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ooh apologies for slightly rubbish posting (its late where I am and I’m kinda knackered!).

Someone mentioned Tempest – didn’t the play revolve around a ‘magician’ and his daughter, stranded on an island (with a monster) and a ‘hero’ comes along and whisks her off her feet (not words Shakespeare would have resorted to I’m sure).

But that’s merely part of the surface – gawd only knows subtexts etc etc.

Still think the PC’s death could be felt by the Doctor as being his fault (artron energy that lured it there in the first place is his) but Missy’s indifference could be that they never met (so no good tales!).

Therefore teleporting is still viable (the burnt hand being a manikin).

Its funny – if I think of the episode as a series of parts that interest me, then its a good episode (as I can ignore the parts that don’t interest me!).

[sigh – really too tired to make sense – apologies, will stick to weekends!]

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@scaryb – yeah, Floyd do seem to be getting the connections for this thread! (and no bad thing).

Barnable – quite earwormy indeed! Will now wash my ears out!

Hats (including fezzes) off to @phaseshift for metaMusicMagic (no Rita linking from me).

Though surprised no one was silly enough* to go for this:

*whadyamean me??

and whaddymean “caretaker” and “janitor” are very very different?

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he he @scaryb – yep Heroes was the other one!

Though we should link to another brick in the wall if that was what the Doctor was whistelling (I didn’t recognise it, but before I got tediumed by the Guardian blog, someone mentioned that that was what was what he was whistling).

I did have this for Clara based (incredibly loosely) on the eye motif:

so not suitable for needing to go to bed, but….. kinda grooovy.

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ah @cathannabel – I tried looking for the commenters as I thought itd be fun trolling the trolls (as it were) but just got bored by stuff beforehand.

which is a shame as it seemed like a fun thing at the time!

ah well, my mischievousness needs to go elsewhere it seems (thank god (missy??!?) for spellchecker on that word!)

missyspellchecker???!!??

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ah – hi @bluesqueakpip – I’m kinda with you on the not-quite-what-he-appears-ness of Danny Pink.

I actually meant that he could have been Sergeant if he’d joined at 18 and had had a good career in the army. Its the “5 years” which jars (as you say, 5 years is about right for the US army to be sergeant).

It just seems like such an oversight for this show, that they would either facepalm massively or its a plot point.

But maybe its just a gaff and I won’t let that take me to its logical conclusion

https://i.imgflip.com/cjqfd.jpg

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wow – so much caching up to do!
Apologies for being missing in inaction!

@scaryb – wow – great version of Sly andthefamileestone
funkeefunkeeeunkeeeeeeee! yeeahAhha-aahh-hh
(and that would be one helluva look for the next Doctor!)
(and never even heard of Delbert McClinton before!)

@wolfweed – Bankrobbery?? yah? blimey!

@craig – yep. Just yep.

I’ve got crime songs but the only bank heist that springs to mind… isn’t. Well, its not really a bank heist.
Perhaps that makes it more appropriate? dunno.

Sad to hear of someone great passing, but lovely to hear this music.
My classical knowledge is sadly pretty much zero – its just something that was never in the house when I was growing up. A bit of Mario Lanza, yes, but orchestral classical, no.
which is a shame as I approach it like either a mountain or weird countryside – slightly alien, beautiful but…. not sure I belong. One day maybe as its breathtaking!

I only have one song that I think is appropriate as a motif for the series so far, but probably more for Robot of Sherwood specifically, but generally I just get this sense from CapalDoc that he doesn’t want us to blindly follow him/others/gods/heroes.

I also think he’d appreciate the acerbic tone (though they were a bit prog weren’t they??!??)

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btw have loved all the insights, thoughts and bonkerising on this thread and Deep Breath.
Hate to pick any names out as I’ll forget people but if I haven’t said ‘hello’ to @idiotsavant and @phileasf already, then I should have!

I think (hope!) I’ve said hello to others I like (and generally I like everyone’s stuff, but really like learning new stuff like Goethe or connections I’m not even capable of making!).

