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4 January 2019 at 12:45 #67066
@kevinwho He was camp wasn’t he? A jolly fine job. We started T, again. Re-booted this time, like the Doctor did 😉 This time with bought pizza bases and our own tomato sauce with….bacon and cheese. We also had a small amount of green things @pedant (just a few, mind) on the pizza like parsley, chive, rosemary and thyme 😀 😀
@mudlark oh dear, the froggies boiling away their chips in water: that would’ve mystified them…”it’s not brown, waddawedonow?”
“get cod and chips.” I was always fascinated by your cod and chips: one rainy night in the Lakes District we had the best fish’ n’ chips ever. The cod was beautiful. Here it aint all that appetising.
@pedant oh, pancakes, Gawd love ’em. My mother used to make them with whipped cream, fine sugar and mashed strawberries. We’d pile all this delectable creamy strawberry-ness all over each one. Noses covered in cream, gunks of it in our hair. Good times 🙂
Love the “till it’s done” comment. It reminds me of The West Wing (everything does) where the assistants are madly trying to stop an ‘event’ from getting worse, “so end it!” barks Toby, and when they ask “how, exactly?” He says, “by ENDING it.”
Puro
3 January 2019 at 15:40 #670483 January 2019 at 15:10 #67046So in summary, as ScarySofa persons and a mudlarker -ANY information whatsoever about cooking would be most welcoming. I didn’t intend to mean: “YOU”RE teaching Thane to cook! You? Mwa-ha haa!”
So, I apologise for that rather rude-ish post @scaryb @mudlark xx Can we put it down to the .005% of alcohol in the wine coolers?
Hmmm, probably not: although the very yeasty fragrance in the mouldering rye bread could’ve been a factor…
Puro
3 January 2019 at 04:14 #67040@scaryb @mudlark Oh, this is FUNNY. You’re teaching our Thane to cook! OK, so did I tell you about the pasta lesson?
This is was nearly a year ago. I said ‘right, get ready, later you’ll place the pasta in the pot.” Foolishly I went to the mailbox. Came back and said “where’s pasta? It was just here.”
“It’s in the pot.”
And so it was. The pot wasn’t hot and empty of water but droobles of pasta were at the bottom.
Lesson 1: fill the pot with water and when it’s at a rolling boil, slowly add the pasta.
Re: giblets. When buying frozen chickens in Brisbane, they’re usually in the packaging. When I have my wits. I make stock. The latter’s quite expensive and most people tend to buy it rather than simmer the bones etc.
Puro
2 January 2019 at 09:27 #67030@ragnarok I mean @idiotsavon of Savon Manor AND @scaryb 😀
Happy new year’s to you both. x0 x
I remember, yonks, or timey-whimeys agos, we had a Ragnarok theme during the end of the Smith era?
I’ve not watched the new ep yet. In fact, I haven’t hooked into the ABC much at all except for the occasional special from The Midwives or Foyles War.
@scaryb (This has been Thane writing today, btw): great to see you hear too! In “lighting the way back”, I had help from an adventurous helicopter ride/instruction a month ago and it was so good. I was using lights and as we were learning about Instrument Landing Systems (ILS) I thought timey whimy. (I haven’t got my actual driver’s license yet which doesn’t seem to worry dad . He’s a really good teacher but I reckon in about 2 months he’ll start freaking out when I travel over 30 miles an hour! )
I really hope the chassis is repaired well and not too expensively @idiotsavon and the biscuits and necessary coffees to help with staying awake were appropriate Christmas food. Your bonkers theories are always terrific which is great to read and tells me there are “arcs and there are ARCS” -some arcs are small and catch up with you like a thief in the night and others are big, clock sized arcs like ‘Bad-wolf.’ or “remember me you clever boy, run.”
@blenkinsopthebrave You must have very happy and contented cats, though? I LOVE cats (nd dogs but lesser than cats) but they hate me! Too many allergies. Our neighbour has a type of indoor cat which over 10 years has ruined her couch and also the stairs for unmentionable reasons 😉
Also why are giblets bad? Are they only in turkeys? I have turkey sandwiches (which I know are not how they are ‘built’ as it were!).
Thank you all, from Thane16 and wishing all the best from Mum and dad. And to the moderators for doing the tough mod work during this past new season with CC and JW: @craig @jimthefish @phaseshift. And also a big “hello” to @ichabod hoping the new year brings more comfort state-side
1 January 2019 at 10:17 #67004@pedant awesomely interesting. For some reason I always listen and watch these things the 2nd time around for the automatic subtitling. 🙂
Somewhere a “japan” and a “carol” featured as did “Cervantes and decibel” -the last was supposed to be DESMOND.
I find the “fervour” attached to these very industrious groups sometimes as exhausting as the condition itself. Certain groups -or individuals – have agendas an eon long.
I’m so glad your sugar readings showed massive improvement. As for the water closet situation (Thane is learning new words no matter how outdated, as occasional rest-rooms in QLD still show ‘WCs’ —>) that’s another matter.
As you say, “twitchy.” I’d add ‘better the wine cork rather than water-tap pressure on maximum…” 🙁
Doctors love scatological references and charades: “the adult diapers are on sale at the mo, grab yourself a pair” as if you’re considering the purchase of opal, platinum cufflinks.
Puro
1 January 2019 at 05:56 #67000@winston Happy NY to you, also.
Lets all grab a hold 0f 2019 and make it do what its told.
I love that! Using those memory or vision patches the Doctor uses would help. I think in Capaldi’s first season 1 of PC and Clara where she wants the Doctor to find heaven and get Danny back (naturally, the Doctor, practised at Aikido, and fully aware Clara has taken, or believes she’s taken, all the Tardis keys to the only place they’ll actually melt.
I know your brand of “it’s cold, really cold” is quite different from our type of Winter-ish cold: “Oh, gee it’s 22 degrees today and a minimum of seven and I need my scarf, coat and gloves.” Right now, I’d be happy with some middling Canada-cold (say, Autumn or beginning of Spring-cold).
