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24 December 2014 at 11:32 #36342
That’s a nice timey-wimey Christmas wish @arbutus 🙂
I’d like to raise a glass to @craig for all his hard work creating and holding this charming Who space throughout the year.
And to our moderators past and present, currently @jimthefish @fatmaninabox and @phaseshift for stirling services to keeping the sofa comfy.
And also a toast to absent friends – to @htpbdet who brought such gentle emotional wisdom and Who lore to these boards. RIP friend.
To one and all xxx @J-fish
23 December 2014 at 11:55 #36330Well, there isn’t a Radio thread. Do we need one @craig ?
Wondering if anyone else has been listening to R4’s adaptation of Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman’s Good Omens?
The first and second episodes are on iplayer and the third episode is on tonight.
Lots of fun so far (I am only on ep one at the moment). Peter Serafinowicz makes a very good Crowley.
21 December 2014 at 09:21 #36313@jimthefish @craig @blenkinsopthebrave @barbaralefty @janetteb @whisht @lisa @bluesqueakpip @fatmaninabox
I got the tenth – amusing, because I think he’d get on my nerves in actuality, a lot more than eleven or twelve…
Happy Solstice to everyone on the Who forum! Winter solstice for those of us in the Northern hemisphere – so I raise a cup of tea and distribute some jelly babies to the return of the light and the long crawl towards spring.
13 December 2014 at 21:47 #36197Tomorrows Worlds and the Power of Time Travel is on BBC 2 next… probably some Dr. Who clips in there <settles on the sofa and munches glittery biscuits>
11 December 2014 at 19:34 #36177@Purofilion @pedant and @jimthefish
Awww – just dropping in on the Buffy-fest to say how much this show still has a special place in my heart. It ends up being a heroines journey to the underworld story for our times.
I think writers Marti Noxon and Jane Espenson should get especial credit alongside Joss, because, looking at Dollhouse (which I disliked immensely) he needs the right kind of balancing.
9 December 2014 at 20:59 #36138Thanks @pedant 🙂 She looks a bit fed up with doing it in this one, I think!
1 December 2014 at 22:27 #35980Wooo hoooo – a brand new sofa! Hastily scatters glitter, biscuit crumbs and iridescent fish scales – well – it has to be well worn to be loved.
@danmartinuk The comments closed on your Jenna piece before I could comment! I am still holding out for Clara as the Doc’s grand-daughter or his pathway to his grand-daughter in some way. River’s comment about her link to Clara still resonates.
1 December 2014 at 22:17 #35977I will definitely also vote for The Cloven Hoof joining @craig and @jimthefish , The Beast Below would also work, although I do like The Fox Goes Free very much @phaseshift 🙂
30 November 2014 at 09:12 #35917Sorry to link to the Daily Fail but it’s a non-BBC-bashing article about Jenna and Capaldi’s on-screen partnership which is quite interesting, with various spoilers for the Christmas special included…
29 November 2014 at 21:15 #35907@phaseshift Happy belated birthday! Sounds like you had fun in style.
Urgh yes Black Friday is a hideous idea. As a counter-point I enjoy the Reverend Billy and his Church of Stop Shopping https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUiUrEqmBQA
22 November 2014 at 22:57 #35821@craig Thanks for the good wishes re health – it’s been a tough one.
I want to do 4 for affectionate reasons, but I suppose 3 would work – I’m not that fond of 5 or 6.
Did anyone watch “Tomorrow’s Worlds” (thanks @phaseshift and @fatmaninabox). It was enjoyable if, of course, missing many things from Flash Gordon to ET to Blade Runner, although the little intro from Rutger Hauer was great.
22 November 2014 at 14:22 #35810@phaseshift and @fatmaninabox thank you – I might watch that.
@mudlark – thanks very much for the condolences/ health wishes – much appreciated. You could dress up as River – go for it! x
22 November 2014 at 11:36 #35799@scaryb <waves fishily> I’m still not well, alas, but always cheered by comrades on the couch here 🙂
Which Doctor do you fancy dressing up as for the Doctor Who Forum calendar? xx
15 November 2014 at 21:13 #35623Well I never really got into McCoy’s Doctor – I was on hiatus from Who at the time – so it’s interesting to see him now. I do like the Scottish (being of Scots stock myself).
