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12 November 2015 at 03:03 #46823
Just noticed something on a re-watch: When Clara and Bonnie are conversing via Clara’s TV, Clara reveals to Bonnie where the Osgood box is, and Bonnie threatens Clara, saying she is looking forward to Clara’s death. But Clara insists Bonnie will want to talk to Clara when she finds the Osgood box. Yet, once they’re down there, Clara doesn’t do any of the talking. Only the Doctor speaks to Bonnie and Kate. Hmmmm?
11 November 2015 at 17:05 #46795i just wish and prey, that steven moffat would bring back classics, like early cyberman, as everyone wants that, bring back omega, 6 months ago i was screaming for davros, and it delivered big time!!!
There are those like my husband, a longtime Doctor Who viewer, who wishes the opposite. I think he considers it lazy writing to keep relying on the old familiar favorites. He prefers newer ideas, and also standalone episodes. I think this is just a matter of personal taste. I came in later in the series, so I’m OK with them re-exploring old themes. But I also want new ideas and themes. So I think what Moffat & Co. are trying to do is strike a balance and appeal to both sides of the fan base. It’s a bit like trying to keep all the James Bond fans happy … basically an exercise in futility.
11 November 2015 at 16:46 #46793@jphamlore Thanks for pointing that out.
10 November 2015 at 23:47 #46748Actually, being the RAF it would be Group Captain Jack….
My thoughts exactly, as soon as I read “RAF-style great coat.”
<Nerys staggers toward fridge as Donna bellows on phone.>
10 November 2015 at 18:20 #46730Speaking of the TARDIS, has anyone worked out why the Cloister Bell was going off like mad at the start of several episodes this season? It happened so frequently, I was starting to think it would be part of every episode. I had a theory revolving around Clara, but now I’m not so sure about that.
10 November 2015 at 15:15 #46715Wow, @frobisher I like your ideas about Orson and what Clara might do to save Danny. Brilliant bonkerizing! Though, as @purofilion has pointed out, there are a few snags in the resulting timeline. Isn’t that always the case?
9 November 2015 at 17:50 #46669@kharis Dunno if I agree with you about River having played a role in creating Clara, as Missy is the one who claims to have done so well in choosing her. So I think it far more likely that Missy has played a major role in creating whatever Clara is, rather than River.
9 November 2015 at 15:33 #466589 November 2015 at 04:46 #46642Welcome, @carrieanne! I agree with you and others who don’t understand the dislike for Clara. Though I did find her underutilized when she first started out as a companion for Eleven. But she really came into her own last season, and this season has been brilliant. I am not looking forward to Clara’s departure, in whatever form it takes. I’m thinking I’ll need to have a box of Kleenex handy!
8 November 2015 at 15:28 #46601@ardaraith Interesting catch on the controls. I hadn’t noticed that. Time for a rewatch! I do find her wearing the long coat rather out of character … or at least, out of character for Clara. But very Doctor-like.
8 November 2015 at 14:50 #465988 November 2015 at 14:41 #46596Jenna as Bonnie/Clara acted both parts perfectly. It was eery to see Clara trapped in the pod but creating a safe place in her mind just like when she was trapped in the Dalek and making souffles. Clara is one heck of a strong willed person.
This was the only time I felt that Clara really acted like Clara. In the rest of the episode, we had Bonnie (who, as @supernumerary noted, was not simply “bad Clara” but an entirely different character), and then Clara, but a pale shadow of Clara. So I really am wondering what this means.
As for Clara, it is becoming more and more evident that the day she was trapped in the Dalek by Missy (perhaps only a calendar month prior in the Whoniverse) and the day that the Doctor said to her “I am so sorry” with that great sense of finality, is the last time the Doctor really was with “Clara” as he knows and loves her.
This takes me back to my bonkers theory that Clara is still a Dalek. Or, at the very least, irreversibly changed.
One other thing: Oswin wore bright red lipstick as part of her Carmen persona. I don’t think we’ve seen Clara wearing bright red lipstick till these past two episodes. Coincidence?
