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  • #61307
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    @wolfweed

    interesting! has gatiss been the third doctor before? i’m assuming yes, from the gif, but i’ve not seen whatever that was.

    #61265
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    @lisa

    I don’t get why  Rose/1o   irritated any one and River/11/12 didn’t?

    i think it did grate on a few, especially as river hung around far longer than rose. but for the most part, i believe everyone was simply used to the romantic side of the doctor by then, because of the thing with rose.

    in my headcanon, 10 was still emotionally closed off to love and romance, from his experiences in the time war, and rose brought him back from that. and 11 took a while to warm up to river, as well. it was her sass and cleverness than won him over.

    i’ve never viewed either relationship as “sexual,” though, as romance (and falling in love with someone) can happen without the sexual component. (even kissing isn’t necessarily to be seen as exclusively sexual, just think of all the parents who kiss their children on the lips.) one can argue that river and 12 must have taken the relationship that far, having spent 24 (?) years together, exclusively, but until we learn (at least) that they had a child (or two), i won’t commit to believing that that was anything more than a romantic thing, either.

    so, while there’s nothing wrong with sex in doctor who, we still have no definitive evidence that the doctor has had relations with earth women… or even how that would work (given that time lords may have entirely different sex organs, as they do brains and hearts). and i’m not even 100% convinced that susan is his actual granddaughter, and not just a made up relationship, for whatever reason…

    🙂

    #61155
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    @tardigrade

    Perhaps he might have some unconscious control- there was a suggestion that his current form was unconsciously chosen. However, at present, he’s struggling with the prospect of repeated change to who he is, and him deliberately choosing to depart even further from his current identity doesn’t seem to sit that well with that. Perhaps he’s trying for a ginger and this is the result

    very true, but he did force the regen to stop, before the first doctor appeared, and i don’t think he’s ever been able to do that (or even tried)? so i can imagine a scenario where, if he’s convinced he absolutely must go on (and change again), that he might grit his teeth and decide to do it how he wants, this time (“and now, for something completely different”), in a direction that is unique from every other regeneration before. (and not just as a ginger!)

    and, perhaps the original him can help him do it?

    #61096
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    @yolo2546

    actually, he broke it in ‘oxygen,’ didn’t he?

     

    also, i predict the new doctor will choose the more stylistic (and functional) sonic fountain pen…

    😀

    #61095
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    @everyone

    i’ve only now caught up with all the discussion here, and would like to thank everyone for a very lively one, at the least! but especially @thane15 , you have a way with words that i wish i’d had when i was 15… or even 35.  🙂

    i can only add one thing, to try to help those very passionate fans who are upset with the direction the show is taking. we don’t know what the doctor’s last story is to be, nor do we know how he will choose to go when his time is up. but maybe the transition (in universe/story and in reality) will be easier to accept if he CHOOSES to regenerate into a woman (perhaps in an attempt to honor missy’s and bill’s sacrifices)?

    even if moff and chibnall haven’t written it this way, or it’s not explicitly stated in the show’s dialogue (though i hope it is addressed, somehow), choosing to “headcanon” it in this way might make it just palatable enough to get you into the next series, to see if you can enjoy where it’s going. but simply refusing to give jodie a chance before she’s even spoken a line of dialogue isn’t something the doctor would choose to do, either in our beloved fantasy realm, or in our harsh reality…

    so, what would it hurt to emulate our hero/heroine in this small way?

     

    just a thought…

    #60823
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    fantastic news!

    i don’t feel too bad for all the others who were passed over for the part, as i’m sure they’ll find other roles for themselves. part of the fun of watching the show is seeing how the new doctor wins over everyone (here, at least). but it won’t be difficult for jodie to do so, i’m already firmly in her corner, hoping that she gets some great scripts to work with…

    and perhaps kris marshall could be persuaded to play a mad scientist type in the upcoming season, as a consolation?

    😀

     

    oh, and @doctor2222

    aren’t your qualifications against the doctor becoming female or black… the very definition of sexist and racist? you realize that the doctor is a gallifreyan alien, not a human, and as such isn’t bound to our standards? i’m thankful that the show runners have finally gotten around to opening up the doctor’s experiences, in this direction. can’t wait for her to meet up with madame vastra and jenny, again!!  🙂

    #60543
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    @brewski @janetteb

    at the very least, perhaps the doctor will find out where exactly susan is, in his current time stream, and it can be like the finding gallifrey theme from a couple of series ago? something for chibnall to tackle in a loose arc, or even a doctor’s quest sort of thing, next series? i could go for that… if she’s not featured in the xmas special! 🙂