As for themes, I am trying to think of good songs (such a shame @danmartinuk didn’t continue his musical links in his Guardian pieces! 😉 )

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so, after a rewatch and nothing new in terms of thoughts.
I liked it a bit more, but just finding this episode’s Doctor to be a bit too irascible, but hey ho, some great dialogue!

so, some dialogue that might mean something:
“humans have such short life spans, tick-tock, tick-tock”
There’s ticking in the background of Danny’s flat when he’s with Clara (probably only noticeable with headphones).

“Why do I keep you around?”
“Because otherwise you’d develop a conscience of your own”
[so when he does develop one, he won’t need her anymore… and she can live her life with Danny?]
“and when this is all over you can finish the job – you’ve explained me to him, you haven’t explained him to me” – explained on Clara’s exit?
[not that I want her to go, but it does seem a thing at the moment]

“My god”
“I’m sorry she’s a bit busy today”
Missy… well someone’s bound to have said Missy as God but… nah!
[still don’t think this is the afterlife/heaven – now thinking even more that that grisly hand of the PC will be a dummy’s hand and he was ‘saved’ by teleporting].

However I think my thought that Danny was from the future was rubbish – if Danny was from the future and had met Clara and the Doctor, why would he screw up the trap?

I wonder if the “5 years” of experience for sergeant Pink will be meaningful. The character is old enough to have made sergeant (if he’d joined at ~18 and is late 20’s-early 30’s now). Was it Corporal (awesome) Orson?
hm, probably just a blind alley.

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right – gonna watch it again, and this time (as I have foreknowledge!) I’m gonna watch out for:

PC’s burnt hand (I did think was a bit grisly for the kids to be honest, and unnecessary – unless of course its a mannikin’s hand and he was teleported to the Promised Land and it was necessary for us to be missydirected).

Clara’s age again – is she a Claricle I keep wondering…? will a denoument happen with her and the ‘original’ Clara?

Is Danny River-esque in that he’s actually from the future and has already met (and -eek- killed??!!?) Clara? Did he say he’d killed a woman? Did he awkwardly greet the Doctor?? What is his ‘thing’?

Will “Disruptive Influence” Courtney grow up to be a D.I. Courtney in a future episode?

I need an extreme closeup of Chris Addison’s gold lapel-pin (clue???)

And finally – the Tardis on stage. If no one else does, I certainly remember someone here who built a Tardis for the stage (can’t find the bloomin’ posts!). Though I don’t remember pics of the final design… @shazzbot might be able to though…

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ah – hopefully not too late to wish @purofilion and familion a happy holiday!

[apologies, been busy at work and reduced to lurking at odd hours!]

Also – hopefully @jimthefish comes back soon after the other stuff gets sorted out (thanks for letting us know @craig ) – I miss his voice already.

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Hi all – been a tad busy recently at work (the other part of my real life – this is real life too y’know, tapping on my keyboard!).

Anyway, just watched The Caretaker and was a bit ‘meh’ about it at first, but may give it another watch as I think I may enjoy it more on a second viewing.

I guess my ‘meh’-ness was mainly around the alien robot (in comparison to the incredible Teller) and feeling we were simply being set up for a meeting between Danny and the Doctor. However, there was fun stuff in there and it could just be that watching with a hangover may be colouring my thoughts! 🙂

And Danny – first there was family business and now he has a ‘thing’ that he has to do rather than go on the date with Clara… hm…

Sorry to hear you’re ill @juniperfish – but glad you’re still able to share the glitter!

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oh @idiotsavon – and @katharine and basically @everyoneelse, personally I’m really grateful for your input (and others’) as its fascinating (and educating!).

I don’t care if its an underlying theme from Moffat or not (ie Faust). I am really enjoying learning about Faust!

I actually think I made a mistake last night with my crossword analogy to what we do. I think it makes it seem that bonkerising is a form of not answering the clues “because we’re not clever enough”.

As you’re proving (and others before), people here are seriously smart.

I don’t know if this is a better analogy but perhaps this forum is closer to a response to a ‘dot to dot’ image of episodes, where the numbers are obscured (ie the writers code the numbers).