Five years ago in Prague at the end of February, we were heading out of the hotel and I was wearing my all-purpose light wool suit. In certain chain stores @janetteb and @blenkinsopthebrave would know (Myer, David Jones) you can purchase a petite brand for us ‘short’ people, and, as it’s Brisbane, the suits don’t need a blouse underneath and are very light.
Foolish and a tad jet lagged, I had a pair of slip on open toed shoes, no panty-hose, scarf etc…. Sensibly, outside the tube station, there were various digits demonstrating the potential for rain and the current temperature of: “one degree C.”
The wind made it seem -30 (for a Brisbaner) so I had to skip back to hotel and re-dress -including high, warm boots -for which I was grateful, for more than one reason…
In visiting the famous sites, yet again, I was plagued by wind and rain, but also people coughing violently over us, sneezing, spitting up and snotting up on sidewalks. Oh I was proud of those people: my people – OK, distant ancestors, my former (sort-of) homeland demonstrating to good Czech, Slovak folk and tourists just how elegant and properly courteous they all are..
::Puro
27 December 2018 at 10:52 #66955@bluesqueakpip brilliant idea. For me, some distance from the show can cause me to realise that the reasons could be because of other things affecting programming
@kevinwho I just did this looong philosophy thing on logic, rationality and god: can you use rational thinking to prove the existence of God.
Sometimes we need to be emotional in the way we view/watch our shows. They become ‘ours’ to the extent we say “it’s MY favourite show.” Or here, Doc10 or Doc 2 was “my” Doctor? But if people are frustrated by something -like the characters, or the amount of people in Tardis or the accent they can sometimes write: “these are lazy writers” or “I dislike the Doctor, now so get better showrunners” . Being objective is great but it’s hard and some people fall into using comments that aren’t constructive like “Lazy writing” or “I won’t watch the show in protest” when there’s no way anyone is going to a) care whether that person watches it or not or b) can’t prove anyone is or isn’t watching it.
Also the very same people who hated Moffat (& there were a few) would’ve said in their echo-spaces, “Ban the MoffBoff” and bring on “better writers. Bring back RTD.”
Also, way back in 2009 or 2005 lots of people wouldn’t have had a hag’s ear’s idea of what a “writer” was. Or possibly wouldn’t have named any.
Somewhere here a poster said “I wonder what JJ Abrams could have made of Doctor Who” etc. Abrams did Fringe, I think: after 24 episodes Mum and I were bored to our wisdom teeth and it was @pedant who said “stop watching it and get back into House” and that was a decision I don’t regret!
Lindelöf and Abrams did Lost and the former wrote Leftovers, possibly as good as House and other shows I’ve enjoyed in the years I’ve grown a brain but I honestly can’t imagine Abrams doing Who: mind you, what’s the worry in not deciding that? After all, I did that with Chibnall because of a season of Broadchurch. And I regret writing anything about that because Who has been great this year. Also, I’m no expert, at all, on writers so when people join a site to write crap like “sack the writers. Replace the showrunner” and yet never say explicitly why it’s such a problem I’m keen for them to piss off! We’re taught daily to look at implicit and explicit commentary, intentional objectivity or subjectivity.
T16
27 December 2018 at 10:05 #66952completely ignore my spelling of Whittaker which self corrected! 😀
27 December 2018 at 07:58 #66951one more piece of proof the he is trying to fundamentally change how The Doctor is perceived. From Jodie Whittakers portrayal of The Doctor and the writing this season and now a new year’s episode instead of Christmas episode he has changed the series beyond salvation. I don’t believe I will watch next season in protest. I definitely am not looking forward to it…
It’s Whittaker, not Whittaker 🙂
The reason the show’s changing is that Doctor Who has been chartered to do this as part of its mission statement about how each show furthered the reason for the BBC to exist. In EVERY iteration of the Doctor and companions the show changed but it was still relatable, as Moriarty would say.
I have to grin if one week from xmas special to NY special marks ‘fundamental changes.’ This is a show ABOUT time therefore Chibnall is actually CLOSER to the mark when changing the day on which it airs.
You seem like a fun person so “welcome to the Forum.” It’s a great place for discussions about real issues. You’ve mentioned “writing” but what about the writing is causing dislike? To the extent that you won’t watch in protest? LOL 😀
It’s kinda like a hunger strike against Communism except this is about a show that you may not like because of a “writing” problem you’ve not described or because the companions are black and the Doctor’s a woman…..
When I was five my mother heard others making Doctor’s appointments: Can we see the lady Doctor please?” She explained this to me and I didn’t understand why a female doctor, dentist, painter or anyone else female was a bad thing! And that was 12 years ago! But as others upthread have said much better than I – @fatmaninabox – – waving to you and glad your device is powering up! and @blenkinsopthebrave – hope that celler of yours is being emptied! – – the whole show is based on complete change. I remember when people wanted the actor from Luther to replace Tennant but now, if they suggested a man from a different cultural group (never mind gender) bowels-leak would be ape-poo.
Also, I had an opportunity to listen to Tennant, the Bakers and Paul McGann and they ALL say the show has changed and that is its “absolute strength.”
Change = absolute strength in Doctor Who. Said by older Doctors, younger Doctors and…….the lady composer 😈 who made what is probably the most unusual theme in television shows since the ’60s!
T16 Give Doctor Who a Chance!
26 December 2018 at 05:00 #66934True, “my boyz”
“we’re not her boys” from Rory and “yes, we are” from the Doctor.
Enjoy Boxing Day!
26 December 2018 at 04:43 #66931I’ve almost fin-fished (gag, right there) the Vampires of Venice and despite how it was slagged off (a bit) I noticed Smithy being very, very ‘old’ school: “We don’t discuss this Amy. I tell you what to do and you do it.” Rory, in a weak voice says, “thank you” whilst Amy tosses her hair and stomps off.
Just re-reading the Sofa posts and the posts from the last two episodes from our current series, and boy, have we come along way in those few years.
26 December 2018 at 04:23 #66930I overlooked that comment, Missy! Yes, Thane is not only “mostly patient” he is incredibly patient pretty much all of the time.