    #60252
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    @janetteb

    i agree, the two masters story was pulled off really well, by both. i wish simm could have played the master like that back in rtd’s era… but then maybe we wouldn’t have gotten missy? so, all’s well, etc, etc…

    but also, perhaps his “you can’t regenerate” might just have been a taunt to force her to do so (or else, to truly die “good”), since she’d likely “reset” as a “default” master, anyway, upon regenning? he seemed totally willing to take that chance…

    though i believe she’s dead, for forever, and that the reveal of his regen will be into someone completely new. so, she’s truly the last incarnation of “the master,” and died simply for daring to side with the doctor… but the next master will be as perfectly evil as before!

    so, we can have our cake, and eat it, too! 🙂

    #60247
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    really loved this, a nice wrap-up for all the cast. it didn’t feel as epic as previous moff finales, but i guess that’s because he’s not steering the show into the next series, and there was only the need to finish up the story threads and character arcs from this year?

    over on reddit, someone thought that perhaps missy was letting the doctor know she had the dagger up her sleeve, instead of passing something to him? when i re-watch, i’ll have to keep this in mind to see if it works as well, because i, too, thought she was giving him something… either a ring, or perhaps that brooch from a series or two ago? could it have even been a subconscious message she was passing to him, as he did for bill in WEAT?

    i will miss missy/michelle gomez, though. she was fantastic. and i, too, hope pearl will be asked back by the new regime, though i suspect chibnall will go for a hard reset, and it will be an all new cast, like with smithdoc and amy… which would be fine by me, as well, if the quality is equal to or better than that series! 🙂

    #59744
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    @nerys

    My husband and I were trying to figure out how there could be two of them (same way we got multiple Doctors in The Day of the Doctor).

    in ‘tDotD’ it was the involvement of the Moment, a force/source of great power, that allowed all the doctors to interact, so i’m guessing any “great force” can overcome the blinovitch limitation effect… and in this episode, it’s the black hole (and its prodigious distortion of time)?

    also, i think the doctor can interact with himself (or other versions of himself) safely within the tardis, but maybe that protection doesn’t extend very far, physically, from the tardis (as her ability to translate languages seemingly does)…

    #59601
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    @winston

    i love the beard, too, but was also grinning madly when it (finally) dawned on me that he was razor, in disguise the whole time! that gave it such an old who vibe…

    also made me wonder if his chosen name was “the master… of disguises!” and he’s just shortened it since? LOL

    #59600
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    @quaentum

    well, yes, series “finale,” and it is. the last episode of series 10, the end of series 10…

    they say series finale at the end of each series.

    are you suggesting (or worried) they’re saying it’s the last series, ever? cause it’s not, thank goodness! 🙂

    #59424
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    @nick

    something you said on the last page got me to thinking…

    I also feel that neither Bill or Missy will die in the next episode (Moff’s pre-announcement of a Death is likely fake news – thank you Donald – ). It also feels likely that Moff may explain the Doctor/Master relationship (and that it might have something to do with Susan). I would not be surprised if both Missy and Bill fall in the final episode and that this will be the starting point for the Christmas special.

    i wonder if moff has the guts to have the doctor (“kill”) force the simm-master to regenerate, to turn him into missy (also assuming he’s figured out that’s the direction it’ll go)… who he then could send away (or she escapes), without knowing her future self is somewhere near? but then, later, somehow… missy gets killed by a bad guy, maybe, and reveals that she has no regenerations left?! we’ve seen the doctor face his own real death (and be saved from it by clara), but perhaps the master’s ultimate death is a fixed point, and we get to witness that on twelve’s watch?

    ** i made myself very sad with these thoughts **

    #59317
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    @blenkinsopthebrave @nick

    “avoiding something else” I can only think that this is his regeneration.

    i had a thought that perhaps he nose about his coming regeneration, because he had a peek into river’s diary? “a thing happened.” and so he’s suffering from existential dread, knowing it’s coming…

    it often seems to me that the doctor has a bit of foreknowledge, not just because he’s clever, but because of the whole timey wimey thing (and the tardis). but the diary is a different beastie, altogether. if it doesn’t come into play before series’ end, i’ll be surprised. it can’t just be left floating about the universe, changing ownership with no explanation, can it?

    then again, there’s the big book in the tardis library that hasn’t been mentioned since it appeared, either…  :/

    #59286
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    @soundworld

    5000 Romans of the 9th Legion defeated an army of 30,000 Picts – according to the Romans.  It was on their journey back south from this battle that the 9th seems to have disappeared.

    when i read this, my gut reaction was “simple propaganda.” most likely the picts defeated the romans, but the leaders back home couldn’t report that, so the “roman victors” mysteriously disappeared on the way back…

    as for the episode, i was just a bit underwhelmed. i think it has mostly to do with the younger supporting cast. i’m not a fan of child actors, and these teen-aged actors didn’t quite convince me, either. maybe it’ll be better on re-watch, later… but the bits with the core actors were top notch, of course.

