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@pedant

Thankyou. It looks like a top book and obviously very necessary (the “very” is the funny part. I hear at school things like “very unique, very very clever, really pregnant….LOL)

And I have a lot to learn. I keep forgetting “thank you” is not one word.

Mum would of said: “yee-hah”

Thank you.  🙂

PS; I believe some students in the physics class don’t understand sampling and evidence including whats now referred to as ‘binary data selective processing at micro levels”

Thanks for getting me! I’m a hard egg to crack.

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@pedant

Clarity didn’t happen did it?

What was meant, I reckon (but now I can’t ask her) was:

• read the packet
• know what’s in it
• most Doctors believe aspirin is pretty good
• some Doctors don’t like aspirin (probably those who haven’t kept up with the research)…..so
• keep up with the research
• read the literature and know from which area or pharm industry it ‘germinates.’

In other words the posts were completely in agreement. Hence my “wot? What’s PSA?”

It means Public Service Announcement. I should ‘of ‘ googled it. This is largest set of posts I’ve ever typed. And you too. All because of a lack of understanding or of reading. Also because its really distracting and I need it.

Now if you want a nightmare scenario, try heart disease at the same time as kidney disease.

We are all so sorry to hear about your dad. Sometimes people express things in a way that is relevant to their emotions and memory. Sometimes theres even a tendency to say, “try having THIS or that.” Like a competition. I think most people have some pretty sh** situation happening.  Often it  explains why things are said the way they are. Also she used to apologise a lot didn’t she? Not exactly sure why. Insecurity? Fear? Not wanting to offend? An over-mannered approach? Not one to be competitive myself, I’ll gently mention this:

Try having kidney disease, stercoral colitis, crohns and ischemic colitis. It happens. It’s rare.  It’s rarely not morbid.

Also there’s a post flying to this email box from you…..But I may need to get back there. Thank you for your patience at this difficult moment.

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@mudlark thank you Ms Mudlark. I appreciate it.

@pedant  Blimey:

We need, say:

multiple examples (really?)
that are representative of the population and chosen at random
in which the experimenter is blind to the selection (OMG, seriously?)
And in the case where the sample is people, the people are also blind (so don’t know if they are getting the medicine or a placebo) – these two together is what is meant by double blind. (I thought it meant they were visually impaired)
where the sample is big enough to be meaningful
and using methods that someone else can replicate (with their own sample) to see if they get the same results. (I’m about to hang myself)

I appreciate the teaching moment. But I’m not a duffer. I am actually aware of these issues: STEM, philosophy, parents; they’ve taught me these elements of representativeness…. The question was: “What’s PSA?” (in part)

I should have expressed what I suspect was meant originally by the post.

That:

“this happened because someone didn’t read the packet properly & took nurofen not realising it was actually aspirin. ” That was the bit where it looked as though someone didn’t quite understand that this story was funny. The anecdote demonstrated something  interesting or ironic.  Which was why I asked the question. This “story” (evidently found boring) wasn’t about whether nurofen/aspirin was helpful or medically ‘harmless’ or whether the research was “in” or not or whether one person’s experience is evidence or not. It was about not understanding what the story was about in the first place.

Kind of like this entire conversation.

Thank you, though, Mr P. I appreciate the evidence, what with your knowledge about these issues. And I am not being sarcastic. In case I get wacked. Which I expect will happen anyway.

Thank you.

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@pedant Hi I have read this information (finally) on the Pub pgs . You said :

PSA: Anecdote is not the singular of evidence.

What did that mean?

There was discussion of something to do with aspirin which indicates excellent health benefits for people with heart conditions. So, one more day for Episode 2.

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@pedant

I liked that. Mum showed me the first one you made a few weeks ago? Really liked the ‘ums’ sped up. Hope you’re not in agony at all. Or it’s bearable.

Thane.

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@notime

Yep, it’s called the Opening Title or Title sequence or Intro as opposed to “outro.”

@madtimetravellingscot A narrative in this instance was a called plot. ‘A’  happened then ‘B’ then ‘C’ with lots of discussion about what was happening in between. Felt like a very real situation: whether travelling on late night “ghost train” or “siege at a moving base” meme

@mik8888

I thought it was as well. “Hersey” LOL. And hello to you. @thetinker Agreed with @pedant red crystal was unusual. Kept pausing to look. You’re the official Red Crystal Spotter now 🙂

Didn’t realise I’d left the page running for 4 days. Oops.