Puro
26 December 2018 at 04:16 #66929@winston thank you yes, the stone fruits are the best we’ve had in10 years. Mangos are spectacular. Your favourite son did a very good deed, indeed. I’m watching Smithy right now. Everyone else, in the middle of Boxing Day, is having a long nap but as I didn’t wake til 11, I’m not in the least bit sleepy.
Too much cold aint all that good! I’m not sure what I was watching -could’ve been the song posted above or the one on youtube -the Silence song (?) but it led me to Netflix & I’m watching the Vampires of Venice: I saw it only the once, away back, and heard that it was considered pretty silly but some of it is hilarious!
“They’re aliens!!” (whooping ) and Rory yells,
“what’s the matter with you people?” Love it!
Puro
26 December 2018 at 03:30 #66926@kevinwho
Indeed we are. But I had a moment….wherein the roast pork, left in fridge for too long, wasn’t going to crackle. To the god crattklexporokox I prayed (also called the Bosch oven handbook) and soon ……(within 10 mins) we had pork crackling with potatoes dauphin – – @mudlark when returning would know the origin of said spuds – – and buttered peas. Neither lobster tail nor prawn for us Aussies this year!
@janetteb yes, I’ve seen the seen temp down there. Can you get to beach?? Fortunately it’s a tad less putrid here. Lots of ice helps and home-made lemonade and fruit! White nectarines and peaches. Whoa. I think we polished off 12 in 24 hours.
@fatmaninabox good to see your boxy head round these here parts. @miapatrick @rob (how’s that stallion?) and @winston — same to you all ((-_-))
Puro and Thane
23 December 2018 at 23:45 #66902@missy Ooh now, no-one upset Thane. And neither did he set out to be harsh etc.
You like morals don’t you? If you’re absolutely perfect then I guess you wouldn’t. As I explained upthread, at length, Tennant’s eps were Lessons In Morals. So were Capaldi’s -which, I believe, you would’ve watched at least once?
I think the issue raised was that the series you hadn’t watched was a lecture in morals. He had just finished explaining this to a poster and so responded by saying you like morals, no? Not harsh. It’s a fair question. And, as you often said, you loved Capaldi’s Doctor -a time with the double Zygon episode, a gay companion etc… The reference to watching them was that you hadn’t seen any but for Thane to properly comment he’d need to watch them twice but felt you had seen Capaldi’s more than once so he was being ironic.
I have a leedle feeling you were reading RTDfan’s comment and thought it applied to Thane when it was simply crossed wires. I’ve had to learn how to “spot the trolls” -something I thought I knew causing me some angst! So if you absolutely feel that he over-stepped a line, I shall be happy to slap him over d’head 😀
Puro
22 December 2018 at 12:47 #66883can I ask we treat each other with respect …and respect each others views, even mine, and keep the Forum friendly.
@RTDfan
I can totally be on board with that. In reading your post I think, yep, Tennant’s years were great and some were morality tales. There were a few straw men in Family of Blood, yes? 😀 Also part of the Doc is her using manners, understanding other views
So, I hope you didn’t see that as disrespectful -if so, my bad. I think @cathannabel said she applauded what I said -so maybe wires crossed 🙂
if you have already digested that lesson earlier in your life and deliver the results as part of your normal life you sometimes don’t see..
I think most people would argue it’s good to go over principles. Most of the Greek scholars wrote that “lessons don’t end. They can’t” and then there’s John Donne. Because you attended uni, you would have more knowledge about his satires than I would, certainly. I love education. Mum likes morality tales. They’re an expression of our core values, a friendly coalescing of our merits and demerits.
in that time I’ve learn’t a lot, both at school, college, and university, and I suppose that is the reason I can’t really engage in the new series with it’s in-your-face lessons….Jodie W. could be a great Doctor, let’s not start a huge debate as to whether she is or not…
I actually believe we do engage in debates about the new Doc -that’s why some of us are here 🙂 It’s true that the BBC as part of its culture was to educate -in Aus the ABC had that particular charter.
Thank you. G’night ya’ll. T16.
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22 December 2018 at 10:54 #66880As far as I can gather from posts, most of the recent episodes are a lesson in morals?
Are they? For me to understand that I’d need to watch them twice 🙂
As for “lessons in morals” I’m not sure what you mean?
Lessons in morals ARE what the Doctor does best and has thru every iteration including Whittaker’s.
You like morals don’t you? If you’re absolutely perfect then I guess you wouldn’t. As I explained upthread, at length, Tennant’s eps were Lessons In Morals. So were Capaldi’s -which, I believe, you would’ve watched at least once? Thane
22 December 2018 at 08:58 #66873@cathannabel I like The Day of the Doctor and The Time of the Doctor and The Name of.
That’s Who! For others, it’s gonna be Diehard 2 . When Bruce is around, you wanna hide from the automatic weapons. Thane
22 December 2018 at 08:12 #66871@RTDfan
they took me out and away from the pressures of the daily grind. They didn’t attempt to provide moral lessons or other points of political correctness that the current, and many of the recent, episodes have tried to do. Dr Who should not be a vehicle for certain people at the BBC to project their political views.
And you loved the Tennant years? 🙂
I thought they were pretty good too!
If you don’t like moral lessons or political correctness -the latter which someone taught me means “courtesy to others who may be different or actually might be completely the same” -then I’m wondering which Tennant episodes you could like?
It was long time ago for me: I was about 5 and then watched them again later. I don’t think you would like –
(in no particular order)
The Satan Pit
42
The Christmas Invasion
The one with the werewolf
Turn Left (where Wilf says “it’s happening again. Like the war!” The closest ep in that era dealing with the same right-wing bandits who think morals can’t be “too obvious. (not saying you believe that!)”
The Waters of Mars
Midnight
Utopia
Fires of Pompeii
Human Nature (remember Martha in this?)
Lazarus Experiment
Girl in the Fireplace
Daleks in Manhattan
Gridlock
New New earth
The Titanic One
Every one of them has moral ‘lessons.’ You know what I reckon? When there are no more lessons to be had then two things: 1) we don’t need them anymore or 2) or we think we’re too good for morality which is the beginning of some ‘end.’
