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[gasp] [pant]

hhhuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh

[gulp]

nearly there –

huuhh. made it.

Finally read through 5 pages over the last few days and…

Nothing to add!

🙂

OK – Only had chance to see Into the Dalek once but some stuff from my curdled brain:
[the rest of my life got busy – not ‘real life’ – me typing is part of my ‘real life’! Just another part of my life – anyway…]

I thought the slap was possibly played harder by the actors than it was written (but I’m probably wrong).

Missy = ‘those I’ve missed (from saving)’ [nah, probably not].
[equally probably not this though it shows just how my brain has been squeezed over the last few days, was a note-to-self: “Missy was companion who jumped into the steam and Clara’s a claricle of Missy” – yep, I’ve now stopped eating cheese at night cos of this].

But agree that Missy may be getting sent these ‘soul-downloads’ via the Doctor ‘zapping them’ with the sonic (as CAL did – though I can’t remember actually how CAL did).
Though still think Papal Mainframe is a more obvious setting for Heaven…

Loved the Psychedelic into-the-eye movement. Quite gorgeous.
Must listen to the in-episode music more as I think it may be a bit more synthy (which I quite like as its not the shrill synths from the 80’s series, but deeper and darker).

There’s some clue I feel I’m missing with the “Clara you’re older than you think” jibes from the Doctor. And think its more than the accumulation of claricles’ lives… hmm…

Overall I liked the episodes – but I could have sympathy for all those wanting an ‘easier’ Doctor; where you can cheer and ‘hurrah’ etc etc. As Capaldi said, this one’s less user friendly. I also think that Capaldi’s (justifiably) finding his feet per episode so I wonder what order they filmed them.

Oh, and its a blast reading everyone’s theories – sorry I can’t credit people but if I start I’ll miss some out – so I mean you (yes you – you know who!).

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Purofilion – in terms of theories don’t forget:

Missy is a personification of the Papal Mainframe (not Tasha who was its Mother Superious);
OR
Missy is the SS Madame de Pompadour (at least a personification of its AI)
OR
Missy is the SS Marie Antoinette (sent back in time to travel the long route in finding the Doctor as well as Marie’s brain possibly!)

And that Clara is herself a claricle. That she’s recursive (I think that’s the word). By jumping into the timestream she resolved her own paradox.
ie she jumped into the timestream and knocked a leaf from a tree so that her mum & dad could meet and she could be born, so that she could one day meet the Doctor and save him and then jump into his timestream.

This then is how all the Claricles work – Clara’s jump in caused thousands of tiny events to cause two people to meet so that she could be born and help a particular Doctor at a certain time in her life (as a kid sometimes also, as when Matt met her on a swing).

We have had that one haven’t we?

[runs away!]

🙂

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ahhhh…. thank you Serahni. Really sorry, was basing thoughts on poor memories!

Actually that 3rd person account of herself absolutely throws up all the confusions for bonkerisings – hurrah!

And I’d forgotten how that scene was meant to ‘explain’ the Impossible Girl.

I really should watch this show rather than just see it!

🙂

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@arbutus – y’know, as @purofilion said, there’s been an efffing 1300 posts on DB and though I tried to find something appropriate you found a fucking amazing excerpt of A Love Supreme on bagpipes!!

I … I… fuckit if it doesn’t link seamlessly to the Doctor – that was incredible!!!!! I know of (and have stuff by) Sun Ra [insert whatever they called themselves that week] but don’t know the musicians at all.
Now I have to hunt down who this guy was!

all I can say is…. thank you!

@thekrynoidman – I can still hear that earworm without hitting play. I’m not sure, but that might mean that actually its a great song!
But… my ear hurts even though I never hit ‘play’

🙂

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hmmm @serahni (and others) – imo I always assumed that Clara aged 27(?) jumped into the Timestream and split at that moment into ‘thousands’ of 27 year old Claricles who appeared in specific moments in the Doctor’s timestream when he needed help. (oh don’t ask me how she knew how – erm, she just kinda knew!).