    🙂

    #58946
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    @thane15 @missrori @frobisher

    re: “the doctor falls”

    as moffat seems to be quite obvious sometimes, with hindsight, might this infer some connection to sherlock and the reichenbach falls? perhaps the doctor takes a bad guy with him, in some certain death scenario for both of them (such as a black hole)…

    only to reveal how he survived, later… in the xmas special?

    🙂

    #58313
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    @wolfweed

    I repeat. Bill’s phone ringtone could be of some significance. (see post 58281)

    what a brilliant catch! i checked ‘the pilot,’ and bill’s ringtone is the same there (when she gets a call from her stepmum)… so is this series dovetailing with the harold saxon storyline, somehow?! could bill’s mum be one of martha’s sisters? wow, i wish i had the time between now and saturday to re-watch most of series 3, to look for further clues…

    i, too, thought “tardis” when bill described a spaceship disguised as a pyramid, but didn’t go any further with the thought. so, would the doctor be fooled by another tardis’s chameleon circuit, or could he have figured it out just when he was walking around in it (as he says to bill, “every trap you walk in to is a chance to learn about your enemies”)?

    as for those asking if there are enough monks to pilot a tardis… in the scene where bill witnesses the three military leaders turned to dust, there are at least 9 monks in the room, so, easily enough, and more!

    Even if people don’t like Moffat’s stuff, it should be appreciated the guy hasn’t had a proper holiday for years. He works blinking hard on the show because he loves it.

    i do love moffat’s stuff, and i am always willing to give him the benefit of a doubt, if his lofty goals for who sometimes don’t come together quite seamlessly (and i’ve said before that i think he spread himself a bit thin, working on sherlock concurrently). but to have to work through the death of his mother, too? i can easily give him a pass for any weakness in the episode, just based on that… 🙁

    #58209
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    @tardigrade

    And then the Doctor’s sight is restored remotely, using essentially godlike powers. I’ll avoid using that three-letter acronym, to avoid raising hackles, and just settle for the innuendo in calling it “godlike”.

    that scene would have made more sense, had they simply used the light from the pyramid to bathe the doctor in a healing glow… or some such effect. maybe they didn’t have the extra cgi budget?

    #58138
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    so, any classical lit people care to ponder on whether/how the monks’ brightly lit cables are inspired by the greek fates, and their loom of life? it was the first thing i thought of, since the monks use those cables to “read” the future…

    i admit, i didn’t have high hopes going in to this one, as it’s the middle of a three parter, but the pacing of the episode was just tense enough to bring home the payoff (despite the weak “peace summit” actions of the world leaders). i was pleasantly surprised by how the doctor effectively trapped himself into being his own undoing. it will be interesting to see how he proceeds, and if he uses his wild-card variable, missy, as @wolfweed and @phaseshift mentioned above…

    and poor nardole. shouldn’t/couldn’t the tardis have warned everyone about the danger, or does she just leave it to them to check outside air conditions for themselves? lol

    #57911
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    @missrori

    oh, i agree, it would be a cheat, and would cause more problems than it could solve. i’m merely throwing out some mad thoughts about how two mad characters might work together…

    as to the how, look no further than the chameleon arch, which disguised the master at the end of time, and the doctor when he was hiding out from the family of blood. perhaps they could be set* to mimic specific people?

    it’s also not difficult for me to envision a piece of technology that simply copies and transmits the physical look and sound of someone onto someone else. imagine a leader (such as a gallifreyan president), under threat of assassination. wouldn’t it be convenient to be able to disguise this leader as someone entirely different, so that they could move about unconcerned… so long as the donor image person was safely locked away, somewhere (if they take on the image of the threatened person)? it doesn’t even have to be a two-way thing, though, it could simply be the doctor in the vault transmitting his image to missy…

    */modified by clever time lords!