I come home from my daily grind which I respect but mostly dislike and I want something chewy, tarnished or glowing, bedevilling, assailing, frightening, gloomy, chunky, wacky, timey-whimey, chatty, shocking, something making me grimace in disgust so it makes me stand up to attention. I want: seductive, gruelling, compelling, explanatory, narrating, descriptive, eclipsing all other things.
I want a frog when I have no earthly clue why! I want triangles and oozy seven stomachs with flesh eating moths and cloth eating spiders. I want to point and laugh at people who think its OK to build crap hotels on top of waste and hide their profits and then I want to witness against them.
And I love the Doc. Her lack of sadism, her acceptance of me -because if she accepts Ryan who can’t ride a bike and probably can’t kick a ball, then I know she’ll think I’m alright because I sweat rivers and it’s embarrassing. My eyes are different colours and my hair is curly, I have to shave and can’t drive and I stand by my religion but I dislike God sometimes so I think I could sit with Yaz’s gran and talk about it. I don’t have male role models as I’m 17. I have dad but Graham’s like my uber-dad: really awesome for 1 hour.
Everyone likes something about the show I reckon . Thanks for reading: Thane
21 December 2018 at 05:42 #66849thank you: but I think “admirable” is a tad too kind! And what if I become a horrendous person when I recognise trolls -or think they’re trolls? Then what? 😀
I guess, engaging is the problem.
I imagine they sit there on several hundred sites typing away, making an account, re-making several more: could explain the shocking spelling, lack of tagging, poor punctuation and the obvious elements of a show that over 50 years has been so complex and yet they still crap on about “3rd wave feminist” (are we in a 3rd wave?) and “race grievance merchants”?
What the HECK is the latter? Some idea that a particular culture has a fake grievance about….gee, being treated badly by said racists?
It’s all too much, mate (in the words of the irrepressible Cleaver Greene). I guess speaking out against them should be the thing to do but clearly, not. At one point one of the sock puppets said to Our Leader, “thank you, I’m not the one personally attacking.” As if “not engaging” with them was making them look good, to some degree.
Boy -h boy, it’s a confusing world for a woman with a baton who still plays CDs (I gave my vinyls away in 1989) and watches re-runs of Gilligan’s Island on a small colour TV that doesn’t have remotes and occasionally forgets the world possesses colour. Technology clearly isn’t the problem, it’s the people whispering or yelling behind it.
Lordy. I have baking to do and it’s 38 today. No way am I baking anything except myself .
Puro x
20 December 2018 at 03:32 #66840@winston @blenkinsopthebrave then there’s Polar Express. In its first release to DVD Thane watched it upwards of four times a day over several weeks and into the next Christmas. 😈
I’m now making him sit through it again. I like some of the associated attitudes of kindness, mystery and adventure, thoughtfulness etc. It’s been at least 11 years since I’ve plonked down on the sofa to watch it, with a glass of vino (or plonked with plonk). Most reviews seem to be positive but 56% RT isn’t a good sign. At that time there were no ‘metacritic’ analyses so it was good to see something independent of professional or amateur reviewers.
Winston: Just saw a trailer for Scrooged -never even heard of it before! Has Karen Allen AND it’s also a Richard Donner film -Lethal Weapon(s) and The Goonies (loved that one).
But Thane is rootin’ through Buffy and Angel. He was asking if there were Christmas episodes for Angel: I’ve seen all Angel eps once only so I can’t recall. On the other hand we’ve seen the Buffy Halloween and Christmas eps a few times now. 🙂
Pur-ox (I like the ‘ox’ imagery -what with my ahem, cough ‘slowness’ with the tedious trolls. I can imagine one or two Forum members doing a facepalm saying “How can she be SO stupid?” But I shall defend all stupid people: “I shall speak for all mediocrities! I am their champion. I am their patron saint. Mediocrities everywhere, I absolve you (Salieri).”
20 December 2018 at 02:55 #66838Aw shucks! I’ve been bloomin’ difficult! I have to thank everyone telling me, ooh, 5 times “no DON’T feed them” and I used to know what a troll was ! Or so I thought….
I have a clue what a sock-puppet is now –I thought it could be a good-person (I know, right?) like Cumquat who shows up once or twice and vanishes. Also @bluesqueakpip mentioned ‘persona’ and I thought, OK, a persona is a type of person, so a troll, ‘persona’ is someone who makes several copies of themselves (like cybermen); re-making accounts with the same grammatical mistakes and using the same repetitive hostility against the same groups whilst bleating on about “poor white males told we are The coward, or the stupids” when, erm, not surprisingly they can’t write. In English.
The in-box alert tells me what some of them have said -prior to deletion. So, who knows, maybe they’re very large White Russians (I prefer the drink, myself) attempting to derail whole systems. My nephew a graduate of the ASD, is a freelance techie of ‘parallel code’ (no idea what that is), traipsing around the world (in London recently) lecturing on code-breaking, new fire walls, hack prevention/ intrusion. Sounds terrifyingly complex to me but apparently he’s gifted.
Years ago, back in 2013, I was a so-called moderator on one of the first Forums dedicated to musicians here. Unfortunately we had no real detection policy and ended up having to fight massive fires between Classical ‘musicians’ ( I use that term to define those who are not interested in, or care about, music after 1925, for example) and others. After 6 months, ‘laws’ were put up (not by me -I had disappeared) with 19 rules. It became so rule-bound that the very people we were trying to reach went ‘quiet.’
This here, has to be one special Forum: the continuity of people and avatars (or names, I should say), the level of discussion where Pip, @idiotsavon @mudlark gave Thane advice regarding his philosophy when I was in hospital (in and out: mainly out) and where other conversations on the Solitract thread were incredibly complex, witty and thoughtful.
@craig I sound like Donna from The West Wing: You should be proud of what you’ve grown.
Purox
20 December 2018 at 02:10 #66834Oh, now, that IS weird. Yesterday’s conversation: “what film we gonna watch?
“Scrooge”
“yes, but I want diehard 2, or any die-hard film too. But I like the plane one.”
LOL.