From Thane16 sans Mum (Puro).

 

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@tempusfugit

I’m not sure about the fact that Graham has cancer.

OK. Sorry, why?

I look a million dollars and I’m half dead. No kidding. I have a paramedic watching this as I type and he’s performing a truly hideous job/procedure (these doods get paid far too little).  Yesterday I was in the garden for 4 hours. Last night I had some peeps over for dessert. By 9 pm I felt the world had ended. Again. @pedant is right. I’m a walking medical emergency. So, yep, Graham had cancer but he’s in remission. 🙂

And as @arbutus and @bluesqueakpip  mentioned Graham has plenty of time to evolve.  I think I wrote something about that on page 1: “teeth” is as much a metaphor as having a ‘gross scare.’ I don’t think Moffat is the only one capable of twists and metaphors. 🙂

@whisht absolutely: it was quite ‘militaristic.’ Effect could be removed by dropping the echo and ‘thinning’ down the width of the pitch. Basically a bongo drum with limited echo-creep would work – in fact it’s better played (or drummed) than synthesised. It’s easy to ‘stop’ the sound with your other hand. If that makes sense.

@arbutus waving with joy!

@cathannabel

I did rather like that the monster, whilst being brutal, was a bit crap. They tend to be invincible till suddenly they aren’t – as soon as she’d sussed that he was cheating, because he wasn’t up to the job, he was toast 

Brilliant!

@bluesqueakpip  you mentioned the fact Tennant re-grew his hand. I mentioned this myself elsewhere too. I’m getting the impression that many people could benefit from scanning some posts? I guess I find it frustrating that simple questions like “how can the Doctor have no cuts & bruises?” require complex answers when it’s established in-Who for decades. Ah well!  I understand that’s really my problem -a lack of patience! Your patience is enviable. But then…..hideous medical procedure…so therefore I have none….(or very little and so need a quick slap).  😀

@starla me too! I have the same love for it. More, even, than the Christmas Invasion with Tennant.

@notime Great theories about purple-vase-of-the-’80s-thingy. I too initially thought it was a regenerating TARDIS.

Kindest, Puro (and bloomin’ great to see so many regs and so many newbies. Long may you all stay). And @fatmaninabox I hope your complicated computer situation will solve itself. Throwing it around the room COULD help. I’ve done this myself but sadly not in an attempt to fix anything. I’m like drunken salad guy right now…

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@tempusfugit

Agreed. I imagine it won’t just be one baddie after another. I do recall in Buffy (and I aint no expert) that there were quite a few monsters of the week but it was in between the monsters where the characters’ growth occurred.

Doctor  Who has always been different, as you say. A very special kind of different which has ballooned into this mega-thing since 2005. We all want it to succeed. And with that comes nerves. I can’t imagine how Chibnall must be feeling. I loved (still do) Moffat’s work. But I expect he needed a rest.

Puro the Elder. 🙂

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@tempusfugit

No, not at all! We should have been clearer. I get what you mean, I also really loved Grace. She was everything you’d want in a character -in a real life person. Maybe they created her to be so very loving and positive so we’d feel that loss with a lot more ache? So, all in all I think it’s a hard thing to do: to let her die rather than the more confused, possibly less articulate Graham Grandad. Tough choices? I get that it’s difficult. For sure.

Now, that’s the Mother Speaking -Puro. I was once here on my own, as purofilion. Even though that handle’s changed I still refer to myself as Puro and it’s confusing.   Apologies.  And on to the next episode. I too have some concerns about the whole Chibbers package but from the depths of my memory I recall him being an absolute fan-boy of the show. I hope there’ll be lots of uppers and less downers. I speak personally. 🙂

(Puro).

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@tardigrade  @pedant writes this above:

But functionally, she is a bit like the Eric Balfour character, Jesse, in the first episode of Buffy (Whedon wanted him in the main credits, but the network wouldn’t let him). It is a signal that nobody is safe. It is also floats the question (which is is nice to see acknowledged in this thread) of why we care about her death more than drunken salad guy or the train driver.
And also, in storytelling terms any victory must have a toll (the exception being stories of misunderstanding, which is what – say – Empty Child/ Doctor Dances was).