So she never was a baby Claricle – but reading upstream am I wrong and actually she was shown as a child? Girl on swing… that was Clara herself I thought.. hm happy to be explained to!

But, there’d be no reason for a Claricle to not carry on living into old age, having kids etc etc.

and these Claricles don’t share memories with Clara herself – they are all distinct people in their own timestream (not psychically linked).

But that was just me watchingrather simplistically, so where’s the fun in that (must be tired! 🙂 )

[now, if it turns out that Clara is a Claricle then I’m giving up. Unless she’s her uncle – that I can deal with]

🙂

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Blimey @craig !
Take care and Enjoy every effing moment of it!

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btw – I think that half-face-man (who gets the credit for that name? or Humpty!?) jumped.

He said he could not commit suicide.
The Doctor said he can’t murder.
“But we both know one of us is lying about our basic programming” (or words to that affect).

It was HFM who was lying – his programming allowed him to die – it was the addition of all those human parts that had affected him to not believing he should.
The Doctor merely made him confront the truth.

Now, did the impulse to jump come from wanting to get to the Promised Land? or realising that his mission had failed (as in GitF)?
Well don’t look at me – this is all far too logical and I only do bonkers! 🙂

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Hi @bivium6 – “the game’s afoot!” (as some other character might say!).

That is a really interesting bit of info!

But how the hell does it fit into a bonkers theory… (replaces tinfoil cap).

The SS Mdme de Pompadour (ie the ship) is (or thinks it is) 37 when it gets damaged.
It needs the real Mdme de Pompadour’s head at 37 but doesn’t get it.
Was its sister ship (the SS Marie Antoinette) also damaged at the same time and succeed in getting her brain??!?

But even if it did, if it was Missy then it wouldn’t think its the Doctor’s girlfriend… and Marie Antoinette wasn’t a mistress.

Missy does like a garden though – as did both Mdme de Pompadour and Marie Antoinette.

What else… the ‘real’ Mdme de Pompadour did get access to the Doctor’s mind and saw how lonely he was (and maybe more?).

I’m missing something obvious here (other than obviously Missy not being the ship, but to hell with that – that’s not as fun as trying to shoe horn all this together!!).

😉

ah well, looks like I’ll have to put the shoe-horning of ‘Missy is the Papal Mainframe’ on hold!
🙂

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Hey @rottenwriter83 – that’s really lovely!

Thanks for sharing!

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btw – really enjoying your bonkerising @serahni ! TL’s (actually anything) exploding from the clock face would be a visual treat!

and yes, it does seem that clocks are a motif (is that right? or theme? hmm)

Now, I kinda have a new hat to throw in the ring…

[takes a not-so-ironic-Deep-Breath]

Missy is the SS Madame de Pompadour.

@fivefaces – you kinda mentioned this yourself aways back – I’m not saying its the actual Mdme de Pompadour, but the ship.

Right, how to explain…

I re-watched Girl in the Fireplace yesterday and it got me thinking.
When the Doctor left the ship he powered it down but he didn’t ‘kill’ it.
It would have been able to construct more ‘repair droids’ and even repair the time windows.
If it did, it could travel back to 18th Century France and retrieve Mdm de Pompadour’s brain after she died. Heck, if the ship took a few years to repair itself then the brain might even be the right ‘age’ by then!
With Mdm de Pompadour’s revivified brain at the heart of the ship, it would be a tad… deranged.

But this is the 51st century. AIs are all over the place it seems, so not too fanciful to have the ship become sentient.

So, she sends her sister ship (the SS Marie Antoinette) to Earth, looking for her ‘boyfriend’ the Doctor. It sends it back a very long time ago, so to stumble across him at some point.

When the clockwork droid finally dies* it is ‘downloaded’ to the SS Madame de Pompadour.

Its obvious!

🙂

* btw its actually quite a querolous voice that asks the Doctor “How would you kill me?” almost as if it realises that that’s the only way to get to the Promised Land – perhaps to complete its mission?

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@geoffers – I was one of those who on first viewing thought “oh, did they have to do that?” when Matt reappeared, but since Thommck’s kid and thinking about the younger audience I thought, ‘ah, fair enough’.