20 December 2018 at 02:05 #66832@bluesqueakpip @idiotsavon @craig @jimthefish
Right. I’m a taaad slow. I wasn’t aware that that person had actually been on other threads -most of my thread boxes aren’t ticked. And I get it: if we respond that’s their win, not ours.
I always thought talking, nicely, would help. Would change …..something. Thing is, a troll’s a troll. Lawdy.
It be a slow tortoise but I be getting there in the end.
Puro
19 December 2018 at 13:21 #66816Yes, context indeed helps. Prior, Donna is the one ‘made’ to type all while looking at Josh as if he’s gone crazy.
The next day Josh explodes with you wouldn’t believe this but they answered and Donna says “oh no, REALLY?” Josh replies along the lines of “You have to answer, right away. Sit down, type this” etc.
And yes, she wanders past with a faint glare. A feint. It’s nice.
@clarkkent1967 I think if you read my post above I explained some wonderful things about the site; what I felt about the show and that it’s good to look around. I also said if you head to the Forum page and the Home page there’ll be links to every episode. It’s a very balanced discussion and I think you’ll find what you’re looking for. Some people have really enjoyed this season whilst others didn’t take to the last two years with Capaldi. I happened to have enjoyed both. I’m easy to please 🙂 So, as I said, welcome.
@janetteb I think Real Life tends to get in the way, doesn’t it? Not easy. I think Life is Busier than Ever. More news to watch, more to do, more to cook, to read, to weed….x
19 December 2018 at 11:39 #6679419 December 2018 at 11:36 #66793@pedant ah, OK, out of tune and out of time is a Vaclav Havel prose about hope and the Velvet revolution.
I think Capaldi would’ve appreciated Havel:
The redemption of humanity lies nowhere else than in the human heart, in the human power to reflect, in meekness and human responsibility….in time there is hope; tune can be applauded but sometimes run away from both.
19 December 2018 at 11:22 #66791@pedant I get it. I really do. But personal attacks like “You’re pathetic” etc doesn’t help the tone. And if it changes one mind, and it allows for other posters (of some note) to read, and to realise there are people who can use measured argument and discussion then it’s not feeding, to me. One feed is all they get from me. A drip feed: it’s giving them one shot.
Also, didn’t you mention once, though I could be wrong, that fascists should be told “NO” and, ahem, punched in the head? 🙂
Nasty repartee is bad -I wanted to avoid that. But I apologise to you and @craig for doing possibly the wrong thing entirely. I ‘tink it was the “pathetic” that did it. I’m many things but pathetic aint one! I can be a duffer, a buffer, out of choon, out of date, out of line, but pathetic -that’s too much 😀
Ah, see, this place has taught me to think, be curious, respect the others and 4 years ago was taught the urban word: ‘troll.’ I still have trouble, exactly, working out who they really are! Also on the Sofa, a little gift. You get to play Claudia! Puro and Thane.
19 December 2018 at 10:48 #6678919 December 2018 at 10:46 #66788I understand you don’t wish to have us discuss or talk to certain posters. But if attacks occur then a smart and sensible response should be permitted by us. As long as we try to stay above that cranky and furious level -remaining level-headed, I suppose. I hope you don’t delete the comment on this page because it shows the line that our friend has now adopted. But on a Blog page where many people visit, I would think it could turn off our sensitive members and in others, yield only rage which is acceptable at some way-point but, rarely.
I don’t wish to be seen as ‘pathetic’ and I’m strong enough to laugh that off but I do hold with responding to a poster who labels me and yet despises over 60% of the world’s population: also a measured response acts as a bellwether for future posts by others on the site who are active in supporting the show but also, beyond that, support those who suffer: who are lost, damaged or wondering if revenge is indeed the right or correct action knowing that it will change them in ways currently bereft of understanding and description.
Puro and Thane.
19 December 2018 at 10:29 #66785there are no legitimate points to “dispute.” You’re using terminology created in an echo corner of your own devising which leaves you a construct much like a solitract but with less consciousness and salient argument. Stating “it’s SJW” or “grievance….somethingarother” doesn’t present debate.
I feel you dislike black people, foreigners, women and women’s rights. I imagine your great-grandmother’s, working toward some measure of equality, turning in their graves.
Please understand I’m not ‘shouting’ at you; I’m not incorrectly tagging you, I’m not attacking you or calling you pathetic (as you have us) but it seems you have created an account (and many in various media platforms) in order to dismantle whatever joys this series has brought us by a dalliance with vastly out-dated political platforms celebrating simplicity, “an us versus them” mentality and a genuine hatred and fear of difference -including that of women, young girls, or young men with disabilities.
These were the same beliefs of Pol Pot, of Hitler, of Stalin. I’m not accusing you of being like the former but you show attitudes resembling them, at times.
If you argued honestly with zeal and modesty, we would be generous and position ourselves as listeners but when you say “Graham was a coward when he didn’t avenge his wife” you are throwing away the criteria and the rules of the Doctor -when every Doctor made plain that killing wasn’t an option. It is in fact cowardly to do what you suggest Graham ought.
Speaking as someone who is related to several family members who have killed -as part of their jobs, both military and civilian (as younger teens who felt they had no choice) it changes you. Killing creates a mask, a social dementia, if you will. Sartre says it nicely: “killing is abstract. You pull the trigger and after that you do not understand anything that happens.”
But there are all sorts of discussions to be had! Good ones, thought-provoking: so, with a slightly different perspective, I present Othello:
“Murder’s out of tune and sweet revenge grows harsh.”
Good day to you.
Puro.
19 December 2018 at 10:07 #66784I recall discussing this exact point with you too -last year, actually! I sensed a change but I do feel there are new posters with inclinations toward writing, editing and bonkerising with aplomb 🙂
I also thought, independently of you (clearly timey whimey), about chickenelly, thomck (sp) tardisblue? But others have returned : @rob @arbutus @cathannabel -these posters also present wonderful insights for you to read @clarkkent1967, btw.
Puro
19 December 2018 at 09:40 #66782I think @margaret-blaine above had some excellent points.
One of the things I found useful when joining was reading as many posts as possible -to get a sense of the site, its posters, academic or not, those who are published writers or not, involved with music as a career, or with experience in acting and script-writing. Over the 4-5 years I’ve been here (and this too was my first forum) I have learned some incredible concepts from people such as @bluesqueakpip @pedant @craig @blenkinsopthebrave @mudlark @idiotsavon @miapatrick and @arbutus (and many, many more).