Liking Grace and wanting her to stay, and not Graham was the point. It’s far more real life but at the same time @tempusfugit there’s still a lot in the episode to feed our escapism. A purple-blue vase of frigid cold….not to be confused with ‘fridging’ from @rob above. I thought it was too, but on balance, not. 😉

Well, time for a shift on to sleep…

Thane. The Younger.

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@tempusfugit

Sorry, it’s Thane here. With the old Who and NuWho there was a large area around the TARDIS protected? I think @mudlark and others already commented on that part of history so I wouldn’t be worried. If they were in that cold outer- atmosphere for a pico-second they’d be instantly frozen.

With the score, I think Mum meant that if you fell in love with 9’s musical motif it wouldn’t have happened in the first 30 minutes. Also, back in 2005 there was no real way to look back to say, 1097 or 1989 and immediately compare as we can now. This makes us all knowledgeable and opinionated all at once! 🙂

Thane16.

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@at all.

Speaking for me, Thane, I loved it. Immediately upon watching the first 12 mins, I said, “Oh, Lord, she’s DONE it!”

I can see why others might not.

From a 16 1/2 point of view, it was very funny AND there were the jump scares.

I really liked how Doctor said, in response to “what if it kills us?” “it could have already.”

I took that to mean, not: “if it wanted us dead…” but rather “we could be dead and not know it” Loved the: “can’t ride a bike. Started an alien invasion.”  🙂

She did talk an awful lot and there was discussion as to whether that narration (describing what she was doing) was necessary for momentum but in the end, us 16-yr olds thought it was necessary, funny and it clearly delineated this Doctor’s personality: that she refuses not to help, that she’s good at building things and this beauty of a line:

“I’m not yet who I am.”

Isn’t that great? It tells us all that we can change, move, regenerate for the better (or worse) so, all in all, this wasn’t preachy or speech-y but fast driving and villainous.

@tardigrade as for slow pacing? That really concerns me, because it was very fast paced, and to me, also very tight. And I watch some REALLY fast shows. Lots of Moffat writing was extemporised with large reflective gaps. So, I’d have to disagree with that view, on balance. I think the tone wasn’t bleak or  texture-less. There was optimism, a heavy dose of reality – in the word ‘Grace’ we have our entire premise. In that one word. I think Mum mentioned something like that above: I’ll have to get a shift on and read about that. With respect to her falling, I think Tennant lost a hand when he was still regenerating and it grew back so that explains why New Doctor can fall through a train and look beautiful: except for shredded clothes. 😀

From Thane. Thank you for reading.

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@pedant

I bow….

Followed by falling over.

Indeed Gold has made it clear, “it was a pastiche, basically. It was bloody hard. It was mainly samples.”

For the whole 1st season!  Later, Foster did quite a bit of the incidental music. I’d say that Akinola is at the stage Gold was at in 2002-03. We ought to give him time to develop. As for arcs, there’s something to be said that Buffy Season 3 wasn’t ‘arc-filled’ either. Sure, there was a general ‘plan’ but even that changed by the 5th- 10th episode and Who is half of the original American 22 episode run.  We knew where it was headed and I suspect within a couple of episodes we’ll gain the general impression for Who Under Chibbers.

I thought it WAS creepy but as I mentioned before, the Teeth of Scary Tim Shaw (TSTS) had a significant purpose: I didn’t think it was “proper gross” but it WAS proper scary. I recall the last time we saw Davros: now that was properly disturbing…..insane screams, fire, oozing daleks with their oozing bowels of sewers….   😀

Bring it on!  @tardigrade you’re back.

Puro and Thane

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@tempusfugit

Of course not! Nothing like that.

And certainly you didn’t have a go at him….and had you, that’s OK too. As I say, it’s not a “yes ma’am” place AT all. In fact being able to criticise is part of the site’s appeal because there’s no screaming or hassling, I just wanted to defend the dude a bit, is all.   He has one heck of a job and Murray Gold had many of the same issues. There’s an expectation to create a movie score every week. It’s like asking Superman to fly around the earth  -backwards!

Wait….

🙂

Puro.

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@kharis @missy @tempusFugit  I’m a Leo. And telling it like it is.  😀

I was a professional musician. So, speaking as an orchestral conductor the music was quite difficult to write; it’s new; it’s not Murray Gold but it IS a composer with a pretty legitimate background. I think that were he, or his family, reading comments that it’s “extremely boring, cold” that would be hurtful.