However, call me an old softie, but I think what you’ve just said re: Clara’s closure is rather beautiful!

When I get around to watching it a third time, I may just get that dust in my eye now!

🙂

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Over on the Deep Breath thread, there was a bit of pondering again about when there’ll be a female Doctor, as well as when will the execs green-light a Paternoster Gang spin-off.

So – execs take note – I have the answer!

🙂

Basically, if there’s any worry about a female Doctor alienating the audience, then the temptation is to do a ‘dry run’.

So how about doing a Paternoster Gang spinoff (lets say a season of 12) and in the last couple have the Doctor called upon (once again) by Vastra. The Tardis lands as it always does, the doors open and… a female Doctor emerges.

“Ah Madame Vastra – what seems to be the problem?”
“erm..”
Puzzled looks from Vastra and Jenny as it dawns on them what’s happened, but not Strax.

“Ah Doctor – a new uniform. Not sure how more hair helps.”

So, this regeneration needn’t say when she regenerated as a woman, so not necessarily the next regen. If it tanks then… ah well, we’ll wait for the world to turn a few more times.
If its accepted, then she’s set up as possibly the next regen.

Commissioned now-ish, 12 episodes… probably get the Paternoster Gang running from about mid next year, and if Peter can’t do another season voila. If he can (and gawd knows I hope we have him for at least 3-4 seasons) then no harm and a backup for the future.

[now everyone shush, and don’t let on to the execs that I’ve just forced their hand to commission the Paternoster Gang spinoff we all want, nor force at least a short season of the female Doctor to tie up some kind of continuity!]

😉

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Hi @flirtingdinosaur – thanks (if you – or anyone else! – ever want to share how you came across Dr Who, what it was that captured you, whether you dragged your partner into watching or vice versa, etc etc then you can do it over on the Memories of the Doctor thread). But no worries if you don’t want to!

In terms of GitF you’re not the only one it left a little puzzled.
Over on the GitF rewatch thread there are similar conversations.

I think (I’ll be wrong – why am I doing this?!?) that:

• The ship is called the Madame de Pompadour – that’s what it was christened (like any ship, eg Enterprise, The Mary Queen or Titanic).
• The ship is massively damaged by something (I think they say a storm) and can’t travel anywhere.
• The ship tries to repair itself – the droids are the repair droids.
• The ship needs spare parts to repair the damage and finds that the crew have compatible spare parts in their bodies (eyes, hearts etc).
• The droids were not programmed not to kill the crew so just do it, as its the simplest way to get the spare parts (which is their primary programming – ‘repair the ship’).
• [computers have that annoying habit of doing exactly what you tell them to do!]
• The final spare part that’s needed is to replace the damaged ‘brain’ of the ship – the droids have harvested the crew (probably humanoids) so look for a compatible humanoid brain.
• The ship is called Madame de Pompadour so it ‘reasons’ that the brain of the humanoid Madame de Pompadour will be compatible.
• The ship is 37 years old and so needs her brain to be 37.
• They blast holes through time, opening windows onto her life (in a hit-and-miss attempt to find her at the age of 37). The ‘windows’ are disguised as mirrors, curtains, fireplace etc.
• They find her at 7 (“not ready”) 20-something etc.
• They finally find her at 37 (at the party) and commence to cut off her head/remove her brain.

phew – did any of that make sense!??!?

And massive apologies if you knew all that – I’m not a great writer and that may come across as condescending – absolutely not intended!!

What I’ll be interested in is whether the droids started out as clockwork droids (ie it happens to be the technology of this culture in the 51st century) or whether they started out as something other and became clockwork after constantly repairing themselves (one bit here, another cog there until… tick-tock!).

After writing that I think the latter (especially in light of Deep Breath), and in fact, the original repairers of the ship may have been humanoids who then created simple droids which after a long time of self-repairing turned into clockwork droids.
However, that’s not explicit within the storyline of GitF (I think the Doctor says that they were only repairing themselves for a year in their time, but the ship is a mess of self-repair so… maybe that’s just what happens when you leave droids with a simple program to ‘repair the ship’!)