His father / child slash mentor/ mentee relationship with Ace is entirely believable – a million miles away from Ten/ Rose or Four/ Romana 2.
This Doctor’s patrician qualities are certainly in evidence.
I do, as ever, appreciate the slower storytelling pace. I miss the serial plot-driven narrative quality of Old Who.
15 November 2014 at 20:43 #35621Sorry you had a wobble and the commentators are getting you down on The Graun.
I think very fondly of the times we had on your blog – although I do spend my time here instead these days because we have a collective spirit of enjoyment and a (fan) culture here.
The Guardian would have to consider changing the way it mods in order to change the culture I think.
Because we can, we have a modding policy (and some excellent mods) which just doesn’t tolerate bad behaviour and we have a collective commitment to keeping the space pleasant, which is about a sense of belonging, shared “ownership” and responsibility (although @craig does all the hard work behind the scenes).
I’ll make an effort to drop by your blog at Christmas – promise 🙂
9 November 2014 at 07:56 #35115I’m with you @scaryb – Gallifrey is out there, just not where Missy said, and, as you say, the Doctor has returned there in the TARDIS with Clara without knowing.
I’m also sold on Clara as Missy and the Doctor’s daughter 🙂
Certainly I’m still wondering whether Clara is the Doctor’s progeny – he loves her the way one loves one’s child – unconditionally.
@peargrins Osgood’s death was absolutely awful no doubt – I felt sick watching it – really, really frightening and chilling. Missy/ the Master is a deeply dark person and we shouldn’t forget it. It did really upset me.
And I do miss Smith’s easy comedic turn and his slapstick physical comedy – it was one of the lovely aspects of his Doctor. But Capaldi’s sombre Doctor, with his gruffness and his soft centre is equally beguiling, just in a different way.
8 November 2014 at 21:47 #35047So Missy is alive (one of the immutable laws of the Who universe is that the Master never really dies) and Gallifrey is out there somewhere.
Truth, lies and remembrance were the timely themes.
Clara telling Cyber-Danny, before she realised it was him, that the Doctor was the most important man in her life – followed by Danny’s decision not to remember/ not to feel – ouch.
And Missy telling the Doctor she wanted her friend back, and savouring his regret as he “killed” her – double ouch.
No doubt Missy was likewise savouring the Doctor’s despair from somewhere as he found out her Gallifrey co-ordinates were a lie.
Clara and the Doctor lying to each other at the end was played beautifully. They should, of course, have remembered what good liars they both are.
Missy’s temptation of the Doctor was very Faustian – a cyber army to defeat the daleks (although they don’t come off that well in encounters so far) and save the universe…
And Danny’s decision to save the boy he killed rather than come back to Clara was genuinely touching and a comment on war and its survivor’s guilt.
The cyber-army fix by Danny was a bit quick after all the build-up, but Missy as a maniacal Mary Poppins was truly a delight.
8 November 2014 at 18:54 #350198 November 2014 at 10:48 #34987Sprinkles a tonne of glitter on the sofa in anticipation of the finale this evening (oops @scaryb – hope it doesn’t get in your tipple).
Then sniffs a bit, because it can’t be the finale already, can it?
6 November 2014 at 17:06 #34871I’m still stuck on the idea that Clara is the Doctor and Missy’s kid in some timey-wimey manner 🙂
I also still like the idea that somehow she’s already dead. It fits with the underworld theme.
@phaseshift Lol at your letter and yes, I’d be delighted to dress-up for the calendar too in a long and multi-coloured scarf.
@jimthefish I agree that death should be a suitable topic for children as well as adults – we are an unhealthily death-fearing culture, which just makes it harder, in the end.
Hope everyone in the UK enjoyed the odd firework in the sky last night. Winter is coming.
4 November 2014 at 22:03 #34754This one is definitely my fave:
“If the Doctor regenerated into a woman, would he change his name to The Nurse?
No. Because a woman doctor is called ‘a doctor’.”
I like the time loop theories. Just as I like the idea that Clara is already dead. We know something is going on “up-time-stream” already, given that the Doctor turned out to be the Architect in “Time Heist”.
Huh – maybe Clara is the Doctor and Missy’s daughter 🙂 They’ve both called her “Clara, my Clara” if I’m not mistaken.