I’m not saying you shouldn’t – and no-one is being particularly rude or unfair. Posts are honest. If this was a “yes-sir” site that would be a bad thing. But music is personal to me, hence my comment. I’m not dissing anyone, old or new but I think it might be wise to wait ’til the end of the series before completely hating on the dude. Or not. But I totally get it. We miss Mr Gold  🙁

You’d ask yourself, OK, I loved Gold, I connected with him; he was soaring, not a mediocrity (that’s harsh @kharis! but that’s OK), would ya’ll really have thought that back in 2005 after the first 30 mins of a completely, utterly fresh new soundtrack?

It’s early dayz.

Puro

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@kharis

I understand the teeth, though. Check my post on page 1.

As for the music, ooh, that’s harsh! I actually thought it had some lovely orchestral moments? It wasn’t Murray, that’s for sure, but I do think it was in the upper portion of successful for something so obviously new. Again, that’s just my personal opinion….

Puro

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@nearlysane

Great handle!

Yes indeed this is a sane site as @janetteb indicates. The only twerp, last year, who became erm, difficult was actually me (but I totally put that down to medication & general insanity   😉

Agreed. I imagine the flame wars and unhilarity -hilarity would be most unbecoming for a civilised person. I assumed (foolishly) that people would love the entire episode. I’m confused as to what’s not to like?

Still, my bad, wrong thread.   😀

Welcome

Puro and Thane16

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@scaryb

I KNOW! Art, right? Mr Malik. Yonks ago, when I was 14, my mum had a large crush on him. It was pretty inappropriate, but she remembers it well….

Agreed re choon. I loved hearing the ‘B’ side as well, which since 2009 has been missing (I have it as a ring tone).

Puro

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@rob sounds wonderful!

@scaryb  oh, that be very clever….the top’s poking out. I like it!

 

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@translatorcircuit  welcome to the forum.

Thomas Jerome Newton (Bowie) was quite a bit different from our Doctor. In many, many ways, but it was a particularly good film.

Sounds like you enjoyed the episode then? 🙂

I’ve no doubt at all that the newly minted companions and a fully regenerated Doctor will survive in space -who, knows, there could be a large protection-area around the coordinates of the Tardis meaning they’re able to breathe happily. Or not…..

Puro (Thane16)

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@blenkinsopthebrave   Oh no! That’s awful. I think there’s a lot of positivity about this series and it will be interesting to read all this, ponder and then 8-10 months later (?), to actually see it for the first time.

But on balance I agree: the cellar is the way to go. That and I’m sure @rob agrees heartily, some very good coffee.

Possibly lollies (jelly babies of course) and chocolate too. Maybe even gelato.

In fact, the whole darn grocer….    🙁

Much love to you and Mrs Blenkinsop, Puro and Thane.

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A few ideas popped into my head after watching The Woman Who Fell To Earth.

I know people think Rise Against is too much like Minor Threat but still….the episode highlighted war, trophies, injustice, fair play, authenticity and loyalty.

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@rorysmith

The worst part was how they very specifically pushed the female agenda. This is sad because it feels artificial and pushy

You mean the advertisements were pushy? In Oz, at least, we have no ads (as yet) on ABC. This was up on site at the same time as UK viewers watched it and without ads is SO much better 🙂

I’m in love with this episode. I enjoyed Grace – in its many forms: in a name; on the lips of the dying; in a legend written across galaxies; in a grandson who straddles a bicycle, rides it, falls, falls once more, clenches teeth and tries again. Teeth – evidence or aspect of which remains after death as a reminder of lost souls. For every tooth, a person with a brother waiting to know ‘why?’

A reminder of people playing with lives across our planet, tribal warfare or foolish games, gathering trophies in the twilight of their years, repelled by love, scornful of pity, parasitically dependent on ‘likes’, demanding tributes and furious when others are happy, cynical in the face of bravery, walking away, but never to, begging for chances but never giving one.

To me, it captured the Doctor’s constant reminder, over 50 years to “be better, fairer, kinder.”

All of the key Doctor elements were right there. ‘Good men don’t need rules, today is not a good day to find out why I have so many’ and ‘no plan, no backup, no weapons and nothing to lose.’ As well as my personal favourite, with the gender swapped, ‘I’m a mad-woman with a box, without a box!’