    #57902
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    also, hasn’t someone else had the thought that perhaps missy is parading around as the doctor, so far this series? could the doctor have made a deal, and an audacious “switcheroo,” before sealing up the vault, and it’s he who is actually in there?

    it’s a half-baked idea in my mind, at the moment, but the 1,000 year promise to not leave the vault unguarded could simply be a test for missy, to see if she could really keep her promise to be good (and thus be rehabilitated, or somewhat redeemed). and, as with the pandorica, the most fearsome/dangerous thing that could possibly be inside… is the doctor, himself. especially if you break such a promise to him…

    :O

    #57900
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    @lisa

    An alien race running a ‘matrix’  like simulation to figure out the best way to invade the Earth. Just interested in only the Earth?

    it took a while to catch up on all the posts, this was from page 1, and i don’t think anyone else has responded to it…

    but, i think this has to do with two things. the first is the obvious one, and ties in with how many times the doctor has saved the earth from alien threat (“you have ONE job, doctor… and you do it fairly well, actually.”), from a viewer’s perspective. it’s a trope, i guess, of the series, that won’t ever go away (if only for budgetary reasons)…

    the second, from an in-story perspective, could also have to do with how often the doctor visits earth. of all the known places of the universe, gallifrey and the earth are the two most frequented places of the doctor (in all his various incarnations). so, if your ultimate goal is to defeat the doctor (which is what i suspect is behind the monks’ invasion plans, perhaps at the instigation of the master,* or the daleks**), the easiest*** place to lay a trap would be either of these two places… and gallifrey isn’t exactly easily accessible, anymore.

    *the simm master used the toclafane as an invasion force, similarly, in ‘the sound of drums.’ and, of course, missy used the cybermen in series 8…

    **missy’s casual reference to the “word among the daleks” about the doctor’s domestic bliss on darillium is what brought up this possibility, in my mind, though i’ve seen less spoilery evidence/conjecture for them appearing later on…

    ***and, consequently, the hardest place to lay a trap. maybe this is another reason for running so many simulations, to try to eliminate as many of the doctors’ incarnations showing up and foiling their plans as is possible… not just capdoc?

    ——-

    i also haven’t seen anyone reference this aspect of the episode, but i loved the misdirection in the beginning, where we are led to believe that the doctor is the one who has been sentenced to death (and missy the executioner). the whole time, i was wondering if capdoc was blind, and just doing a tremendous job of pretending to be able to see!

    tricksy moff…

    #57894
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    @wolfweed  re: post 57631

    i think river has met all the doctors, if i’m not mistaken? she “knows all his faces” in the angel two-parter (The Crash of the Byzantium), if memory serves correctly, so here she’s alluding to only the three she’s filmed with… and possibly the next? hoping to get picked up by chibnall and co., or maybe she’s around for capaldi’s exit?

    or, if the first doctor does show up at the end of this series, maybe she’s in an episode with him, as well?

    i’ve wanted some stand-alone stories/appearances from paul mcgann, since he was featured in ‘the night of the doctor,’ perhaps as specials (a la the tennant between-series specials), and i think they could do the same with david bradley, now that he’s filled in for the first doctor? i doubt bradley would sign on for a whole series, anyway (or that they could afford him, to do so), so it would be cool to have him do a couple of one-off type stories, to fill time between series (or as a mid-series special, even)…

    make this happen, chibnall!! 🙂

    #57329
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    @frobisher

    It can only be…RICK WAKEMAN!

    LOL… but there aren’t nearly enough notes squeezed into those two little piano pieces, for it to be The Cape, himself!

     

    some great theories about the vault since the last time i checked in. i’m still thinking, tho:

    1) the master. (why is the more important question, instead of really?) perhaps the master was dying, after his fight with rassilon, and the doctor promised to help him, with some regeneration energy, but he has to stay in the (stasis?) vault until the doctor regenerates? [i like this idea, but i’ll have to think up a reason why tennant didn’t just help him during his “farewell” tour. shouldn’t be too hard. like, the regen was tainted by the radiation, and the dying master would be killed, instead of healed? lol]

    2) the doctor, himself, whilst regenerating. my fanfic of him wanting to put something of himself into the library computer, to be with river forever, just won’t go away… i know, it’s unhealthy. i never learn…

    3) river. we’ve still not found out how she became a “ghost out of the machine,” way back in ‘the name of the doctor.’ or perhaps it’s river as a child, and he’s her caretaker, up until he has to return her to her “proper time,” to be a teenager growing up with amy and rory? 😀

    #57229
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    oooh, i just had an interesting thought. perhaps bill is in the vault, and the doctor’s keeping her there against her will, or for her protection (from missy?), for some yet-to-be-explained reason?! we just haven’t seen her play the piano, or learned that her stepmum had her take lessons… yet.

    😀

     

    or, bill’s mum?!

    #57228
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    @thane15

    Fur Elise, not brooding, but was with hordes of youngsters playing….stick a fork in my eye. I therefore get your point

    lol, you have my deepest sympathy for having had to endure that!

    but i wasn’t specific enough in my post, the nature of the piece isn’t brooding, it’s being played by someone* who’s in a brooding mood, a bit sulky, actually… and then it’s “pop goes the weasel” once the person’s* interest is piqued by the prospect of young people being eaten… 🙂

    * assumptions, of course. this is ‘doctor who,’ after all. it could be a king made of algae!