4 November 2014 at 08:02 #34712@craig Spiffy new avatar – looking good in blue eye-shadow 🙂
Everyone who has been speculated that Clara is already dead – oooh shivers – I like it.
@scaryb I agree with you re the kiss, that the Master likes to freak the Doctor out, but… I also reckon the Doctor and the Master had a bit of a fling when they were young at the Academy, and the Master-now-Missy has a lingering pining for the old days, whereas the Doctor tries hard to scrub it from his memory most of the time, given how the Master turned out 🙂
I too hope Missy is around for a while. I’d like to see her with a companion.
3 November 2014 at 07:32 #34615@Margaret-Blaine Nice to see a mention of @htpbdet
I too think of him, and wonder what he would have made of the new series. He was a Clara fan but not a Smith fan. I think he’d have enjoyed Capaldi’s Doctor. I raise a glass to him – what a lovely man.
@phileasf It’s obviously worth re-watching that post-it note scene with the pause button for those of us who enjoy background clues. I do like very much that, in both Sherlock and Doctor Who, TPTB are aware of the clue hunters and set design for them, for fun, even if a fair amount of clues under the Moff turn out to be red herrings <she says fishily>.
2 November 2014 at 07:49 #34505@phaseshift @jimthefish @craig Yes PLEASE to the calendar . It could be Master/ Doctor themed featuring (a different) Missy with each of the twelve docs. I’ll get my Fourth costume together 🙂
Well, apparently The Doctor has a patch that makes her dream so vividly, she thinks it’s reality. >.> That might be…important
Yes, it might…
I suspect the Master’s “choice” of Clara is that he wanted someone who would fall in love and then persuade the Doctor to try and resurrect that person from the dead. It’s probably by Missy’s design that Danny Pink got run over. Clara was an unwitting trap to lure the Doctor to the nethersphere.
And deeply, twistedly, poetic of course, from the Master-Missy’s perspective – given that the Doctor would also (as far as the Doc was concerned) be “resurrecting” a presumed dead Master-Missy into his consciousness again.
1 November 2014 at 22:46 #34463@bluesqueakpip – agreed! He’s her grandfather or great grandfather and we will happily consign Eleven’s inappropriate remarks about her skirt to the time vortex!
1 November 2014 at 22:44 #34462@phaseshift I too am looking forward to the pics of the Mary Poppins outfit. Just think of all the fun you can have with wigs as well. And the Master/ Doctor snog photos, across all twelve incarnations, which will now pervade conventions.
@spider I liked your journey to acceptance 🙂
Looking forward to finding out how the Master escaped the bubble universe of Gallifrey and acquired her spiffy new body.
I thought the cybermen spilling out of St. Pauls were quite thrillingly chilling.
Definitely will be watching again.
1 November 2014 at 21:25 #34441Well, well, a long overdue Doctor/ Master snog… some corners of the fan fiction universe will be beside themselves with delight and others… not. Moffat is a ridiculous troll sometimes – he’s just waiting for all the forums to explode one way or another 🙂
And @phaseshift I think you can congratulate yourself on the raised from the dead Halloween theme.
Superlative acting by Capaldi as ever – “Do you think I care for you so little that betraying me would make a difference?” being my favourite line.
This iteration of the Cybermen was definitely scary – let’s just hope Danny doesn’t press “delete”.
30 October 2014 at 21:48 #34356It implies a) that the Doctor is as old as God and b) that he’s been Born Again.
It does.
What is interesting is that we speculated the Doctor might be free of his past with a new set of regenerations, but Moff has chosen to continue with the War Doctor’s burden still lying heavy over the Doctor’s hearts. I do wonder if the Valeyard is coming. And after that, a lifting of the burden with the return of the Time Lords to the universe, and therefore the beginning of another kind of burden – the Doctor as a maverick Time Lord often clashing with his people once more, rather than being the last of his kind. That’s what I’d do with this story.
27 October 2014 at 07:21 #34191@purofilion Thanks for the perspectives of the twelve year olds in your house – it is interesting to hear how younger viewers perceive Who. And a notable sign of changing times that, whilst Who was a programme aimed at kids from the beginning, the Doctor rarely interacted with children in Old Who.
What has happened to Linda Lee’s reviews? I haven’t been keeping up with them this season. Has anyone else?