Someone ought to tell Dan Martin that.

Score 1 for Chibnall.

Kindest, Puro.

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@fatmaninabox  -on the other thread…I was crying-laughing. But not REAL laughing because my computer is obstreperous. Shutting it down works occasionally which annoys me (Thane in particular).

Just to say a quick hello to all newbies & oldies as well & hoping to see @arbutus on these pages soon.

I actually loved the episode. The tremendous build up was paced perfectly & the characters -in particular granddad Graham and Grace were very nicely put together. As were Yaz and Ryan. Agreed Mr FatMan, she reminds me of Paul Abbots No Offence too.  I thought the suspense was terrific.

I was in it from the get-go. But I’ll avoid any Daily Mail, TV week reviews. 🙂

Thane and Puro

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hee-wheey  (timey whimey whee-hay).

Loving IT! The beginning, the bike, was awesome. The golden-thing looked exactly like my portable clothesline, which, when you move it, falls apart.

The Golden Clothesline.

Good to see all the regulars back.

She’s terrific, aint she?

Puro.

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@pedant

A little nudge from some birds (possibly Osprey) told me Mr P has a birthday! And on the same day as the New Doctor. Hooray& and hip hip; hip hip…..

(LOL, I’ trying to keep up….      😉

Puro and Thane.

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@pedant

That’s awful for your dad, Mr P. It would’ve been painful to go through & also to watch. Awful.

And I didn’t explain myself well.  It was sufficient evidence of my own foolishness.

The aspirin issue was my own fault. Had I been a normal patient without the susceptibility to nasty ulcers, nurofen would’ve been fine. Had I actually read the label I wouldn’t have been in a pickle as I wouldn’t have swallowed it.

Everybody else does fine: taking 2 tablets. Even more dumb? I took 3.

That’s evidence of something else: Thinking I’m somehow immune to ulcerative gut syndrome when I have Crohns

Puro.

 

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@pedant @mudlark

Yes Mudlark I feel that’s important -she chose to stay away from watching them all. Or at least the more recent incarnations.

I agree, he was. A lot of people loved him. I have to say I was one. A bit later, perhaps in repeats I found him a tad irritating but then, knowing Tennant, this was exactly the personality of Ten’s Doctor he wanted to capture. There was that frantic talking, a tps of arrogance, a tbs of urges……Elizabeth 1st and the wonderful Madame DePomp. etc. I remember that huuuge Children in Need concert, turning on the Christmas lights in Wales, and DVD sales shot up magically with RTD. Some episodes weren’t my thing, others, like many with Donna, were. So, all in all, it’s easy sometimes for me to say “didn’t much like Tennant” when that’s totally false. Thane and I were both smitten.

Smith on the other hand was just more convincing -personally -and there was a ‘fantastic’ quality to this that captured what I needed to see at that time.

Puro.

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@mudlark

Yes exactly. The tiny amount given in these preparations wouldn’t ease one toothache.  Statins = tummy aches in many.

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@bambi70006

My childhood goal was to be Queen of England until my mother explained to me how that works.

LOL! Welcome Nancy: it’s good to see another American joining this bunch.

A retired surgical nurse? Admiration is oozing. It’s not an easy job at all, is it?

I watched The Crown too -I think I’m in the middle of it 😉  Timey-whimey.

There are quite a few shows, here in Oz, that are tempting on Netflix & the ABC so it’s easy to get behind. I think if people, for whatever reason, don’t like Doctor Who or it’s no longer ‘their thing’ there are so many other options.

Btw, I’m terrible with commas & whilst I’ve had to write in my varying jobs, making music was by far the easiest thing to do -or less challenging (for me), than chewing my lead pencil trying to create an eloquent sentence.

On the Forum, I’ve found some fantastic people who have become best friends. I’ve also learnt from them; a couple in particular, taught me how to frame a sentence, to think more clearly, to stop second guessing myself & also to trust.

I hope you have a terrific time here enjoying your adventure into the remainder of Dr Smith’s episodes & Peter Capaldi’s.  Maybe you’re a fan of the new Doctor? On the Spoiler’s page you’ll find discussions there. Some people don’t want to know anything about the new show before it appears (like it used to be, a whole ice ago ago!) but I can’t help but peek….I also like surprises…..& the new show-runner does too, I think.  😀

Kindest,

Puro (I’m the older one. Thane16 is the younger).