Some of us are able to see the actual pattern (based on knowledge of writing for TV, Dr Who, writing in general etc) and ‘intuit’ it, some of us painstakingly link dots together, rub the joins out and do it again and again and again trying to create pictures that suit the theme.
And some others simply join the dots into elegant and poetic images that suit the theme.

And some of us do all of the above from time to time. Because its fun.

What we don’t need is someone saying “those dots are a *******n” as that kills our ability to link those dots in a different (and often more interesting) way.

Maybe a better analogy?

We’re not cheating; we’re actually creative (as creative as the writers!)

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Hi @RickGreen – please don’t take this the wrong way, but PLEASE only post on the Spoiler thread.

Pretty pretty please.

even ugly please.

Maybe mauve please.

But basically asserting facts on any episode thread that are only known outside the context of the episode is pissing on our chips (or fries).
That includes “I won’t spoil anything but that character is actually someone else because I saw something/know someone in production” – that in itself is a fact that we really don’t want on the episode threads.
I know you don’t mean to do anything annoying but please, please just post on the Spoiler thread about anything (even if replying to someone on another thread – if you “@” them they’ll get the email anyway).

cheers!

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Hi @spider – ah I’m only gently asking as this, because:

(\(\;;/)/)

reminded me of Quinch.
Mind you, that’s how my brain works (hopefully I’ll never have to do a Rorschach test!!)

🙂

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@bluesqueakpip – I’m really sorry but if Devo Max is the caracter I’ve heard mention of on so many forums, then that’s a massive Spoiler!

Shame on you!

He’s the guy with the chainsaw sword thingy that cuts Daleks in half…. oh.

oops

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btw @idiotsavon – I’m really liking the Faust theories!

Mainly as they add a sheen of class to the bonkerising (not that they needed it!).

Although not connected, some comments from people (I won’t “@” them as I may be wrong about their views – obviously if they are contributors then they’ll say “yeah!” or “no!”) seem to suggest we’re attributing connections and intricacies in the scripts where none exist and giving writers (Moffat etc) credit where none is due.
[If not, no worries, I’ve misunderstood and the rest of this is just me farting with words.]

From my own point of view what I think we’re doing (or at least some of us) is riffing on what we’re watching.

Or…[scratching for a metaphor] its like being given oblique clues in a crossword and basically saying “fuckit – I don’t understand that clue, but if I put this word across here, then I can make this word down and this word across here. hm, ok now I need a word for here, so… well, this word fits, so…”.

Now, some of us are better at finding the oblique references, but others just enjoy making up shit and making the words fit the crossword.

Good news is everyone enjoys what they’re doing! We’re being creative in our own ways.

which is kinda the point.

Of course (ah name escapes me as to who was asserting “FACTS”) but actual facts completely fuck this up. They kill speculation. They kill ‘cramming words into a crossword’. They kill creativity – not the creativity of the writers, but the creativity/ mental dexterity and fun of people who enjoy being here.

hey ho – apologies for windbagging (is that a word?) – farting words, but… if you know facts – be careful because you’re pissing on people’s canvas (ie use the Spoilers thread). If you don’t like conjecture erm, you’re gonna really hate the episode threads, but the Memories threads etc will still be fantastic for talking about what you lov about the show!

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now, is this the right forum to ask @spider if their signature is a callout to that very wonderful character from 2000AD – Ernest Errol Quinch

if not, no worries but its a lovely sig that could be appropriated for him!

😉

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ah @scaryb – my god that takes me back!!

I love the Stones!

[ahem] But honestly, I was in Leeds Poly when this was big and played at every student night etc etc.

So, mainly a song that brings back people that are (and sadly were) ace! and sweaty at the time but still, brilliant people.

cheers!

As for the vote – it truly is a historic event and one that will be referenced for years (decades?) to come, especially for other places (Basque/ Falklands/ Northern Ireland/ northern England(!) etc) where politicians will now be made to think hard about what’s happening and what’s best for people. I think usually they do, but…. sometimes “policy” gets in the way and this will be good in giving a bit of a jolt – useful now and then.

But that stuff is best chatted about on the Rose & Crown, where I can buy you a drink and if it gets too heated I can break the conversation and say “just popping to the bar – anyone want anything?”