8 November 2015 at 14:18 #46593I am beginning to think that Clara’s fate is to be forgotten by the Doctor. Call it the Inverse Donna.
And yet the Doctor remarks on Clara making her way into one’s mind, seemingly in an unforgettable way. So it would certainly seem odd to go this route. Yet it’s not completely implausible, either.
A glimpse of Hartnell’s face on a safe in the Black Archive? A further sign that we are heading, the long way round, for Gallifrey?
I thought I’d just imagined that! Thanks for confirming that that is indeed what I saw.
I was totally expecting some sort of big, quasi-apocalyptic showdown. It was wonderful to see this quieter, yet equally tense climax mirroring the art of negotiation.
And yes, the reference at the end to time, with the Doctor insisting it had been a month. Still pondering the significance of that one.
One little loose end: I keep wondering what happened to Kate’s Zygon copy. Or which version of Kate are we seeing?
4 November 2015 at 03:45 #46304A minor point to note in passing also: the gravestone we saw must mark a cenotaph, not a grave with a body in it, since the Osgood zapped by Missy was reduced to a small pile of dust which would have been dispersed to the winds when the plane disintegrated.
You know, I had forgotten that the plane exploded. I remembered Missy killing Osgood, leaving a pile of ashes. I’d assumed they would have buried her ashes, but of course you are right; Osgood’s ashes would have been scattered, quite literally, when the presidential plane was destroyed.
3 November 2015 at 20:18 #46279Sorry, too late now for me to edit, but I left out a word in my post above:
As for the question over when a Zygon copy might have been made of the Doctor ….
3 November 2015 at 19:38 #46278@lisa The two scenes you mentioned bothered me on first viewing, for much the same reasons as your own. However, on second viewing, I thought the first scene was a play at humor. Stranger sitting in a swing on a children’s playground, then approaching two little girls who are eventually snatched away? It is creepy on first take, but I thought that was the humor. In what world would an older guy dressed all in black be allowed to sit there and watch the kiddies, without a thousand cellphones photographing him and making the rounds of teachers, parents and law enforcement? I tend to think in today’s world, that just wouldn’t happen without some sort of reaction. Yet there he sat, barely a glance in his direction … and that was only by the two little girl Zygons when he addressed them. I just don’t think it would play out that way in any “normal” scenario.
The second scene bothered me on first glance because I felt certain no soldier would fall for that ruse. He had been warned about what the Zygons were capable of, yet he fell for it anyway. On second viewing the scene seemed a bit more believable to me. Who knows what lurks in the background of his relationship with his mother … what feelings of guilt and so on? The Zygon seemed to be preying directly on those emotions, and he caved. I do still question the other soldiers going in with him. I can see him doing it, but not the rest. Unless the Zygons standing on the church steps were masquerading as people somehow related to them? That wasn’t fully explained, but it’s the only plausible explanation I can think of for why the other soldiers would follow him in.
By the way, at first glance I too thought the boy sitting on the stairs was the one Danny sent back. I’m glad I wasn’t alone there!
As for the question over when a Zygon might have been made of the Doctor (not saying I’m rolling with the theory, just suggesting), there was that point on the playground when a smoke bomb was thrown, and as I recall there was a brief moment when we didn’t see the Doctor, and then he appeared through the red smoke. That’s the only time I can think of when it might have happened.
3 November 2015 at 19:28 #46277@torchwood3 Nice to see another Eccleston fan here! I enjoyed his too-short (IMO) run as the Doctor. But I have also enjoyed all who succeeded him.
3 November 2015 at 03:12 #46233OK, as I guessed was going to be the case, this was much better on second viewing. I felt like there were even more commercial interruptions than usual. I know they’ve gotta pay the bills, but it really disrupts the flow of the story. It all held together so much better when I could fast-forward through the commercial breaks!
1 November 2015 at 14:40 #46086Question: When Osgood (we assume this is Zygon Osgood) visits Osgood’s (copy or original?) gravesite, doesn’t the marker say, simply, “My sister”? If that were the original Osgood, then wouldn’t the headstone be far more detailed? Dates of birth and death, some sort of inscription, etc.?