For me to comment in detail now would be repetitive But I’ll do it anyway!). Perhaps, seek out my own responses from each episode as well as those above. I believe the writers have done exactly what was asked of them: a complete re-boot for a new era. An era that is marked by people like ‘M’ki….” (I shall not tag the whole person but you’ll get the gist) who has displayed tactics of medieval hatred mixed with illiteracy and venom.
But enough about that: to me, it’s a fresh, productive era, with many internal metaphors focussing on us as monsters -and when you read the venom, these aren’t fictional, unfortunately. A little bit like Buffy, where the ‘heroes’ have survived high school (the real monsters) and its complex sea of difficulties.
But despite the monsters within, our greatest contribution as a race, as humans, is redemption through grace. It was the fundamental principle around which the series was re-booted. It needed no arc beyond that. That they take different forms with each show-runner is the greatest but most subtle praxis or embodiment offered to new writers with a different set of ideas. To have continued in the vein of RTD or Moffat would have been a mistake, in my opinion. The show has revived some of its traditional fan base (again, see the other posts) and incorporated quite rightly -and necessarily -those viewers, and their personal interests in the series.
Children, mainly girls, are entranced and enchanted by the ‘gabby doctor’ -talking, explaining; rather than reacting with superior nonchalance as was often the case with previous Doctors even in the current era (AG). This Doctor co-exists with humans better than any Doctor before her. The idea fixee, if you will, is her completeness, sans the depression or angst from another set of regenerations. She’s confident, respects the ideals of humanity and stands by every element and precept of that Doctor whom we still recognise: encompassing all that is good and holding steadfastly to her personal creed:
never be cruel, nor cowardly, never give in, never give up.
In the end I repeated myself anyway! Timey whimey. 🙂 But a sincere welcome to your first Forum. Perhaps scan some posts? @bluesqueakpip @kevinwho and @pedant have recently written blogs regarding the series – well worth a read.
Kindest, Puro.
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19 December 2018 at 00:48 #66774On @Kevinwho’s Backing Away From the Premise are some comments by Magickirin.
Could they be removed please? If it’s possible (I know you’re busy). The nasty stuff about being a “female apologist” as if all females (gay or not) are somehow not just “unequal” but inhuman, virtually, no better than animals, is just grotesque.
Stunts the comments page. 🙁 But if it stays as an approximation of where the line is ‘drawn’ then, OK, I think!
Puro
19 December 2018 at 00:34 #66773Thank you! Also, ‘I seen you been busy’ (behind the scenes).
Also, I have to read your script/screenplay.
Lovely jubbly!
Puro and Thane
17 December 2018 at 00:57 #66690@kevinwho
Not at all. Give peace a chance. I mean, of course, write, write away! That’s how we’re supposed to do things. Many years ago I was looking at a pretty famous conductor’s notations on a score of Beethoven and I didn’t really like what was there so I changed the notations (in brackets naturally) and the orchestra was twitchy. I said, “Bloc 88 you are ALL over the place! Again.”
They wouldn’t change it. It was so ingrained. I had to live with this souped up, heavy European, ‘look at ME’ score because the concert was fast approaching and I wanted something lighter, softer, faster. But, nope. They wouldn’t budge and thus not knowing me from Adam simply ignored me in that area. I realised they too wanted to shine . Probably why they were pretty amateur.
Also many years ago I was told by a dear friend, who went the same route, “it’s for the music. Not for the musicians or the orchestra: for the music.”
They ignored him too. 🙂
16 December 2018 at 08:52 #66680@kevinwho
I like that! Thing is, is it possible, having seen him in Rosa, knowing the sort of person he is, knowing he was nursed back to health by the lady who would become his wife, would such a narrative be necessary?
I know that Thane likes a particular thriller author. This author, in his books, writes something like this:
“In films and books, the hero has time to present his case in order to arrest the villain they’ve been searching for across days/weeks/years but in the end, those speeches are wasted because the villain isn’t going to understand or care. He might try and trick the good character and in real life there isn’t time for long speeches. Everyone’s too damn tired.”
The baddie begs: “don’t shoot me. Don’t put me in the chamber for ever. I have teeth -money, people, planets…” The goodie is clever. He knows a trick when it’s coming. He knows the villain well enough now, who will say either “you are weak” or, “for Ux’s sake, stop TALKING!”
Next thing he’s in the chamber: “don’t leave me here. I hate it!”
And yet we don’t hear that because what else would we expect to hear? “I luurve it here, baby. Byee [finger wave]. See you in a 1000 years. You can’t resist meee, Gray-ham. I hold all of Grace’s memories. Mwah, mwha ha haa. She really rocked your bod, Gray-ham! Ha, haa!”
So, we’re left with the dialogue that Chibnall gave us. 😀 And it wasn’t what Tim Shaw should feel or why Graham isn’t going to kill him.
The episode, and the series, from the VERY first scene, was about the people, not the monsters. The monsters were often crappy or unbidden -like the spiders- those which weren’t, were in us: the American ‘chief,’ racism in the Deep South, the Kerblam system calling for ‘help’ against an organic enemy or the hatred of one cultural group for another in The Demons of the Punjab (really, the latter sums up the entire thing – the Witchfinder’s was also a battle between and ‘us’ and a ‘them’ -same with Arachnids – of which 80% of the world is currently frightened).
Puro
16 December 2018 at 08:02 #66679@mudlark thank you for your time! I appreciate you checking the internet for this information. I concluded, based on your determination, that the main issue is humidity. Yesterday: 100%. My joints ache like the proverbial.
Also, Thane, with a particular problem that affects his hip, had nagging pain during training put down to thick, sticky air, devoid of breeze – the consequence of heavy weather warnings two hundred kilometres north. Today, at LAST, it’s raining. The temperature is back to 24 when the nights and days have had the same temperature.