Hope this helps/ hasn’t offended (or confused or bored)!

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I think the ‘face thing’ is probably about saving/ not saving people (sounds reasonable).

Perhaps Missy will force him to do something dark (eg allow Clara to die) in order to do the right thing.

ie allowing ‘Clara’ to save him (as the Claricles have saved previous Doctors).
(ah @scaryb – glad you’re feeling better and I hadn’t thought that the regen would have meant that she wouldn’t have seen Capaldi’s Doctor, but of course that’s true!)

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@arkleseizure – you say you don’t do bonkers?????!!!!?

I had to look up the Cessair of Diplos and can only say that if I shaved with your razor I wouldn’t have any scalp left!!

🙂

Brilliant!

What I love is that there’s a really straight line I can’t see!!

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y’know, with the kiss between Vastra and Jenny, I actually thought it was a bit of a cop out at the time (ie ‘don’t worry – we’re just sharing oxygen’).

It’d have been more affecting if they’d kissed because they thought they were going to die and y’know, they love each other. It would have added greater emotional tension to a scene which wasn’t exactly the most tense backs-to-the-wall fight.

If people were ‘worried about the kids’, then its easy to explain –
“ooh – they’re kissing – urgh!”
“They’re married to each other – why wouldn’t they kiss?
“But they’re women!”
“One of them’s a lizard! Which bit of this is the weird bit?”

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quite frankly I think trolling was far better before Moffat took over (tsk).

Aaaaaaanyway…. lots of new people on the threads and people I recognise from before, and I really shouldn’t single anyone out, but welcome @flirtingdinosaur – that was a really great first post! (and quite frankly makes my first post here look a little pathetic! 🙂 )

I wonder how many others are similar to you in that having watched the show quickly back-to-back recently, has meant that you don’t have a ‘specific’ Doctor. I’m guessing a lot of people will have memories of watching from childhood and then getting back into it sometime recently, but that a childhood Doctor will be ‘their’ Doctor (with all the prejudices that brings).

When you mention watching the Girl in The Fireplace you say that you feel there was something you didn’t discover. I’ve just re-watched (its a wet day in London!) and was reminded how good an episode it was, but I’m intrigued as to what you felt was missing – especially as there’s probably a connection to it and the current storyline!
I rarely pick up on stuff so I wonder what I’m missing!

Completely agree with the poignancy of the “you just don’t see me” at the end of Deep Breath – it was brilliant.

anyway – welcome!

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@bluesqueakpip – ok, now there’s a police helicopter above my house.
I think I was shouting and waving my arms about a bit too much.
< / exhales and ends this silliness! > 🙂

Now…. you mentioned that Missy could be the Matrix.
Well it seems reasonable that most AIs tend to get a bit sentient(!) and I’m gonna presume that the Matrix needs to be connected with the Timelords.

Now, if its got separated from them by being outside the Timelock and now is on the wrong side of the crack (ie in our universe) then its going to need the Doctor to bring them back.
In fact it’ll do whatever it needs to do to get back with the TLs/ Gallifrey (ie manipulating events around Clara and the Doctor such as adverts, phone numbers etc perhaps even conniving the meeting between the harvesting robots and the Doctor).

Now, if it hasn’t been connected to the TLs for a while, it could also be going a bit loopy – and even affected by ol’ Sexy if this is the only eyes and ears that Missy can use to keep track of the Doctor.

hm…. the tin-foil hat I’m wearing is beginning to spark.

[as an aside, we do all wear tin-foil hats don’t we? I mean, I’d feel silly if it were only me…]

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oh – @bluesqueakpip – how many times would you like me to say that in one breath?

(oh yeah! oh yeah bring it on baby, uh huh….)

😉

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really loving all these theories everyone!
And lovely to see familiar names (and new ones too!).

@fatmaninabox – ‘Mancini’ = “left-handed” – wonderful!