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@missy @pedant @mudlark @whisht

Funny Story.

I was diagnosed with Crohns, right. I was told: “don’t take aspirin or disprin.”

About 10 years later, some awesome headache relief appeared in the name of “nurofen.”

I was working hard & studying but not into studying labels. I took 2, sometimes 3 & it was AMAZING. So much better than Panadol! (paracetamol).  Occasionally I felt this pain in the tum, you see, but I had Crohns…..no biggie.

New doctors would say: “now, you’re taking this medication & this & staying away from aspirin, right?”

Sure! Because I follow ALL their instructions. I’m no doctor.

About 5 years later, I’m buying up some grub & medicine in the pharmacy & I point toward the bright orange  nurofen. The nice lady says, “right, we have paracetamol, claratine and aspirin.”

(I’m not really listening)…hang on, say again?

“You have…. aspirin?”

Oh SHIT!

A month later: my tum was awash with blood & ulcers.

I should’ve listened but also read, thought & pondered.

The half aspirin recommended by doctors isn’t by any means recommended by all of them. Also, the amount is very slight for the treatment, as @whisht explains, of some vascular disease (& prescribed less than, say, six years ago).

Happy Who Week!

Puro.

 

 

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@pedant @jimthefish @bluesqueakpip

Would we REALLY know how good/like Tennant’s/like Smith’s/like Capaldi’s Whitakker’s depiction of Doctor is without the teaser, I wonder?

I don’t see, necessarily, how it is like anyone, myself? To me, it’s just ‘very’ doctor.  I can’t remember what post-regen confusion was -in the past?

Colin Baker:  yes. Tom Baker: ??  Doctor Number 3 was probably very saturnine…. & authoritarian. Troughton’s post regeneration confusion??

So we have a name for it: PRC  ?

Puro

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Macklemore on the same page as Rap God?

 

What is the universe coming to?

(Puro)

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Eminem. Strong Content Warning.

 

 

 

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@mudlark

jeepers, sorry about that: I forgot to thank you. That’s a terrific story -at least you sat on the stairs. And yes, now, wallets & purses contain whole lives.

In most 4th -5th yrs here there’s few group lectures. Generally tutorials where people get together to ‘bounce’ ideas off one another.

Puro.

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Whoa, “How’s everybody doin?”  We need to be aware, constantly, of colour-blind casting issues &, as Thane would point out, in both History & English, sources must be combed, fine tooth ‘n’ all for “representativeness” which I think is interesting for him (they started this in year 6 -so at age 11) considering all our points @pedant @bluesqueakpip @mudlark @jimthefish  @blenkinsopthebrave .  At that age, I would have known nothing about this -not til a “coloured” lad arrived at school & everyone started whispering. Some said bad things, others said “he’ll sing really well & move well in drama.” Hmm. Bad in a different way.

Also music is a thing….

I didn’t get into rap much but then I ‘met’ (in my head & gut) Eminem.

A very good artist. In fact, superb.

His more recent album, which I may point out on the Music thread, is quite something…

But I thought about this for reasons of representativeness, colour blind issues, age, gender, sex, drugs and rock ‘n’ roll:

 

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@missy

played by a white actor (why do people never get irate when they are called white?

I think that’s because some white people during the civil rights era believed that “negroes” -now African Americans were inferior. They were continually exploited by deep south sharecroppers into the late ’50s. White men continued to earn better money. At a point in 1962 an African American said “I can go to the library & see other black men working at a desk not sweeping. I can go to court and see them in the jury not the dock.”

The language can be the problem but as far as I can see many African Americans may call themselves ‘black’ when once whites called them “niggers” or “coloured.”  Maybe by using the term African American we can remember how these people came into the country in the first place -which is as slaves- then, even waaay past this, into the 40s/50s African Americans couldn’t obtain a mortgage & many -and I’m writing of the 1950s and 60s  – could not register to vote. They were expected to copy out parts of the constitution and then were made to explain what they had written. White people were not asked this during voter registration but African– Americans were  – even though they were still American voters and not different.

I hope this helps,

Thane.