    #57227
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    @blenkinsopthebrave

    how did a six-year old survive on his own, while caring for his mother? Oh, probably not supposed to ask that.

    i was wondering that, too. perhaps they were already living off an inheritance, and he’s really, really, really frugal in spending that money? i wondered, as well, why he wouldn’t know the current prime minister, when he clearly leaves the house (at least) every 20 years. he’d also have to leave for brief forays into the world, for food for himself, if nothing else, so picking up clues here and there about modern life wouldn’t be too hard…

    another “not supposed to ask” question: how did mere humans put those enormous chains on that giant creature at the bottom of the thames?

    #57203
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    found it, credit to @fivefaces for the ‘midnight’ theory, over in the ‘thin ice’ thread…

    #57202
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    as to the vault mystery…

    it’s been gently hinted at that there’s something/someone dangerous in there, and i’m now guessing the master (in whatever form*).

    i mean, what do you keep locked away, anyway? a treasure, a weapon, a prisoner… a madman/madwoman? (or all of the above?)

    i still think it could be a future regeneration of the doctor, per my earlier thought that maybe he wanted to put something of himself into cal, to be with river, again… for forever, or for however long that “life” might last. or, he cold have his valeyard form in there? (which would be a close approximation/near copy of the master, anyway?)

    it could even be his granddaughter, susan, hidden away for some reason. the parallel to this episode would be obvious. the landlord kept his “daughter” alive, and “safely” hidden away, for many years… but i don’t think it’s this. it could be river (from some point in her timestream), or even clara… but i don’t think it’s either of them, either, for the same reason as susan, because the doctor doesn’t strike me as the type to hold a loved one against their will. he might send them away (as he did clara, and rose, too, if i recall correctly), but he would only confine a threat…

    someone on a different thread (apologies that i can’t find it, atm) brought up the brilliant idea that it could be the creature from ‘midnight.’ allow me to further that bonkers theory, and conjecture that perhaps the midnight creature was what was left of the master, after his fight with rassilon in ‘the end of time,’ and that the doctor only realized this after that “creature’s” near escape! and he later trapped it, placed it in the (very time lord-ish) vault, and is trying to save it (as he’s often tried to rehabilitate his friend, the master). or just trying to keep it contained? (how “it” would get back its old simm form later on is a bit of a sticking point in this theory, but he came back from some dna in a ring, too, so i can roll with that easily enough!!)

    *but the biggest hint that i got that it’s the master (or some other threat) was when, at the end, he mentions that the story he has to share is one of young people being eaten, and the piano-playing goes from the brooding classical tune to the merrier (more sinister?) “pop goes the weasel.”

    #57201
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    @bluesqueakpip

    Remind you of anyone?

    looks similar to clara, in this pic. and could be a daughter of clara and danny… if danny had lived? (edit: looks very similar to orson, actually? hmmm)

    who does she remind you of?

    @countscarlioni

    That all Bill’s housemates come out of the woodwork at the end?? I thought that was a bit feeble.

    i thought so, too, at first, but if bill lost all her friends like that, she may not have wanted to continue on with traveling with the doctor. she was already a bit leery of his “can’t save everyone” attitude last week…

    as for how did they survive? perhaps being absorbed into the wood is just the first stage, and victims are held for a short while, before the inevitable “digestion?”

    #56740
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    @phaseshift

    The Doctor wanting to blow something up as first option is pretty unusual.

    as his first, uninformed impression, i totally get this reaction. human colonists on the way, murdering robots waiting for them (the doctor has seen his share of murderous robots), newly minted companion to keep safe (and a promise to get back to keeping). and i kind of see the doctor as a universal force of nature, now, as he sometimes will interfere and end up mucking up things beyond belief (or simply be caught up in the mucking, depends on your point of view), despite his best intentions. and like forces of nature (volcanoes, earthquakes, exploding suns), sometimes stuff gets blown up, so that new stuff can begin out of the ruins…

    but i really like your other option, for sure. it’s too bad the writer(s) of the episode didn’t come up with that, for whatever reasons. but i’d like to add, just because we don’t see any bot reactions when the first bot falls into the reactor, doesn’t mean those reactions didn’t happen. there was an obvious reaction when the bot was shot by the colonist, which could be an indicator that they weren’t pleased with the loss of the first one, either, and had “learned” the meaning of being disposable. (although, showing is better than telling, of course. but sometimes, maybe the writers trust us to fill in the blanks, or are simply unaware there is a blank that needs filling…)

    #56695
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    @thane15  @missy

    and once we’ve learned “what’s next?” then it’s on to “who next?”