Now, Missy…
I like the idea that she’s a splintered persona of the Tardis. But I love @purofilion’s “missus” as well!!

“I like his new accent – I think I might keep it”.
Well she is talking to a robot that was harvesting body-parts. If she is also planning on harvesting some parts of the Doctor, then she may be planning on now keeping the accent (though getting rid of other bits like hearts, feet, fingernails etc etc!).

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ah but @bluesqueakpip were you holding your breath while walking carefully out of a room full of danger and then walking even quicker down a corridor that you then realised had even more danger??

Did you? Did you???????!!!?????

omg – yes you did!

God you’re good!

🙂

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Just re-watched and reminded myself how much I liked the beginning:
“oh, what? we’re in prehistoric times… oh! Big Ben, erm dinosaurs in London, ok so… OH, Victorian London…”

Completely disorientated within 10 seconds! Lovely!

In terms of the intro theme – for me there’s not enough lower register ‘bottom’ from the horns and the signature wavering whoooooooooo that happens at the end which leads into each episode is very very understated to the point of not being there. And its this whooooooo sound which usually leads us ‘in’. But hey ho, its not like I’ll stop watching because I don’t think the intro is the best evah!

I don’t usually think about Moffat’s writing, but on rewatching it does strike me he enjoys ribbing his actors in terms of their physical appearance (allowed in terms of a regeneration)! If memory serves, he gently mocked Smith for his chin, now he has a chance to write about Capaldi’s “attack eyebrows”. I loved it!

Oh, and Neve McIntosh – yes. Using her Scots accent but just mainly ‘Yes’.

Will “we will reach the Promised Land” be this season’s “Silence will fall”?
No, but for a moment I thought maybe!

and, mainly because wiser persons than I believe that Missy is the Master (and I’m sure they’re not wrong) but I’m going to bonkers her into the Papal Mainframe if its the last convoluted thing I do.

🙂

(oh btw I think I found the song for the episode but feel free to suggest otherwise!)

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@wolfweed – loved that Everything Everywhere! Vaguely heard the name of the band but not heard their stuff – brilliant!

Ok, here’s a theme for the 12th Doctor.

Well… at least in terms of Deep Breath.

🙂

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Hi @j0hn52 – why?

Interested as to why you thought it was a poor story and why you don’t like the idea that Missy could be a female Master.

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hmmmm… “Missy”….. or Papal Mainframe, where AIs go to Heaven….?

Tasha Lem was after all just the Mother Superious, not the Mainframe (which was referred to as “the Papal Mainframe herself”).

Would other AIs also go to the Mainframe to ‘die’ (ships such as the Madame Pompadour, the Library(?) etc….).

Apologies – bonking out loud.

🙂

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ooh @timeloop – apologies you misunderstood me (that’ll be my convoluted writing!).

I absolutely think there can (and probably will) be a female Doctor – I’m assuming that the show-runner is waiting for the right actress to come along and ‘be’ the Doctor in the audition.
Basically (I think the term is ‘blind’ auditions) they should hire whoever impresses them most regardless of age, gender, colour, physical capabilities etc.

And I look forward to it happening as whoever they choose will be the best person they can find!

🙂

And yes – @thommck has convinced me that having Matt at the end was a good thing (as @bluesqueakpip says, its for all those who still haven’t accepted Capaldi who may be young or holding on to 11 as he’s their Doctor).

And absolutely loving the Missy thinking! There was me trying to remember who controlled the Library (isn’t a hard-drive the ‘heaven’ where an AI consciousness would download to after its body is destroyed?) but Madame Pompadour etc is just too juicy (need to find my bonkers hat)!

In terms of the Paternoster Gang getting their own series – yes please!
But I guess they’re trying to figure out which audience to aim it at and how to differentiate it from Doctor Who (the show).
And I’m glad that we live in a world where a child’s question can be answered thus:
“But dad – how can Madame Vastra be married to Jenny?”
“I know, its a bit fantastical that a woman can marry a lizard, but just play along with it as its fun”.

🙂

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I really should watch it again, but from my scribbled notes from last night (I gave up just after writing “music too high” as I got immediately engrossed in the actual episode!).