@spider and @purofilion Thanks for sharing your stories of trying to avoid medication. I agree that medication isn’t always the answer and listening may be. That was clearly the point of the Doctor’s comment re Maebh.
Interesting discussion re Danny and Clara @blenkinsopthebrave and @bluesqueakpip . I had every sympathy with Clara who wanted to see the solar flare from space at the end. I think the script left us to decide which of Danny’s “get the kids home” or Clara’s “show them wonders” perspectives we preferred. Clara is torn between two lives, rather in the way that Amy was torn. But whilst Rory went along with Amy’s choice to travel in the TARDIS for a long time, Danny prefers to have his feet firmly planted on the earth, so Clara has to juggle more of a double life.
26 October 2014 at 16:18 #34149@Margaret-Blaine
I think someone has already quoted Walt Whitman’s poem on another page, but it rather ties in with @phaseshift‘s theories about the dead and by association suggests Annabel came back from the dead. My creepy theory is not that some magical hydrangeas sequestered her @pedant but that she was dead in the woods and the magical tree beings granted her little sister’s wish and reanimated her.
Perhaps Clara is dead or, if she’s the Doctor’s great grand-daughter or other descendant, she is returned from the dead, from the time-line in which Gallifrey burned.
<i>O Captain! My Captain! our fearful trip is done;
</i> <i>The ship has weather’d every rack, the prize we sought is won;
</i> <i>The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting,
</i> <i>While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring:
</i><dl><dd><i>But O heart! heart! heart!</i><dl><dd><i>O the bleeding drops of red,</i><dl><dd><i>Where on the deck my Captain lies,</i><dl><dd><i>Fallen cold and dead.</i></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
26 October 2014 at 09:03 #34138@bluesqueakpip “I think the one big problem with it was its lack of tension”
I think it was a writing problem to be honest, because each threat was scattered and none of them had enough build up.
So, for instance, we knew the solar flare was coming and that the humans in their idiocy, were trying to burn the trees (their saviours in fact) but we didn’t get to interact with any of those authorities or have the Doctor and the children try to persuade a ground crew of adults of their mistake. Instead it was left to a broadcast from the TARDIS at the end.
The animals were an incidental, visual scare, but there was no particular purpose to them except as a reference to fairy tales.
Basically there was a lot of running around, when I wanted the Doctor and Maebh and the tree-beings to make their case to earth’s authorities.
I think the script got a little lost in the woods itself and was trying to do too many things at once.
26 October 2014 at 07:50 #34136And it seems the lost (and perhaps dead), are starting to return. Just in time for an annual event.
I definitely think you’re onto something. Perhaps what Missy was surprised by was that her usual harvesting of people who die in the wake of the Doctor’s adventures did not take place. There was no “reaping”, because no one in the Doctor’s party died. And, moreover the reverse happened, as you say, as Maebh’s sister was returned, perhaps to life, by the magical tree-beings.
Missy I’ll warrant is planning a big j’acuse in which she tells the Doctor that he, even after living through the War Doctor’s terrible choice, is an agent of death – that death follows in his wake.
It will be up to love to save the day! Won’t it @blenkinsopthebrave 🙂
25 October 2014 at 22:09 #34106Not my favourite of the scripts so far, even though I am a great lover of trees and generally forgive all sentimentality about them. Who doesn’t want to be protected by a great tree spirit?
The title was promising, but the awe of Tyger, Tyger was somewhat missing. I would have preferred more shadowy wolves, tigers and panthers for a start, rather than the full-on furry beasties we got – shadows being more frightening than solid shapes.
Of course Blake’s poem is about the majesty of the creator, and this was a eco-fable about the majesty of forests; one where the Doctor was a wizard who knew to listen to children rather than medicate them.
Whilst a little heavy handed in the delivery of its moral lessons, there were some highlights. The exchange between the Doctor and Clara at the ivy-covered TARDIS door being my favourite. Capaldi’s blink when Clara said she didn’t want to be the last of her kind broke my heart with the flick of an eyelid. The man can act.
Missy seems to have been thrown by the outcome, but in what way? Was it Clara’s heroic decision to save the Doctor and then die with Mr. Pink and the kids which surprised her? Is Clara performing “outside parameters”?
The nod to Little Red Riding Hood was a pleasure.