    from the “ups” to even sadder stuff…

    🙁

    #56694
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    @tardigrade

    * A rushed and rather mundane resolution- a “reboot” solution isn’t a great one.

    it felt rushed to me, as well, but i accepted it as the least of three evils, the two greater ones being: wipe out the vardy to save the humans (which, if done successfully, would cause the building around them to possibly collapse, or simply doom the colonists to a slow death without their helpers?), or allow the humans to be killed in a war with the vardy (y’know, kinda like humans are wont to do, like, always and forever). the reboot was simply grasping at the closest solution to hand, to save the maximum amount of life, on both sides…

    #56693
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    @mudlark  (with the eagle-eye)

    It’s The Raft of the Medusa, painted by Gericault in 1818/19 currently in the Louvre.  A bit tricky to make out at first, because it’s been stood on its side and there are various objects in the way, but identifiable if you pause the screen and tilt your head to the left.

    ah, that old thing. it’s over two series old, now! 😀

    i, too, wonder if it’s the cyberised version from ‘the day of the doctor?’ it seems to be filmed quite obscuredly, and on purpose. but does anyone know why that variant even exists, in the context of the who universe (or that story, in particular, in ‘tDotD’)? i don’t recall any comment on it from the creators of the show, at the time (or in this forum)…

    #56689
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    @missy

    I was astonished that you didn’t think these episodes ‘didn’t hold up’ compared to MS’s series

    it’s not intended as a knock against peter, at all, he’s fabulous with what the writers have given him (all the nuwho guys have been equally terrific in that respect). i just think the overall vision of the series was stronger and more cohesive for smith, vs the recent years for capaldi. and i blame moffat, for allocating a bit too much time for other things (looking at you, sherlock!). it’s a tiny drop off in quality, but it’s there for me, nonetheless.

    as for our differing opinions, well, this forum would be rather stale if we all agreed on everything! i’m just glad that everyone who disagrees with me, does so in such a nice way… 😀

    #56631
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    i don’t know how to upload a screencapture to this forum, but do any of our resident eagle-eyed art people know what the huge wall painting is, in the very furthest background, when the doctor is on his way to the engine room? (it’s in the scene where he picks up the nefertiti bust…)

    #56630
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    @thane15

    Also for putting up with me writing the word ‘certainly’ to @geoffers three times in as many sentences. I blame youtube! *-_-*

    i certainly didn’t even notice that! 😛

    #56629
    geoffers @replies

    @thane15

    “hasn’t held up” is just my opinion, of course! i think the writing is still at a high level for capaldi’s run, but even the last smith series started showing some cracks. i’ve always blamed moffat, for dividing his time between who and sherlock, and spreading his genius a bit too thinly…

    but smithdoc had some quite dark moments, too, so i don’t think it’s just on the regeneration trauma that they went for with capdoc. there was that comical/whimsical face that smith put on over his inner turmoil, that capaldi has slowly been growing into (with little nods, like how nardole commented that he does get quite silly, sometimes). maybe capdoc just veered too far away from my favourite portrayal (smith’s), and that’s why i feel the way i do? not let down, necessarily, but less connected to the character, perhaps?

    i’m glad, though, that we all connect as deeply as we do, in our differing ways. that’s a testament to the power of the show, in general, that it can be so many things for so many viewers, on so many levels. and i think it keeps surviving (and thriving) because of that fluidity/malleability of concept…

    🙂

    #56626
    geoffers @replies

    @marktwainsghost

    Oddly enough, I am seeing some similarities between Bill and Donna… it’s more like a feel for the show instead of direct comparisons. There is no hope of sexual tension with either, no special powers, a sense of wonder, and both seek out danger with a joy few would have.

    i’m all for this, donna was my favourite companion! i wonder if they’re setting up a “return to pompeii” story, as was hinted at in capaldi’s first episode, ‘deep breath?’

    as for ‘smile,’ i loved the pacing of this episode. it does harken back to classic who, in that there was a lot of place setting, and development of the story through dialogue, and not a lot of reliance on “things whizzing around,” or time jumps, or quick edits. there was, perhaps, a wee bit too much verbal exposition from the doctor, as he and bill are with the deceased woman, brainstorming about what’s gone wrong, though. and both she and the doctor were criminally slow in realizing that the young boy had just wandered off (classic who)! but, aside from those two things, i was quite happy…

    i have to give props, though, as i really love the writer’s subtle foreshadowing/revealing of what’s going on, in two specific instances (and i only picked up on them after a re-watch):

    the first, when the vardi are swirling around doing surveillance (as the doctor presumes), he says, “do you know what this building is made of? pure, soaring, optimism.” this, as the vardi are shown, soaring and swirling overhead, then he later reveals them to be, literally, what the actual buildings are made of.