I think the intro music is a little ‘flat’ or without bottom or whatever. I’ll have to listen again, but though I have no issue at all with new Doctor – new theme (and interior) I think this one might need a bit of tweaking (and if they’re going with a clockwork motif I wonder if there’s any of that in there..?).

Oh, as as for ‘holding your breath’ – its another kid’s game (yay!)!
We’ve had ‘don’t blink’ and standing like statues, now its holding your breath.
I’m sure we’ve had others in the past; these are easy and great ways for kids to take the show into the playground and around the house.*

The only sour note really, was that they felt the need to bring back Matt Smith to reassure Clara/the audience that this older man really was the Doctor.
By this point we’d already gone through a journey and Capaldi and Coleman had already convinced us. By using Smith kinda undermined them which was a bit unnecessary.

Anyway, minor point and really looking forward to more of Capaldi (not sure if deliberate but with him in a nightshirt made me think of Nigel Hawthorne in The Madness of King George which only added to the poignancy).

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hmm @bluesqueakpip – interesting as ever!

I think I agree with Missy as Master if mainly for the name. (and last we saw of the Master was that he’d died and had had his ring picked up by a female hand?).

I can imagine that as the show gets ever more successful, that changing the gender of the Doctor might get ever more ‘risky’ for execs. However, if changing the gender of The Master were enough to convince them that having a female Doctor would be accepted, then I’d sack them!

To be honest, I think its more likely to backfire if it is a stalking horse (or even misused as one). There’ll be those who’ll say “booo – we prefer Delgado/Ainsley! How dare they!” etc etc and the storyline may not be brilliant enough (not the actresses fault) and this lack of ‘wow’ might scare them off from using a female Doctor even more.

Which would be a massive shame – the best actor should play the Doctor and when that actor happens to be a woman then brilliant! I’ll be as interested as ever in watching where that’ll take us.

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Hi all – I’m no expert but I think its ok to talk about the plot of this episode and so forth on this thread.

I’m the most spoiler-averse person you could imagine (to the point where I avoid BBC stuff and “Coming next week…”) but I’d have to be a complete numpty to come to this thread, scroll past the picture and description and then read comments and go “oh – a dinosaur! You ruined it for me!!”

But I’ll cede as always to @craig or a moderator to tell me otherwise.

(also – which other thread could we possibly use to talk about this episode?? My hunch is the Spoilers thread may have spoilers for future episodes, but as said, I’m massively spoiler averse!)

😉

anyway – I liked this one! And yes, it wasn’;t your ‘normal’ regeneration (though I’d like to know what is a ‘normal’ regeneration). And lots of issues hit firmly on the head as well as other ones opened up again.

Now, where were those bonkers theories about who gave the phone number to Clara…?

🙂

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Hi @ all – really great to see some names I recognise and really really great to see new names!
Welcome!! New people – new bonkers!

Sorry to hear that some of you have distractions getting in the way (small furry family members at festivals, seems to be the theme).
I merely have a distraction before watching in the shape of a footy match (no – obviously watching not playing!).

This will keep me from getting too fidgety (hm actually its getting me very fidgety as I have a bad feeling about this one in terms of my team – at least I can try and memory-wipe if it all goes wrong, with an infusion of Capaldi!)

see y’all on the other side/ tomorrow!

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btw… @wolfweed – you did an important service with that tip about Kate Bush being on BBC4.
Thank you!
It took this to remind me just how incredible she is.

The Man with the Child in his Eyes – written at 13??!? 14??!!
Recorded at 16/ 17???!??!??!

ffs.

And its also made me go on a mazy skip around youtube listening to some of her other outstanding songs (notably A Woman’s Work, Don’t Give Up and Rocket’s Tail).

thank you!

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@fatmaninabox – “Cars” was 35 years ago???!??
holy cow!
Surprisingly(?) my 8 year old ears completely accepted it at the time, without thinking it was weird or anything. Its funny that at the time and later on it was seen as a seminal moment.

And ohhh Barrowman! My ears! My eyes!