1 November 2015 at 14:20 #46084Oops, sorry, Truth or/
andConsequences. And yes, I figured that’s not the real town, but rather a set depicting (not very accurately, it seems) the town.1 November 2015 at 14:10 #46082I hope that this episode improves on second viewing. I have a feeling that it may be one of those episodes which I think I dislike initially, but it’s because of the countless jarring commercial interruptions which disrupt the flow. I found the first three-quarters to be a bit plodding, only picking up at the end … and oh, how it did pick up! So I think I should probably be a little less grumpy and watch it again before commenting further.
@starla Thank you for that explanation about Kate! I kept wondering where the Zygon version of her was. Having it be Zygon Kate who went to Truth and Consequences would explain why she went in without backup. As we learned in “The Day of the Doctor,” the Zygons aren’t good at spotting who is human and who is one of their own.
30 October 2015 at 23:37 #45924And yet what’s remarkable to me about Donna was that she wasn’t cast as the “babe” I’d imagine most 18-year-olds would find appealing. She was attractive enough, but not according to Hollywood’s skewed image of the female form, as she was curvy in an “average female body shape” sort of way. Which, by the way, I applaud. How I wish more leading ladies of this body type were cast. But I just didn’t imagine that 18-year-old boys would find her attractive. The average woman in me was “You go, girl!”ing her all the way, especially as she developed into such a remarkable companion. Tough, yet endearingly vulnerable. And then her memory of all that she had done was stolen away from her. Which is why I still yearn for a better resolution for Donna. Her linkage with our current Doctor’s face gives me hope that it may yet come.
30 October 2015 at 23:20 #45923An Adventure in Space and Time is a nice drama doc for the Hartnell period.
I watched that on Space (in Canada) and loved it. If I recall correctly, it aired around the time of the 50th anniversary special. I felt like I’d traveled back in time, appropriately enough, and caught a glimpse of what it was like to be developing Doctor Who at the BBC back in those days.
@plainolddave
I won’t surrender to the new numbering style because it’s wrong.
In your opinion. Always an important qualifier to bear in mind with any discussion on what we like and don’t like.
29 October 2015 at 03:00 #45786EON’s James Bond has had multiple film reboots, with the most striking probably being the Daniel Craig era. The series also celebrated its 50th anniversary with Skyfall. Reboots and anniversaries are not mutually exclusive.
29 October 2015 at 01:00 #45775Audiences are fickle. Some shows that I thought hit their stride artistically were largely abandoned by their audience. So ratings are not always a measure of quality. I wonder if it’s as simple as the new-era Doctor being written, early on, in a rather romantic way, with younger actors in the leading roles. That’s a natural audience draw these days. Now we have an older-looking Doctor who has a very different dynamic with his companion. Not as natural an audience draw (though it certainly worked in earlier eras). Maybe that’s part of it. But it can’t be a matter of favoring logic over emotion. Some of the most illogical stories came at the height of Doctor Who‘s popularity … but that didn’t seem to hurt the ratings any.
29 October 2015 at 00:44 #45773I’m the opposite myself. But I recognize that the showrunners are opting for emotional and relationship payoff, and shorting rationality and coherence. I don’t necessarily see the two as being opposed. But I do see a prioritization of one and a rather shrifty attitude to the second. Eh, so it goes.
I disagree; I don’t think they’re “shorting” much at all. Perhaps a bit of rationality, but that’s been true throughout the entire run of Doctor Who. The stories gain coherence through the relationships. It’s not all about creating the most logical plot, and I am grateful for that. If I want logic, I’ll watch a documentary on statistics … though I think watching paint dry might be more engaging. Writers are reminded to “know your audience.” I agree that the folks running Doctor Who know their audience quite well, and by and large they write with us in mind. But obviously there are going to be folks with different expectations. You really can’t please all of the people all of the time. As you say, so it goes.