I pulled out an old lavender yesterday. Scraggy and grey-ish, it finished blossoming with a dull hue. The neighbour’s wild peach tree and other assorted water-guzzlers cause this smaller area to suffer. Also, as it’s more on her side of the area, I don’t think about it too often -which I suspect annoys the ‘Leisured Chatty Cathies of Coorparoo’ who stroll daintily up the road for their $6 coffees, pronouncing on the state of my garden and the neighbour’s respectively: “oooh, yezzzz, THIS garden looks quite good but must take aaages to work on, I mean we’d ruin our nails; and the other lady with ALL those plants and leaf litter? It devastates our precious neighbourhood, don’t you know? But that lady’s from South Africa, so what would you expect?”
Initially from Sydney, and determined to grow roses, the neighbour was undeterred by my laughing bark (pun intended, of course) and for 12 months they were quite a success. After that, mould grew, leaves fell off and they died, spectacularly. I was vaguely…..satisfied (she was always a tad nasty, leaving cat faeces in our garden, which with CCTV, I can now prove! Being nutty some years ago I would hide behind the fence, waiting to spring like a demon in the night, but no matter HOW early I was, she was even earlier, more astute, always cunning).
But the Idiot Gardner I employed for several years also planted a species of bramble rose -right next to the road (!). After 6 months they too died. This was costly for him as he had a ‘plan’ of replacing anyone’s plants that died if he was responsible for the initial plan. When I pointed out the inevitable consequences of this much vaunted opinion, he was cross-eyed with fear. I suspected then what I now know: he was neither businessman nor horticulturist.
In the position you wrote of in the past week (with diagrams of double digging) concerning ‘yellowing lavender,’ it seemed very dry. Whilst it could be the clay soil, humidity, mixed with dryness sounds like a diagnosis. It’s contradictory I know, as humidity indicates overall ‘wetness’ but we often have very high humidity, threatening rain, with only the tiniest of water droplets as lawns in the neighbourhood become dusty and brittle.
I should invest in a pH reader? I don’t think anyone I know even has one. But otherwise I’m continuing to guess; wasting time – yours too: and I apologise for monopolising it – – almost like a troll on a
Guardiangardening site 😈The Camelia is doing extremely well and the lilly-pillies in front of it are glossy-leaved, marching along nicely for such a slow growing tree. Everything there is content. The lavender, in that position, is an unusual variety, with blossoms like 2 butterfly wings in soft pink. The plant itself is extremely wide at 2 metres, presenting a splendid ‘bushy’ shape. I can’t recall its origin. Like all lavenders, if they’ve been blossoming for five years in Brisbane, I should be prepared for their inevitable depression and death.
On that morose note, I shall stare out the window willing it to rain again 🙂
Puro (how are those Christmas cards coming along? – – seriously, thank you for your enormous help. Bill us accordingly. Drinks and kebabs are on me and Thane: naturally, whatever needs doing is supervised by me – -and Thane follows instructions, precisely, understanding that this house, small as it is, may be his one day).
16 December 2018 at 02:17 #66672@craig That’s awesome!! I have this odd feeeeling. Timey-whimey: I can imagine the original writers and producers watching something like this and between them, saying “uh? That’s OUR Tardis.” That’s a ….a …cyberman….dancing the tango?”
Like a channel blip for CAL in that Library.
@winston I’m sorry. Yes I recall now, Ontario! Snowmen, Ah, a Doctor-Who link…..
@blenkinsopthebrave Thank you for that.
Puro.
15 December 2018 at 02:26 #66648Oh, no, keep it coming!
The water logged plants could well explain the new lavender right next to the old (but getting better) one. I have a sprinkler which drips slowly overnight. Still, at about 6 pm, I checked the depth of soil 2 inches down and it seemed bone dry. And yet…it’s starting to go a bit “yellow” -which is either water logged or too hot! No-one knows which. Honestly, I would have to locate a real gardener in Brisbane to inform me, no doubt checking the pH.
I mentioned my s0-called horticulturist (an ‘elite’ mowing man) was attempting to charge $156 an HOUR. Sod that (pun intended) and yet is responsible for the irresponsible hedging and other misdemeanours. I notice that of the six homes in the area he aint mowing a single one. Possibly, he’s switched angles, the weed. 😉
Christmas cards. It’s been a few years! Ahem. Must, must do better. In fact, I have time. I baked. I cleaned, with Thane’s help, every bookshelf and kitchen cupboard. Feeling well must be like this a lot of the time. It’s quite unexpected and is the best gift. Better even, say, than the Doctor herself 🙂
@winston you’re in British Columbia, too? I was looking around ‘bing’ with some gorgeous scenery. One photo displayed pool floats, tanned women, hats in hand, best-bikinis and on water SO clear you could see every stone below. In the distance were snow-capped mountains. This was high Summer, I expect? The water probably 10 degrees Celsius. Ouch.
Still, I want to live there. Sans bikini. Some of us are too old for that malarkey 🙂 Puro-planting.
14 December 2018 at 12:50 #66640apologies @mudlark , I didn’t thank you for explaining marl, double digging and the nature of soils.
The double-dig method has been an epiphany for me! For many years I would notice Father plying the soil with compost/ manure turning the earth occasionally so it was rich and loamy? For want of the best expression, the soil was soft, with some grit but not ‘packed hard.’ Digging into the ground was easy, producing blossoms by the dozen.
Not what I’ve done. I dig a hole, add water, some osmocote and then gentle lay the plant in with handfuls of potting mix (not too thick). It worked 75% of the time. Most people I know: dig hole, add plant, mush in potting mix, water.
Kerblam! Or not -in their case.
I can see I must use Father’s method: “let it sit. Add manure. Then wait.”
Funny, under a lilly pilly which I’ve hedged into a sphere, there was good soil. I planted ferns and never tended to them. That was 12 years ago!
I must adapt ‘back’ because the soil (after considerable water) in other areas is grey – almost that of concrete? Hard as nails. Lacks that rich- scented earthy smell. Beneath ‘the spit’ (which you explained) I’ve stayed away. Originally, I found not only massive boulders but like you, concrete items from builders who hid them, merrily turfing on top.