@arbutus – niiiiiiiiiiice

and @thekrynoidman – forgot to say I like the Pulp track, not heard that one before.

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Ok @thekrynoidman – I’ll bite.

Really glad you didn’t start with the obvious one(s)!

This though is a bit obvious, and his lyrics are typically overwrought, but it might raise a few brows/smiles as people try to contort Doctor Who and the lyrics from this!*
[Bonus – contains added Johnny Marr]

* though I did like:
“I’ve been filled with useless information
Spewed out by papers and radio stations…”

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@arbutus – enjoyed the absolutely disgusting Watkins Ale (hold on, that sounds wrong…).
However, am I missing something about el Grilos? Now, I’ll admit that I have a mind that loves a pun and innuendo, but I’m a little flummaxed.
And a bit in awe of your professional-level innuendo skillz.

🙂

Though it reminded me of this which, though not a favourite or anything, made me wonder if I’m missing an obvious connection to crickets!

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@fatmaninabox – excellent news!

Hopefully you didn’t resist the urge to say:
“ah – I can now see the trees! but where is the wood..?”

oh, you did resist?
I’ll get my coat…

😉

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thanks for that Creep.

I mean, thanks for that @Purofilion 😉

I think its fine if a choir swears. In fact, I now want the The Hilliard Ensemble to sing Nick Cave’s profane version of Stagger Lee.

And in terms of Radiohead, I think I’ve been mentioning them quite a bit recently!
Its just that after trying to not listen to them too much, there’s just been some good reasons to!

And what’s the matter with Abba? They’re amazing (though if they swore I think there’d be an outcry!).

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y’know @brewski and @fivefaces , there are some on this forum who’ve been speculating about the likelihood of a musical episode of Doctor Who (as other shows have done, especially Buffy).

And now I think you have it – Doctor Who meets Cabaret.

perhaps as…

“The Cabaret of Doctor Caligari Who”.*

🙂

(* either that or “Springtime for Davros”)

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ah – “purple turban woman”?

Can only be Eleanor Bron shooooorrley?

In one of two roles (she does love her purples):

Madame Kara

or even as a Critic (which is possibly more terrifying)

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Nice pic of Capaldi and the blackboard @wolfweed.

Looks like the Doctor’s trying to work out a Timeline top-left, interestingly using Gallifreyan as a tool for working out the loops and events… but looks like he may need a hand from @bluesqueakpip though…

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thanks for that link @craig – nice article and interesting “immersive storytelling” interface as @danmartinuk says.

Seems to be similar in terms of approach to what the BBC are doing with their K&L pieces – here’s one for Tolkien and WW1.
But the BBC approach (at least for that article) is less rich in terms of photography and no transparent backgrounds. Not sure if this is just because they didn’t want to go that way, didn’t have the photography or whether there were Accessibility concerns (sometimes hard to read text when there’s a patterned background behind it).

But always good to see different ways people trying to make reading/experiencing stuff more engaging and navigable.

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@brewski and @fivefaces – Nice to hear some bonkers – cheers!

Really like that idea (that the Doctor may have caused the Daleks in some way).

It’d be nice almost as a “I can’t prevent this (thing) happening – its a fixed point”

and then we see him catch sight of another Tardis floating in space also watching the event and we realise he’s been back to that moment more than once; witnessing but never getting the courage or madness to interfere.

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Well, I watched it.

And its still not as bad as The Black Orchid in that at least there were distractions.

Now, fair enough the distractions were unperilous-peril, and mild arguing and a side-order of ham, but… stuff happened.

That’s not to say that I’ve developed a new sympathy for Colin Baker’s Doctor – the way he treats people is too-often small and mean, regardless as to whether they’re whiny or psychopathic; as @phaseshift says its actually something to be remarked upon when he treats Luke with some compassion. Really, that shouldn’t be a remarkable thing with the Doctor.

But stuff happened, I was diverted and now its time for tea more beer.

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ha ha! Hi @Purofilion – yep still up thanks!

hmm, songs for lads-on-the-bench-but-should-be-playing.