🙂

still, surprised I didn’t post this before (I meant to) but perhaps its just as appropriate now.

Obviously I could link to the original that probably most people know, but I actually first heard it as a cover from a band and had no idea it was a cover (until a friend quizzically smiled when I said what I was listening to!)

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ok @scaryb just for you (and all the other loverly wimmin ‘n laydeez here):

(have been trying to find choons for parity to this discussion but although the titles fit, nothing else, so I gave up!).

I get the feeling tomorrow is “gonna be a whopper” – enjoy it everyone!

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doh!

@jimthefish does this mean I can’t mod @craig ?

darnit!

I thought he’d clearly gone one step beyond.

Ah well, if you’re reading this on Wednesday then just remember everyone, tomorrow is just another day. As is the day after.

(what do you mean this isn’t being helpful?)

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he he @phaseshift – seems my lack of metal (mettle?) may account for my lack of songs with ‘fear’ in the title! (though hardly as if I don’t like heavy guitars! where’s that Slint when I need them?? wherever it is it needs to be <<loud>>).

However the Mettalica does give me the excuse to link to a great animation that ( @wolfweed ?) was mentioning a while back (apologies if I’m not remembering correctly!).

Don’t show that to the kiddies before bedtime!

;¬)

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;¬)

@danmartinuk – is a choon a ‘thing’ – no its a plan!

well, actually I have no idea what themes are currently on the Music thread but definitely:
– songs-that-sum-up-the-episode (not just the name but theme of it as well);
– songs for characters (ditto);
– songs for the helluvit (hmm seem to be quite a few of these! 🙂 )

I almost went for that Pulp track (as it was the first to feature in my iTunes when I searched for “fear”!). Still think your Listen was good though!

I haven’t found anything better or particularly interesting from my stuff for ‘fear’, ‘afraid’, ‘sleep’ etc so I’ll go with this. Not his best song and quite possibly better suited to another episode (either before or one to come!)but… some of the lyrics suit and… fuckit!

😉

(hopefully that gives you a sense of how fast and loose this game is played! looking forward to your choon for the next episode!)

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So, as far as songs-for-episodes go, I actually can’t better @danmartinuk ‘s choice in the Guardian!

feel free to post any others Dan!

[and that’s possibly the only time I’ll link to a Beyonce, but that simply show’s the poverty of my musical taste! 😉 ]

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@timeloop – absolutely!

So glad I see that others can only saywhat I was about to say which was

wow.

I’ll need to rewatch this but wow.

And no idea if jenna is loved or loathed (or both) by people but she was amazing (imho).

but will rewatch and offer something better than wow!

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In terms of McCoy I think I’d probably stopped watching by then (or at least regularly).
I have a dim memory, but the previous regeneration had probably done its damage.

In terms of which episode we watch I’m happy with any of them but lets not let that stop me voting(!), so:

I vote for the “Curse of Fenric” because:

a) its got “Curse” in the title and that’s very horror-y
b) its got “Fenric” in the title and that’s very myth-y
c) its got “of” in the title and that’s very possessive and ‘mine’

Also we watched Ghostlight so if this is he next in a trilogy of sorts then that helps with the completist in me!

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Hi @apopheniac – yes, I think PL = Gallifrey too (at least it is currently for the Doctor, though as with all quests, it may be that he finds that its something else he’s to discover).

Weirdly that garbled rambling incoherent post last night, actually had no bonkers in it!

I know – what does this say about the state of my brain!!!

😐

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@bluesqueakpip – I hope you’re not suggesting Highlanders are getting a separate vote next week…?

😉

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@purofilion – you never offend (and I simply enjoy silly jokes, like tying up characters!).

I’ve garbled something over on the RoS thread but its all over the place – its like grasping smoke!

However, its 11.20pm here, time for bed, yet workmen outside have decided its a GREAT time to DIGUPTHEEFFINGROAD! I kid you not. he’s got an angle grinder and is cutting up the road outside my flat. Its screeching as it cuts up the tarmac.

He’s lucky the road he’s cutting is mainly lived in by hipsters – a couple of streets away and he’d be shot!

[sigh]

time for bed!