23 October 2014 at 15:49 #34030I’ll go for this version “If he doesn’t personally believe it’s right, he does seem extremely sympathetic to characters who take it to its final conclusion – that you might have to be prepared to destroy your own planet.”
Rather than being sympathetic to utilitarianism, I think RTD is interested in pushing the idea of a “good man” to its limits. What he did with Captain Jack was even more pronounced than with the Who reboot, because we saw the choice fully on-screen. But I think the text was fairly clear that the sacrificing one’s innocent grandson was an absolutely unforgivable act (particularly as it was only necessary because the Captain had previously been involved in sacrificing other children to the 452) – and that Jack would carry that (and the loss of his relationship with his daughter) with him forever.
23 October 2014 at 07:55 #34011That means the hero of the show is someone who’s done something only God could forgive; and he doesn’t even believe in God
“I agree that RTD didn’t think so. RTD’s moral view (caveat: whatever they are) seems to come across as utilitarian ‘greatest good of greatest number’. Destroying Gallifrey would be forgiveable if the alternative was destroying the universe.”
Interested to know what makes you think that this was RTD’s moral view. I always thought that the great story of the Nu Who reboot was that RTD very boldly made the Doctor responsible for genocide right at the start, not as something justifiable, but as a terrible weight lying over the Doctor’s hearts. But, narratively, he always left it in the background (because it was pretty dark for what is billed as a kids’ show right off the bat) at least until The End of Time. So, the enormity of the Doctor’s choice (and crime) was hinted at every now and again, as when in The Impossible Planet/ The Satan Pit, the Beast taunts the Doctor as “the killer of his own kind” or when Davros in Journey’s End taunts him as “The man who keeps running. Never looking back. Because he dare not out of shame.”
The End of Time gave us a glimpse of the choice – the end of the universe or the destruction of Gallifrey, but I don’t think it forgave or justified the Doctor in a utilitarian manner – it left us, the audience, to forgive him if we wanted to – but we saw clearly, as we have seen through each incarnation from Ecclestone to Capaldi, that the Doctor did not, and does not, forgive himself. The Doctor is not a utilitarian and RTD did not write him as one.
22 October 2014 at 22:52 #34000I used to work in an academic department with a faction that just like that…
Lol – oh yes, the slime-ademics – hideous beasties often encountered crawling the corridors of the ivory tower 🙂
22 October 2014 at 22:37 #33998@Purofilion So sorry you are in hospital again – solidarity
This Doctor is so bewitching and formidable that I found myself moving forward to listen to him as he approached the screen.
Yes, he is – Capaldi’s performance is wonderful, because it is a fire burning under restraint. He is so skilled that he doesn’t need to be fireworks, he can be the slow burning fuse at the heart of something – layered and volcanic.
20 October 2014 at 20:21 #33913I like your speculations about Missy being in the Doctor’s head. It was certainly quite marked – the conversation he had with himself in his cabin on the Orient Express in space – almost as if two distinct personalities were present.
If Moff is going for the Valeyard story (which I know some people don’t want, but I’m up for it) then a Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde approach to that would certainly be up Moff’s literary street.
I personally think Missy is external to the Doctor, BUT she may be trying to provoke a crisis in Twelve which brings out the Hyde (Valeyard) side and makes the Dr. Jekyl side dormant.
18 October 2014 at 23:44 #33767@bluesqueakpip Well done you – and Rome I’ll wager is Gallifrey
@Purofilion Your Ancient Greek teacher sounds quite charming 🙂 Yes, I’m enjoying this season – it feels as if it is swooping down on us in a velvet lined cape.
18 October 2014 at 23:18 #33763@Purofilion Thanks for the fish food and shiny new house 🙂 Some morphine wouldn’t go amiss either! Hope you’re on the mend.
“If you want the good news, the rent here’s cheap as Hell” Callimachus
I think it’s a feint and bluff – we’re supposed to wonder if Danny is a wrong ‘un but I reckon he’ll come good at the twelfth hour.
18 October 2014 at 23:06 #33762And can I just add – the Doctor was hard on Clara – she saved Rigsy from committing suicide with her hairband and the first thing he did was call his Mum – bless!
18 October 2014 at 22:52 #33759@phaseshift Thanks for posting – a lovely video (oh the 80s hair). I must say I did like this track when it came out – had a weakness for their music – schmaltzy as it is.