Good news. One of the hedged lavenders is re-shooting: the majority of the plant still flowering actually shades the new shoots during hot weather (tonight our min temp is 28 Cel) so with a bit of moisture I won’t need to rip it out.
Cross-fingers.
14 December 2018 at 11:59 #6663614 December 2018 at 11:23 #66634ooh, The Rick! Don’t you just love his hair?
Bowie: Well, I can’t comment on his talent. But I wish I had his hair.
rimshot 😀
Puro
14 December 2018 at 10:56 #66633@craig @pedant @kevinwho @nerys
I think we know exactly who we’re with, right?
Craig’s correct. Let’s not bother with the nasties who do an occasional fly-by. Talk of a character being a coward etc isn’t nice. If I were in charge of the sandpit, I’d be turning away. I think that’s a good plan. Otherwise he might need to delete whole threads.
The series has had a ‘tense’ response in a few nasty media circles. A few rough days, an occasional misstep, it’s been handled well here.
I loved the episode. @bluesqueakpip had good reasons why more than one ‘adventurer’ is splendid – from her place as actor and the practical arguments too.
Two companions could …..hatch a plot, or, chat at some distance from the Doctor, something they are scared to mention or are fearful of. Other adventurers could ask of one another, “am I a good father, uncle, sister (now it’s established the Doctor is all of those).”
It gives those same buddies a chance to grow and to do so away from the all encompassing ‘Lord Doctor.’ I loved Tennant and so many Doctors BG but the Doctor was THE number one
personalien with the companion, learning, only occasionally talking back which happily seeped into favour with Donna and later, with Amy/ Rory -so we’re working toward a 3-companion split as far back as 2010, particularly with River. The River Gang were heavy hitters: experienced, opinionated, aware of their influence on time and space.We just have a new set.
Puro with Thane-in-chat-mode.
14 December 2018 at 08:09 #66630huh? What did I do? I think I chatted REALLY well with @bluffme. I was discussing the post and asking ‘propa’ questions of the poster? at post #66594. But if you think that this person just wouldn’t listen – I get that. They probably wouldn’t. Which is why I being genuinely interested in answers!
And I’m not chatting with the untagged ‘magic’ person. Not goin’ there! 😉
But, sorry! I shall not talk too much.
P.
13 December 2018 at 11:48 #66594<p style=”text-align: center;”>making sure no one’s feelings get hurt, this generation of people wearing their heart on their sleeve. Where every child should get a trophy and not learn that regardless of intentions there will always be winners and losers in life.</p>
Here’s the thing…is it possible you’re conflating issues (above) such as there will always be winners/ losers or “everyone has to have a trophy” with this show?
Because I don’t think those issues -winners; losers, not ‘winning’ the trophy, were front or centre.
What DO you define as a winner? Someone who has accepted death, gracefully, like Graham? Because I didn’t see him as a ‘winning’ figure initially. He lost his wife. His step-son was suspicious of him. The fact Graham didn’t kill Tim Shaw and gently showed Ryan that he would always be there for him was a good thing, a great thing, actually.
This is a PG show, after all, and always, ALWAYS, it has taught the same thing, right from when the Hartnell Doctor regenerated on the inside of the Tardis. During Tennant’s time into Mat’s, we were taught (or told, or simply, that we listened) “never be cruel, nor cowardly, never give in and never up.”
The Doctor doesn’t give up. No matter what the iteration. Perhaps, deep down we don’t like being ‘taught’ by a woman -of all people 🙂
And as to your philosophy of not wearing our heart on our sleeve? Is that wrong, to you? Honestly, is it? I’m interested in that. I’m not trying to fob you off or be ‘pissed off’ at all. It seemed to me, that if people wore their hearts in a visible place, then the world would be better: because we’d put other people first -not ourselves, so selfishly.
Think of the Ood in Doctor Who all the way back in 2006: they wore their brains and the sensitive part of their brains…..in BOTH hands. They had to work communally. And personally I’m confused as to where the “don’t hurt their feelings” comes from. In this series, more than any other, the Doctor did not spare her companions feelings. In Episode 2/3 she said, “It’s terrifying and I can’t guarantee your safety.”
They didn’t go all weepy step out of the Tardis. They helped people solve things by fighting aliens and they didn’t give up, were never cowardly, recognised that the universe was as unsafe as it was scary -I felt that more in this series, than I did previously because the Doctor spelled. It. Out.
In other words, “companions, your feelings getting hurt are the least of your problems- dying is the likely problem.”
I should also add that tolerance is efficacious. Tolerance of kindness, of beauty, of gentleness must lie side-by-side with a lack of tolerance of hatred, nastiness, bullying, revenge killing, cruelty or victimisation. I don’t tolerate those things. I imagine you wouldn’t either.
Puro
13 December 2018 at 08:48 #66586Calcerous marl is, as far as I can tell, a calcium component or mineral filled with…..ahem, marl.
Marl.
mmm.
I have one Camelia. I had two several years ago and, urged to save water, took the water from which I’d boiled pasta, and poured it on the plant. Killed it stone dead.
The other Camelia is doing far better now because the ‘landscaper’ is no longer around. Thus he’s not ‘carping’ the Camelia, which, if I’m right, means that it would have received the wrong type of nutrition? Or unnecessary nutrition, at least?
Puro
13 December 2018 at 05:56 #66583@missy That’s wonderful! (the purse, I mean). I think they’re not over because (I suspect) after another 2 years they may well return to a male Doctor. Also, you chat with us -so you haven’t deserted the
shipTardis yet 🙂13 December 2018 at 03:43 #66581this season is a series of lectures.
But you haven’t actually watched it? 😉
Alas, no, it isn’t. Frankly, if it WAS a season of lectures then good: we bloody well need them. But as I said on the other thread -the Battle of…. (except it’s a long post) I never felt deceived or preached at. The villains are us: perhaps we need to allow the “better angels” on our shoulders to nudge us in the right direction. The Doctor is pretty gabby and I think more than a million people like that about her. She’s not patrician or vainglorious but one of the gang; for me it was the right time to introduce a less ‘alien’ Doctor.
Puro.
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