I’ve nothing that springs to mind! However, that may be as I never made the bench…. oh hold on

Now this is only because it mentions the bench, nothing else.
Oh and also as its an effing excellent song.

But yeah, coach doing it as its their son they’re doing it for – same the world all over.
My brother has a similar tale where a player he played with who was ‘a bit good’ got a call up to a league team and the coach (the kid’s dad) immediately left and the whole non-league team my brother was in folded.

But y’know, fuckit – my brother was still playing at 50 and making kids half his age look silly in midfield on a Wednesday and most importantly enjoying every fucking minute of it.

Not sure how that helps a 15 year old though. I’m not the sporty one in my family, though I suppose thinking about it, some of the key lessons I got from my parents were:

“fuck ’em” (though never quite couched in these terms there was a sense of “whothefuckareyoutotellmewhatthefuckaboutanything-buti’llholdmytongue”
and
“as long as you’re doing something you enjoy”.

My mum didn’t swear.

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btw – if anyone’s interested….
Guy Garvey the lead singer of beat combo Elbow was on Desert Island Discs this week.

Its a lovely, touching, amusing interview; it doesn’t get too deep, is pretty superficial, but shows his warmth and is quite touching in his obvious love for family and friends.

Also he has a rather wonderful choice in music (which “isn’t his favourite stuff” which I was also meant to say about that ramble but I edited out.. but you just can’t have ‘favourite stuff’ – its silly – but you can have songs which resonate with stories and memories, and the ones he chose are some of them for him).

He chose this piece by Talk Talk as his one piece he’d rescue from the waves if he had to.
Its great and made me listen to that album again as I tend to go to Spirit of Eden as a standout album (and one I annoy neighbours on when playing harmonica badly while listening to it on headphones – honestly even if I was any good it’d sound odd – little parps of sound with sudden trilling).

A touching story went with the piece below and reminded me of a childhood heartache, but basically its a lovely 30mins of radio (talk radio? music radio?) that I think will make you feel better for it (especially if you know who Madness or Timothy Spall are).

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ah @purofilion – you may be giving Mr Scruff too much credit.

Then again I may be giving him too little.

Music’s great innit?

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(btw as earworms go “there’s a whale, there’s a whale, there’s a whale-fish she cried and the whale was in full view; whale fish whale fish whale fish…” is as lovely as Diggy Diggy Hole!)

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ahhh…. Minecraft. Cheers Fatmaninabox.

Well, its Friday, which means its Fish Friday and that means another silly yet quite groovy fish song.

Some people of a certain age will smile hearing some of the voices in this one!

Hope you’ve all had/having a lovely fish supper*

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*unless you’re vegans.

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Great posts there @craig!
And great to see @danmartinuk too – is that Capaldi shirt a map of the stars??

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@bluesqueakpip – ok, I have no idea the context of Diggy Diggy Hole and I’m afraid to learn more or I’ll sink down a well of time-sucking awesomeness.

Loved it!

@arbutus – interesting. I’m no statistician (wish I could wrap my head around numbers) but love infographics (real ones like bar charts etc) because they reveal something about the numbers!
Will need to peruse over the weekend methinks as need to understand if the low numbers of 16-24 yr olds skew things at least for that bar. Also I’ll have to figure out how much I listen to but probably a lot more radio than would seem obvious (all ‘talk’ radio – Radio 4 and 5).

Cheers!!

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@bluesqueakpip – the REAL Doctor!*

I’d probably say something like…

“erm, oh, wow, erm…. can I help?”

No harm in asking.
(Actually there probably would be danger of harm, but y’know, might just get that once-in-a-lifetime-adventure!)

* He does exist y’know. Just like Santa.
(Obviously if I saw Santa I’d ask for a shiny red bike, and then go “duh! I meant World Peace! Can I have another go?”)

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So – the Tour begins and today is when some lucky people will get a chance to ask Capaldi, Jenna and Steven etc questions about the new series.

Hooray!

However – if you were to unexpectedly meet the Doctor in the street, what one question would you ask him?

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