor is many MANY years older so telepathically sorting the TARDIS and sonic isn’t unlikely. But it doesn’t need to go as far as telepathy just a different dimensional ‘space’ as the Doctor became more experienced. Missy mentioned this. Also, at this point we’re in the First 40 mins of a new showrunner, Doctor, composer, writer room so being “cheated again” is definitely Jumping The Shark.

    I think The Fifth Element wouldn’t have explained that latter term due to issues with unnecessary exposition in that particular work. So get back to me if you need to.

    T16. I’m the younger one (@16), Mum wrote the stuff above under her name Puro (timeywimey)

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    @pedant  @ichabod

    As I said, it was a rebuke for someone who had made a dick move on someone who was beaten and being expelled – then crowed about it, in his wholly inadequate way. It was a tiny analogue of Tom Shaw’s abject an cowardly inadequacy.

    Indeed. @shinymcshine it is history or characteristic for the Doctor to state: “you had no right.” I felt it was unnecessary for Crane to do what he did.

    I’m reminded of this when new Doctor falls. Viewers thought…. well,  this... and the opposite of this at the same time.

     

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    @pedant

    It’s the “in reality” that makes it Art.

    @ichabod

    But high pitches are..used to indicate “I am non-threatening, don’t fear me” and “I wuv you, you little cutey pie, come to mama” …. And a low, slow voice in humans, both male and female, is sometimes associated with seductive excitement.

    Yes, lower pitches are calming to some species.**  The “wuv you” is more timbre. Something “slow” is neither pitch nor timbre but tempo, as far as I can tell.

    **if it is calming to ‘some’ species it’s not calming to all. But at one point, researchers headed to Transpositional Logic Land stating: calm emerges from low pitch. If we are not calm, the pitch isn’t low. Or: if a cause always leads to an effect then absence of that effect is evidence of absence of the cause.

    Which isn’t true when we’re talking about pitch and calm across all species.  🙂

    And then we had lots of  ‘pitching up’ rocket-ships in this episode. *\*~ Pitching up didn’t result in calm there.   😈

    Puro with drips.

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    @bluesqueakpip

    But it is a video game. It’s made clear it’s a video game. It’s just that this particular video game has real live people taking part.

    Quite.

    @pedant The issue with the word ‘authoritative’ is boiling the Pot in my head because it’s a ‘small’ word for an enormous concept, imo. 🙂

    On Akinola. I got a call t’other day from old college and there was excitement. He’s involved in a few interesting projects after and during Who. The use of Derbyshire’s composition is facia bene. The tension rod adjustment on the field drum is quite specific rather than customised, imo =heard it only the once, so don’t quote me. But there’s a dimensional width to the score absent in years. The colourised sequence reminded me of the interior of sclerotic bowel.

    And right too: Akinola is a Derbyshire fan from before her years of ‘on screen interview’ re Who. But also after.

    Puro

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    @pedant  @cathannabel

    At last something I know something about!

    Aircraft….

    I often say I have difficulty talking to people who don’t understand planes. Issues of attitude determining altitude etc. 🙂

    But I digress. Different vocal styles are produced by men and women. Pitch and timbre are quite different. Different notes can have the same timbre (imagine ‘colour’ or ‘feel’ or character) but play different ‘notes’ or pitches. Each instrument can play a ‘character’ or a vivid crashing wave which elicits a feeling. This feeling is timbre and describes the range of sound character that instruments can now produce -which they couldn’t do in the 1700s.

    Also, timbre is frequency ‘addicted’ or ‘attracted.’  If you listen to a sound-wave (frequency) from 2 different instruments the timbre will be quite different. Yet the pitch might be the same.

    Amongst ATC and commercial airliners the timbre of a particular voice, from a particular individual determines the level of what I’ve defined as ‘sooth-force.’ Timbre or sound-waves of a specific type or character are calming. In the most recent studies female vocalists using a specific timbre are most successful when lower pitch is identified and produced.

    Then there’s over-tones and harmonics….

    Puro.

    Puro

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    @miapatrick

    My training has been cancelled. 🙁  Mum said “How on EARTH could I (her) have caused that to happen. What are you? FIVE?”  I didn’t get cake, though, so she easily could  ‘do’ weather. I’m sure words with Rain God are totally within her powers.

    In fairness the tread was because she has to lift a drip…. which in our house has to be funny not sad. So, add in the dramatic tension with the sound of three legs (the drip) and it reminds me of (yes, Buffy!) and also that Zombie movie made in the UK where the oldies were fighting off zombs with walkers.

    Anyway, enough silliness. Maths. Onto Maths.

    @ichabod I find white chocolate also very sweet. I like dark chocolate but Mum who ALWAYS sneers at white-choc eaters was eating white chocolate the other day! I caught her. She pretended she couldn’t see it. Like that would happen. She causes rain to fall, denies me cake, makes me do maths, makes me read a Grenville book in one weekend and lies about chocolate.