18 October 2014 at 22:45 #33753@bluesqueakpip LOL I love the idea of the Master trying to save the Doctor in a twisted sort of condemn-you-to-twelve-more-regenerations way.
Given how heavily the Master-Doctor dynamic was influenced by all the slash fiction out there when Tennant and Simm faced off, that “boyfriend” comment of Missy’s does make me incline to the theory.
Clara as the Valeyard? Mmmmn – I don’t think she’s actually future-Doctor. She blew in on a leaf. Does the Doctor blow in on a leaf? Surely he (or she) skateboards in on a cosmic headwind?
I DO very much hope the Valeyard puts in an appearance however. I’d be pretty cross with Moff if he makes the first female incarnation of the Doctor, the Valeyard. But, as he is a massive tease and likes to poke the hornet’s nest, and given how (ridiculously) controversial a female Doctor still is in some parts of the fandom – it IS the sort of thing he’d do – just to annoy lots of different folks at once!
18 October 2014 at 22:38 #33752@purofilion So sorry you’ve been in hospital x Sending solidarity from one sickly Who-fan to another!
I enjoyed the Doctor/ Clara dynamic in this episode, as I’ve enjoyed it throughout Twelve’s run thus far. He is proud of her and hard on her and snippy with her and fond of her all at once. As I’ve said before (once or twice) – very grandfatherly.
I hope Missy IS the Master in female form – what fun!
18 October 2014 at 22:24 #33745@scaryb Yes he did call them “the boneless” – I think that was another sonic/ little Doctor joke given that he was pointing it at them at the time.
Graffiti saved the day. And didn’t the shut-down version of the TARDIS look like a miniature Pandorica? 🙂
I liked the shot of the Doctor’s hand scuttling the TARDIS across the railway tracks like a hermit crab.
So has Missy planted Clara on the TARDIS to (unwittingly) nudge the Doctor further into a blue funk of self-hatred with her wide-eyed emulation? Missy really is rather reminiscent of Madame Kovarian.
I think it’s time for another Jenny and Vastra episode.
18 October 2014 at 21:11 #33727“Congratulations lying is a vital survival skill… and a terrible habit”. The Doctor sounds very grand-fatherly, don’t you think?
Clara as a “leader” in training, who calls herself “Doctor” and wields the sonic – rather grand-daughterly, no?
This wasn’t one of my favourite episodes of the season, although the concept of two dimensional beings invading as three dimensional zombies was fun. But more than worth it for the rather chilling exchange between the Doctor and Clara at the end. Of course he’s not pleased she did well as the Doctor – he doesn’t like himself:
“You were an exceptional Doctor Clara, goodness had nothing to do with it”,
As for Missy’s, “My Clara”, what do we make of that? Missy definitely seems rogue Time-Lordish. I do like the prior theory that she is the Master in a female incarnation.
18 October 2014 at 17:04 #33710Nice discussion @phaseshift and @jimthefish and @blenkinsopthebrave about the nature of soap as a genre and in its defence.
To that I would add that there is often an un-thought out response which labels “soap” as a derisory form when there is a gendered cultural history to that. Soap was created as drama aimed at women (paid for by soap manufacturers in the US on the radio originally, hence the name). Women’s culture has, in a patriarchal society (one where men are in far more of the top positions of power in media for example) historically been denigrated, in part because of the old Ancient Greek dichotomous separation between intellect coded as masculine and emotion coded as feminine.
Doctor Who has a more developed emotional element to it than BG and that enriches rather than debases it in my view. We are all, men and women, both rational and emotional creatures in reality.
17 October 2014 at 20:49 #33696I do wish Jenny and Vastra had been on the Orient Express in space – I feel they would have acquitted themselves admirably and no doubt Vastra would have wanted to eat Gus for breakfast – the rascally chuffing rapscallion.
14 October 2014 at 19:55 #33563Oh – jinx @jimthefish – we said virtually the same thing in simultaneous posts – woooooo – through the fish pond looking glass 🙂
14 October 2014 at 19:54 #33561I liked your post @soundworld “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
I think Nu Who is more “mythic” in general than Old Who – the latter did often hold up science as a great truth. These days the Doctor rarely describes himself as a scientist (I did love his line about being a doctor of intestinal parasites) and Moffat is given to using the concept of the “soul” on several occasions.
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