    the second, when bill is eating and the doctor is piecing together the mystery, he conjectures that, “the whole place is waiting. we’re just too early.” and bill’s response (referring to her comment about a student union preparing for the students) is, “cause they’re all still in bed.” how right she was… and a nice dig at university students, who spend far too much time (over)sleeping! (i was certainly guilty of this, back in the day.)

    on a slightly different note, am i the only one who wondered, why not just take off all your clothing, if you suspect the robots are monitoring your emotions via the badges, and reacting (murderously) accordingly? surely the colonists would be given basic human privacy, when naked? (either for the obvious purpose of procreation, or the basic necessities, like showering/bathing?) or would the badges adhere to skin, when no clothing is being worn? ewwww…

    (lol, what does it say about me that that would be my go-to response to being threatened by murderous robots? get naked!)

    obviously, the BBC couldn’t/wouldn’t allow the writers to go there… at least, not until ‘doctor who’ is produced by HBO! but it’s probably best not to expect that level of realism from a fantasy/sci-fi show, and to just roll with what’s being presented… 😛

    #56623
    geoffers @replies

    Well, in the moment when the Doctor hesitates as he reaches out to wipe Bill’s memory, the music which we hear is Clara’s theme

    As I have maintained throughout, all the evidence suggests that his memory of Clara has been not been completely obliterated – possibly because the neural block had been configured initially for a human brain, and she may not have been completely successful in ‘reversing the polarity’.  He can no longer recall what she looked or sounded like, or how he felt about her; he can no longer *see* her.  When he was talking to her in the diner, though, he could remember details of at least some of their adventures together, including the events which led up to his decision to use the neural block on her and the reason for the decision, which was to protect her.  There is still a subliminal memory which can be evoked by certain situations or trigger events.

    @mudlark

    ah, thank you for the “clara”fication, on the music! i was pretty good at recognizing the music cues back in smith’s run, but i’ve gotten them all jumbled up in my brain since. therefore, i didn’t even recognize clara’s theme…

    the second part of your comment brings up another connection, though. wiping his own memory of clara has left a “clara-shaped” hole in the doc’s memory, just like deleting himself from history left a “doctor-shaped” hole in the universe during smith’s run. so, he should be able to build up a profile of who this missing memory person is, just from the contextual things he still remembers! such a nice thematic callback to my favourite doctor (though i really do love capaldi for his portrayal, the writing for his first two series just hasn’t held up, so far, the way it did for smith, overall)…

    🙂

    #56341
    geoffers @replies

    i had another thought, about that vault, related to (what the audience knows is) the coming regeneration. given the effect river has had on the doctor, i wonder if he would try to upload a version of his consciousness to CAL, so that they could have a “life” together? so maybe he has CAL inside the vault, to protect her (but from whom, or what… and why), while he works on a way to join her… or, is just waiting for the inevitable moment of his next death? maybe he could only accomplish it during a regeneration, and he’s set up a transfer station in there for when his time has come (again)?

    lol, i’m genuinely headed into fanfiction/shipper territory!

    but all my theorizing leads me to the question, also, of: wouldn’t the bloody tardis be the safest bloody place to stash (bloody) whatever is inside? i mean, he got the eye of harmony in there, so…

     

    (we’re only one episode in, how will i make it through with my sanity intact??!!)

    #56340
    geoffers @replies

    @thane15

    thank you, puro, it’s so good to be back. have spent most of the past year obsessing over ‘Game of Thrones’ (and the books, aSoIaF), as there was a vacuum in my (who)universe that needed to be filled.  but now it’s time to get back to bonkersizing!

    also, i hadn’t been keeping up with the day-to-day goings on here on the forum, so i didn’t know about your struggles. i, too, am glad that you are doing better, and i look forward to your contributions throughout the season! 🙂

    re: my curiosity about the actress in bill’s photos, i don’t think it’s the same woman who played the time traveler in ‘hide.’ they do look similar, in some ways (the dimpled chin, for one), so it could just be that the original actress wasn’t available, if there is to be a connection. but for now, i’m going to assume there isn’t. after missy’s scheming to place clara with the doctor, i doubt they’d go that route so soon…

    i did wonder, though, about the vehicle that leaked the fluid. could it have been a spacecraft that had some interest in the events of ‘the waters of mars?’ others have pointed out the similarities to ‘midnight’ and ‘tWoM,’ and i noticed right away how heather became “possessed”/inhabited, much like the colonists there. (she wasn’t seen to touch the puddle, but perhaps that’s how she was dragged in?) it’s a tenuous connection, at best, and far more likely that they’ve come up with a completely new creature…

    but, it only takes a hint from the production team, for me to go that extra mile! 😛

    #56331
    geoffers @replies

    [hmm, my post #56324 seems to have gotten lost. here’s what it said, just in case it never shows up, again.]

    exactly what year is it? In fact it’s just occurred to me, it could be….any time-ish. As long as it’s not later than 6 pm. Didn’t see any ipads/iphones etc (hence the time/decade question).