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way way waaaaay to late for me to try and develop this idea, but its an itch I need to scratch (feel free to ignore me!)

I think there may be a pun going on. [forgive me this is all mixed up]

We have a series arc.
I think we have a reflection of the Doctor’s arc with (an)other protagonist’s arc (hyphen may be after the s!).
His arc is his return to and return of Galiffrey.
He is both saving something (Gallifrey) that he once destroyed, as well as returning to it.
Is the Promised Land a reflection of that – is he saving (robots) and returning them to (somewhere – a ‘promised land’)?

Now to the pun – arc / Ark.
The Ark is a box (both Noah’s and Ark of Covenant) – so we have the madman in a box.
The Doctor’s Ark is the Tardis.

Now, that may be the type of morsel that writers enjoy so I played along a bit more.

Noah’s Ark saved Noah, his loved ones and the animals (ie his world).
The Doctor’s Ark (the Tardis) could therefore be saving Gallifrey (stasis cubes – why they pop in my mind? or Matrix?).
Ark of the Covenant is a “cupboard/closet/box” which is a ‘place of suffering/offering’ – metaphorically the heart to be purified in order for God to enter your body (I think – I’m not sure but googling around).
The Tardis could then be the venue for the Doctor to be cathartically ‘saved’ or proven a hero.

hmmm….. puns on Ark…..

Onto the robots:
Madame de Pompadour – clockwork robots from 51st Century.
Madame Antoinette – clockwork robots from 51st Century rebuilt and using human parts. (and I’m not forgetting 37 as an age). Interstellar Ark?
Robot Knights – NOT clockwork but did cyborgically enhance a human.
Daleks… when they had a touch (Rose) of human, or some radiation leak, they gained some humanity; they could be good….

Miss Direction – the Promise Land may not be the same as Paradise/Heaven?

Ark is just too religious for the Papal Mainframe not to be involved, and the phrase too juicy not to re-used.

Leaving me… bothered and bewildered and grasping at something.

Tomorrow night perhaps.

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ha ha ha! @Purofilion – now just why would you imagine that I’d hate that song?

I do happen to hate it but…. actually she seems to be embracing whatever the something that’s troubling her is, so….
Thanks! You’ve given me the confidence in my bonkers theories to embrace the Papal Mainframe after I’ve tied her and Marie Antoinette together!

Hm, maybe there’s an appropriate song from Tangled for that?

🙂

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So, The Promised Land:

Earth – somewhen
Gallifrey – somehow
The Tardis – something seems possible but… crazier Idris? Seems unfair
The Papal Mainframe – sometimes I can’t let go

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@arbutus – guy-friend is not the same as boyfriend??!!

Erk -I need to reappraise my relationships!

🙂

Actually your description is excellent and reminds me of friendships I … erm a ‘close personal friend’ had in their youth.

As for missy, I still want to tie together Madame de pompadour and the Papal Mainframe, along with robots the Doctor has promised something to…

😉

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Hi @timeloop – I can only imagine that I’ve said something that was either too dumb to be funny or too dumb to be understood – both highly likely knowing me!
Not sure what I said re The Hoff but all I can imagine is that I was trying to be ‘funny’ about the interviews he gave around the 80’s/90’s on TV in Britain saying how bemused he was that he was more famous in Germany for his singing than for acting (or at least that’s how I remembered it!).
Its only now typing this I realise it was either him being amusing about his careering career or a theme interviewers and he played with just to have something to say!
Sorry if I said something confusing or god forbid something that could’ve been vaguely insulting!
eek!

anyway – back to your latst theory…!

🙂

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hey @timeloop – hmmm… nice hook for some bonkerising!

On first hearing it I was (shamefully) thinking it was simply a kinda mirroring in the script:
ie The Doctor is embarrassed with his former regeneration’s desire to be liked so much he wanted to be Clara’s boyfriend, so is sarcastic towards himself “… your ‘boyfriend’ “. Clara is also embarrassed that she had thought of him like that too (saying “of course not” and somesuch).

That is then mirrored by Missy’s almost psychotic “…my boyfriend” which also seems to be a mistaken emotion.