    I’m hogging this entire thread…..So, the uhm, tWWFtE was brilliant -for me. There were a few stop starts but I liked the colourisation (?) and also the scariness of the train meme. I think it was newly done as a ‘theme’ or idea – for me anyway . ***hogging ended.

    T16

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    @ichabod

    Mum is coming up the stairs. She has a heavy tread. It’s like a scary horror flick.

    I may not be modded but I’ll take my punishment if I am (but Mum started it. LOL). Worse (maybe) I’m threatened with no dessert!

    And I like cake 🙁

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    @miapatrick

    Yep. Oops. You got that right. I (T16) was responding to ….oxygen bubbles and throwing up ….in them…..

    As you were. AAAnd I stole that line from Puro The Elder.

     

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    @juniperfish  re #64600

    I think “connotations of greater informality” =  pejorative.

    @cathannabel yes, that sounds really good to me. I think mum meant something like this. I do know Russell’s tea-pot and from a brief discussion before she nodded off on Sofa we delved into how low pitch is modelled in experiments across species and she mentioned that how we accustom ourselves to dialogue in film across genders is…..important . I need a few more years to get my head around all this…..

    T16

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    @ichabod

    Oh come on. @miapatrick and I are throwing up. FOR SURE.

    I should add if one wishes to ad lib or write stories go to fan wank fiction thread.

    T16 (and I’m the younger one! Jeckers H. Cripes)

    Yeah, I’ll be modded off. But I will not stand for stupid and neither will The Mother!

     

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    @ichabod

    Low voices show pitch relationships. Words like “authoritative” are stimulated from data modelling when recent CTs and MRIs show low pitch calming to most but not all species. Sometimes there’s a Russell TeaPot on the boil when small words like “authority” emerge from larger concepts via modelling discussions.

    Logical atomism, it can kill ya.

    Unlike five secs in “outer-space” @shinymcshine which won’t.

    Unfortunately.

    Purofilion-via-Thane.

     

    #64608
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    @shinymcshine

    Futher Mucking Hell! That’s SO good. Much better than Chibber’s (That poor kid scolded for shoving tooth-face off the crane and doing something nasty. Jodes and crane-man should’ve hi-fived, personally. But I reckon Whedon would probably do it Chibber’s way.). But back to yours. My pals at Yale would bloody love it. But I recall some chick, really clever, stuck in a psyche ward, totally delusional, talking about a scary Austrian from the Future? This plot device was completed when she cleverly escapes after days. It was kind of gritty too. 

    Who-viewers wouldn’t call it an “oxygen bubble” but I can totally get this was both iconoclastic and colloquial.

    Sheffield’s pretty gritty and not just figuratively, so you know, props to you.

    Certain dramatists could have issues with: camera swings from the side to the front and the TARDIS comes into view behind them. (now that’s a dramatic TARDIS entrance). In my career I’ve never witnessed a camera swinging either, but sure, it’s 1967 and we do that now.

    Urim V`Thummim…

    Puro

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    @pedant @mudlark

    Too much morphine clearly, “it’s on film”

    Really? The bit where I said “aspirin?? shit!” except it was ibuprofen.

    Christ, it IS on film: and that’s obviously quite embarrassing.  Particularly now.

    As you were.

    @bluequeakpip.

    Mm? Yes, I had heard of that issue -with eyewitnesses.

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    @pedant

    Anecdote is not the singular of evidence.

    Well, yes, see, because you can call it “anecdote” or a “story.” And either way the issue/anecdote/thing that happened DID actually happen. Did I write down everything that was said? Yes. Did I repeat it to another who wrote it also? Yes.

    And….

    Was it even on film? YES. The store caught it. Welcome to the new age.

    It also served to demonstrate something. Something important. Not that it matters either way.

    Forgive me, I’m very tired.

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    @mudlark @pedant

    You’re right, it’s an anti-inflammatory.  I got that quite wrong.

    Stories are important. Why else vlog a Diabetes story?

    #64502
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    @pedant (soz, this is really the last post): if personal experience is the beginning of discourse and if discourse leads to group discussion and if THAT discussion leads to the decision to create surveys, or further study and if that study then leads to even more experiences listed in say, one place or many places then “stories” are the back-bone of progress. The stories indicate movement. Not necessarily movement forward but not information in stasis either.

    Also, without stories, there are no people.

    The “stories” could be wrong, sure,  if the information in them is not recognised as growing from one persons experience. # People reading it might think this information is knowledge when its not. Or that it is  fact when it isn’t. Caveats are very essential 🙂

    But anecdotes are not always imprecise#. I would say that anecdotes are  “quite” precise if you look, for example, at the source of the anecdote. At the nature of the person who experienced this “story.”

    Stories create curiosity which can kill the cat who had the personal story mentioned in the first place. But without the curiosity there’s no one to follow up what happened to the cat who died.

    See what I did there? Also there are no ‘real’ miracles. I understood that. But, say, not walking into a building that falls over later because a person took a call, or some medical advice which was wrong, and therefore lived -I guess those situations happen constantly and we never know until it’s too late or just much later.

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