    @thane15

    i’m guessing it’s current time. bill has a cell phone, which looks like a normal iphone/smart phone, on which she gets a call from her mother…
    still digesting all the comments here, preparing to do a re-watch, but one of my first thoughts when i saw the pictures the doctor took of bill’s mother was, is that the same actress who played the lost time traveler in ‘hide?’ (or someone similar looking enough to get away with the connection, anyway?) i don’t think there’ll be any familial connection between bill and the doctor (or his past companions), i think she’ll just be a mirror in which he’ll see glimpses of himself, and his situation with river and susan. he still doesn’t technically remember clara, i’m guessing, but he does remember donna, quite well, and the moment when he decides not to mind-wipe her memories was a call back to that, methinks…

    my first official bonkers theory of the new season: the doctor, himself, is in the vault… in his next regenerated (regenerating, if it’s a stasis vault) form, having been trapped there by _______ (insert villain of your choosing).

    i’m so often wrong, though, but… who nose?! it’s so great to be back! 🙂

    #56329
    geoffers @replies

    @rorysmith

    i agree, somewhat. moffat does tend to go for the emotional moment, rather than the strictly rational, well-thought out plot. the plot holes are less important than the emotional payoff for him, and i’m ok with that. i don’t watch doctor who as a puzzle-solving show, anyway, more as a drama with cool little mind tricks and thinking exercises. when you can literally change time in any given situation, leaving a lot of time-changes off-screen makes for simplified storytelling, i guess? lol

    *end moffat apology*

    #56327
    geoffers @replies

    @rorysmith

    Will Orson Pink ever be explained?

    i thought orson was a descendant of clara and danny (who just happened to look A LOT like his great-great-grandfather, or whatever), who ended up never really existing because missy had danny killed, and turned into a cyberman?

     

    #56324
    geoffers @replies

    exactly what year is it? In fact it’s just occurred to me, it could be….any time-ish. As long as it’s not later than 6 pm. Didn’t see any ipads/iphones etc (hence the time/decade question).

    @thane15

    i’m guessing it’s current time. bill has a cell phone, which looks like a normal iphone/smart phone, on which she gets a call from her mother…

     

    still digesting all the comments here, preparing to do a re-watch, but one of my first thoughts when i saw the pictures the doctor took of bill’s mother was, is that the same actress who played the lost time traveler in ‘hide?’ (or someone similar looking enough to get away with the connection, anyway?) i don’t think there’ll be any familial connection between bill and the doctor (or his past companions), i think she’ll just be a mirror in which he’ll see glimpses of himself, and his situation with river and susan. he still doesn’t technically remember clara, i’m guessing, but he does remember donna, quite well, and the moment when he decides not to mind-wipe her memories was a call back to that, methinks…

    my first official bonkers theory of the new season: the doctor, himself, is in the vault… in his next regenerated (regenerating, if it’s a stasis vault) form, having been trapped there by _______ (insert villain of your choosing).

    i’m so often wrong, though, but… who nose?! it’s so great to be back! 🙂

    #53219
    geoffers @replies

    as much as i loved matt, when peter’s time is up, i’d much rather see (at least) one full season of paul mcgann, to see what he could bring to the show…

    but i’ll be happy, no matter what they do. hell, i’d love to see all three, taking turns crossing one another’s time streams, in a fifteen episode season… would be EPIC, to say the least…

    🙂

    #52670
    geoffers @replies

    @ichabod

    i hadn’t even thought about the new show. i think i read that filming for the next doctor series begins filming in july, so it could really be either (or both!), i guess. we shall see!

    😉

     

    #52665
    geoffers @replies

    @pedant

    i do recall that mysterious filming. maybe it’ll be part of this year’s xmas special?

    obviously i wouldn’t mind seeing clara, again (or any other old companion, really), but i am more excited to see what the new companion brings to the show. clara’s story is just too complete, now, for it to feel like anything other than a re-hash of what’s gone before…

    but i still trust the grand moff, and he’s probably got something mind-bending and/or heart-smashing in store for us!!

    🙂

    #52658
    geoffers @replies

    @everyone

    http://nerdist.com/doctor-whos-peter-capaldi-says-clara-might-be-back/

     

    as someone who loved clara, even i thought, “steven… LET IT GO!”

    lol

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