However – dull dull dull!! You’re right, its obviously a clue (though it took @mikeofmcr to spell out to me that that would make her a Claricle!).

And if I can’t make that hold any water…. I’ll try and link it to the Papal Mainframe and remember that its all about theories far more insane than what is actually happening!

😉

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hi @zeitgeis – yep, the arrow was kinda unbelievable and an eye-roll, but it was that kinda episode!

Not sure I mentioned the arrow so you maybe have been replying to someone else (or I’ve forgotten mentioning it which is also probable!)

🙂

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doh!

@serahni – I knew I’d be no help at all!
ah well….

I guess one observation (to make this comment rather more than “doh” 🙂 ) is that I’ve never seen the Doctor being ‘wrong’ so much (Dalek never being ‘good’ and especially in Robot of Sherwood in that lovely scene talking about how the radiation and the Robots ‘obviously’ created Robin as an opiate to quell the masses as the Sheriff is telling him how bad such an idea would be! Lovely scene!)

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Hey @fatmaninabox – well done!

Excellent news!

Now, I’ve been looking through my music using ‘green’ ‘mud’ ‘gardens’ etc but everything I find isn’t really right for one reason or another.

So I’ve plumped for this – not the best evah by them, but imagine the initial drum roll is a fanfare of success. the rest just… builds. kinda nice and actually restrained after such an opening.

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Hi @serahni – I haven’t read it, and like @phaseshift have reservations as to whether the plotline actually helps anything, but I think the book you’re trying to remember reading is Lungbarrow by Marc Platt.

It was part (or became part) of the Cartmel Masterplan.

Now – after this attempt-to-be-heroic-whilst-feeling-that-I’ve-muddied-the-waters-as-lots-of-people-here-know-far-more-about-all-this-than-I-do, I’ll try and remember which bit of bonkers hasn’t already been covered (and I’ve agreed/nodded with so much here including your own!).

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Hi @fivefaces – ype as @apopheniac says ‘Robot’ is from ‘worker’.

I have heard of Carel Kapek but never read anything by him – it was he (or his brother) who first used the word as the name of sentient automatons (R.U.R – Rossum’s Universal Robots stageplay – the robits of which are a bit closer to being part-organic-part-mechanical; hmm….).

Reading his wikipedia entry just now, I wonder if this political (as opposed to philosophical) angle is less bonkers than I first thought (perhaps reading “Missy as Lenin” was just the right side of bonkers!).
And Robin’s final piece to the Doctor:

“That a man born into wealth and privilege can find the lot of the oppressed and weak too much to bear?
Until one night he is moved to steal a Tardis, fly amongst the stars, fighting the good fight.”

Hero in deed.

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Hi @apopheniac – he he – ‘seemingly random’ – if you asked anyone on this forum they’d give you staggeringly good answers if you showed them some Rorshach blots!

😉

And I’m with you on not even looking at the ‘Coming next week’ to avoid spoilery stuff!

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@bluesqueakpip – Clara also looked into the Doctor’s eyes (from various angles) before ‘recognising’ him.

Anyway, just rewatched and enjoyed it much more. I just sat back and said ‘hah hah!” and slapped my thigh a bit.

So far we’ve had the Doctor wrong throughout an episode (wrong about the Dalek being able to be good, wrong about Robin being real) and Clara being right.

Agree with a few here, that this Doctor has rebooted and is almost back to ‘factory settings’. The settings he had before he ran away with the Tardis and became a hero (helping the oppressed as Robin says).
Maid Marion’s enormous gratitude (the kiss on his cheek) stuns and reminds him of what being a hero means.

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hm – I think I must’ve been in a grouchy mood or something last night!

I even used a word (“misstep”) that I never use so I’m gonna put down my reaction to this one as being indigestion.

🙂

I’ll watch again later and get ready to hu-rRAH! properly, whilst slapping my thigh.

Now, I’m gonna try channelling the Doctor’s use of an unusual question (in Deep Breath) to reveal some inner truth, for a bonkers theory.

Who made the promise?
Who promised the robots this land?

And is that the answer itself?