 

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@missy

Understood!  🙂

From  Thane

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@pedant

Obviously the solution is to cast Idris Elba and get him to do it in whiteface.

Certainly. I would applaud this, via flapping,  from the cheep-seats.

Kindest,

Heron.

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@mudlark

and therein lies a tale of the soft heartedness of a theatre manager, though I will withhold that anecdote unless any misguided person is avid for further off topic ‘musings of Mudlark’.

*I am!*

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So,  we were talking about gramma.  Maybe also about annunciation.  Others have linked to this group before but not this hilarious number. @mudlark have a listen….

Puro & Thane

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@tempusfugit @missy

Will we have a Caucasian Othello next?

We have & they did: Originally Othello was played by white men.

There is also the matter of Nicholas Burt & Richard Burbage  🙂 In 1825 the first darker skinned professional arrived….& the rest is history.

Puro.

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@missy @tempusfugit

mmm. Not sure why that irks me but it does.

Actually I know why.

Patel is an extraordinary actor with wins and nominations across the planet. His role in Lion was unbelievable. His work in Newsroom subtle and clever.

I’d watch him all night and all day -no matter that he’s….English, educated at Harrow, no less.

So, no, he wasn’t born in Nairobi: that distinction goes to his parents.

Brown skinned, honestly.

Thane16

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@pedant

Thane & I are appropriately pissed! It’s not a good diagnosis.

At this point ALL the “advice” givers in my life would say “eat this, drink this, do this, exercise, don’t eat that” to which I’d say “go hang.” You have to ‘sit with’*  the diagnosis for awhile before, I suppose, working out all the ins & outs 0f what to eat & when.

🙁

Puro & Thane

*sounds like I just gave you some advice! Bummer. You could, of course, take some truly fantastic meds….. 😉

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@mudlark.  Thank you for that. A water-softener unit is pretty expensive here -even though older pipes will eventually need to be replaced.

Some while ago I mentioned baking (I think you said you weren’t able to recall this -but I did!) & your interest in it. As well as your love of gardening, creating ponds & other home improvement issues which you’ve carried out by yourself.

Considering some of your life stories – there was one explaining how you arrived in a very cold house with your parents after moving into a different are & neighbours came to the rescue with warm water etc. – I think you should write a book: “Mudlark’s Musings.”

From Puro and Thane

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@pedant

“milk in first”

This is something I’ve never understood.

I understand a lot about beverages: the size of wine glasses for different alcohol types…the perfect shape and size of a good coffee cup (and the thickness and type of ceramic or china used) but “making tea with the correct number of spoons, milk type, sugar (or both) and when” is damnably confusing. If I had to pretend to be British I’d fail then and there as tea-lady. In fact -horrors- I don’t even use a kettle preferring a small pot with lid which heats up the water quickly and produces no nasty scum in the kettle which is problematic to clean considering the hardness of QLD water

Also, this is our Sofa page and so I think discussing tea makes perfect sense. Tea is one thing the Doctor drinks… I think? At some point, in a different iteration, he went for coffee. But I do recall Mat Smith’s Doctor drinking a glass of wine. But, before swallowing, he spat it back in the glass. I roughly recall Josh Lyman doing this with a cold, old cup of coffee in The West Wing  -the second time he was ever brought coffee by Donna Moss 🙂

Puro

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@pedant @mudlark

Thank you Mr P for linking to Fowler. Rather embarrassingly the reference explains how “everybody knows this household name.”  Oops.

Also, I found this particular reference used the word “inflexion” which is apparently “British” but the more common “inflection” is used. Generally, when Australians write and speak we use British idiom rather than American but I hadn’t come across “inflexion” in that spelling myself.

When I happened to click further, I found the scope of  grammar (presumably as it was once taught) in that one article, enormous.

Interestingly, there was one phrase Wikipedia checkers missed: “In the English clause “I will lead,” the word “lead” is not inflected for any *of person, number or tense….”   🙂

* something is clearly missing….which, considering the grammar page, is funny.

Puro.

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@pedant

Isn’t it a factoid? 😉

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– -this particular one, “army” or not, doesn’t write particularly well.  Key misspellings. Considering our discussions on other thread I made certain to check 🙂

But yeah, she also gave me her “private” email which I’m doing nothing with, obviously.

And if Thane was answering he would know enough now to ignore this too -thankfully

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