Will the Doctor promise this land to the Robots and they are travelling to it in a timey wimey way?
Rather than a guardian of ‘heaven’, is Missy simply the first arrival?

The next question would be why would he promise them it…?

[gonna need to find my tinfoil hat cos I want to try and incorporate the promise to Gretchen about doing something wonderful before she died/went to ‘heaven’; Missy being the one initially promised to; robots becoming more ‘human’; The Papal Mainframe; soufle (licked from the spoon?); and Clara]

😉

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Hi @apopheniac – great name, though the patterns we bonkerise are there!
😉

Hi @saraoswald101 – great introduction! Hope you find this place somewhere fun and friendly.
And I’m sure you don’t really “suck at theory” if you also write fanfiction – bonkers theories are kinda like really really short stories!

🙂

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hmm – initial thoughts was that this was a misstep in terms of a lighter Who episode.

There’s been loads of these lighter funner episodes in BG and AG, but I wonder if Capaldi’s Doc isn’t settled enough yet to switch between. An odd thought for an actor I love, so maybe a combination of where in the sequence and writer?

Not sure. Just think on initial viewing I was unengaged and wanting to love more than I actually liked.

Luckily (on this forum) I can change my mind, and can have this initial thought without thinking “Gatiss/Moffatt destroyed everything Doctor Who ever standed for and I hate everything!”

Still, not one I can imagine watching again.

However – we have more grist for the Promised Land mill!!

🙂

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Ok – My tune for Missy.

Basically if I ended up in front of her (‘god’ forbid) I don’t think it would be a garden or a tea room.

Probably here.

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brilliant stuff from you guys above!

No time by Monkees is classic rocknroll (that I’ve never heard before – well, except by different musicians and different lyrics!).

Though I’ve always liked Last Train…

And Krynoidman said all that needed to be said to you fatmaninabox – 🙂

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blimey – managed to reach the end – time to say something!

Some people mentioned that the crack in the Dalek looked a bit like THE Crack.

I thought so too.

And we’ve seen that the Time Lords have learnt (or have to learn) how to manipulate The Crack in order to get back to our universe.

So, if a TL was able to manipulate the Crack but was doing it for their own ends, who would that be and what for?
Well, The Rani experimented on species…

Yep – the Rani created the Crack in the Dalek to experiment on it to see if she could turn it ‘good’.

And then the Doctor blundered into her experiment and mucked it up (as usual).

Which means the Rani is in play, but is not Missy (Miss Direction).

🙂

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@thekrynoidman – wonderful! I’d like to entwine that post of yours with this one of mine from many moons ago in some kinda webwinding japanese/music/ninja/brilliance!

If nothing else it reminded me that “Good must always win over evil”

Now I’m too awake and need to sleeeeeeeeeep!!

#wishitwasfridaynight

:¬)

and welcome JimboMcMaster – looking forward to the theories!

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oh and @wolfweed – Them Too is awesome and completely new to me! cheers (so much to find out about from this thread!)

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wow – so much good stuff here recently!!

@arbutus – ah, James ‘Sit Down’.
Brings to mind a story I can’t tell in detail, but which leaves a rueful grin!
The Hacienda club in Manchester 1990(?). Me and a girl on the dancefloor. Everyone hearing this song and doing the dance which involved sitting down.

except me and said girl.

[ahem]

;¬)

I also remember them at Glastonbury and their sound was incredible – not ‘muddy’ at all, even though it was during the day and outside.
Never seen the video before!

@Purofilion – I thought the Devil had the best choons?? Okie?
[ahem] (though actually I do like it!)

@thekrynoidman – brilliant linked list of Hooked on a Feeling.
Didn’t realise that the King version did the chooga’s originally (though the disco version tightened it all up).
hm…. if I say that I see now say how I see why the Hoff is so big in Germany is that a huge slight on Germany! @timeloop – help me or forgive me??

@pufferfish – ah I remember that one well!
Wish I’d waited till Friday night to play that!
now I’m weirdly awake and falling asleep!
and if you don’t have a lyric – la la la la-la-la la!

My song for Missy is a bit obvious.
…. tomorrow night methinks in case something else springs to mind but this one’s been in my head since last weekend!

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