McCoy in his second and third series is ‘my Doctor’. I’m rare among Whovians: I didn’t imprint like a baby duck on My First Doctor. Instead, it was Sylvester McCoy – with that odd, funny, dark, manipulative and somehow powerful little man – who made me look at the TV screen and think ‘that’s the Doctor. That’s how I see the Doctor.’
I am much the same. Tennant was my first Doctor, so when hubby and I retroactively viewed early seasons of Doctor Who, I was sure I wouldn’t like Eccleston. I was wrong. I found him every bit as much engaging as Tennant. I was also a latecomer to Smith’s Doctor, but loved him too. Same with Capaldi’s Doctor. I thought Tennant could do no wrong, but so far none of them have, in my opinion. (Note to self: Must review earlier eras of the show!)
28 October 2015 at 11:33 #45733@pedant Thanks for the reminder about others who have shared a similar bonkers theory. I didn’t mean to claim it was my idea alone. That’s just my version of the idea. And yes, I forgot about that type of Dalek. Hmmm … maybe not so bonkers after all!
28 October 2015 at 04:22 #45706I think this gets back to different people’s expectations for Doctor Who. Personally I love the emotional resonance that powers so many of the Doctor’s stories. I think one of the reasons I liked Donna so much is because she wore her heart on her sleeve. Her emotional power struck a chord with the Doctor, often at just the time he needed it. The same is true with the other new-era companions and their respective relationships with the Doctor. Without that, I think I would find Doctor Who far less engaging.
Am I overly sentimental, or somehow bringing the show down because I appreciate an emotionally true story over a fastidiously logical one? I don’t think so. For the record, I don’t like so-called chick flicks. If I can sense the wheels of emotional manipulation turning, I rebel. But when a story draws me in, rather than resorting to maudlin cliches, I’m in. For whatever reason, this works for me in Doctor Who. But obviously it is not to everyone’s tastes.
28 October 2015 at 04:10 #45704@lisa @purofilion I enjoy your splendid expansions on my theory. But now my brain is done trying to tease this out. Can you believe this is keeping me up at nights? It is! (That and too much caffeine yesterday and today.)
28 October 2015 at 02:55 #45697Hmmm, @lisa that could indeed be the reason for the sonic sunglasses. The Doctor sees her as Clara, and somehow the sunglasses make it so that everyone else (except the Tardis) sees her that way. And except for Lady Me, who is there to let the Doctor know she knows exactly what’s going on. Maybe thanks to Missy, who unlike River is big on spoilers.
Returning to @kharis and her remarkable catch on Me/Ashildr’s wardrobe as she photobombed Clara’s selfie with her student, I wonder if she dressed up like Clara’s mother because Clara’s mother, and father, and the leaf, were nothing more than a story that Clara believes is her own? Clara has a journal with the leaf, correct? Maybe the journal included a description of her mother, and Lady Me (who has written so many of her own journals) has read it. Clara believes these stories in much the same way Dalek Oswin believed she was still human. Why would Clara need stories? Same reason Oswin needed to distract herself with Carmen and souffles. I wonder if, after jumping into the Doctor’s time stream, Clara was changed, no longer truly human … but a hybrid? And now, with Missy’s help, she has been transformed even further. Ah, the imagination runs wild!
Still, didn’t Davros accuse the Doctor of being responsible for creating the hybrid? Hard to see how he could be blamed for this, since it was Clara’s idea (and River tried to stop her) to jump into the Doctor’s time stream. And then it was Missy who shoved her into the Dalek. Hmmm … I like my theory for its dramatic possibilities, but it’s a giant plot sieve.
28 October 2015 at 02:10 #45690I have a little trouble with the idea that Me/Ashildr is impersonating Clara, and the Doctor wouldn’t spot it. After all, in the Christmas special he said he always saw Clara as Clara, even when she was an aged Clara. There was a brief moment when we in the audience saw the younger Clara, and then she was the older one again. The Doctor doesn’t see appearances, but rather the essential personality, I think.
My hugely bonkers theory (except I can’t work out in my mind how this would be pulled off) is that Clara has been trapped inside the Dalek ever since Missy shoved her in there. The Doctor knows this, but is shielding her from the knowledge. Now, how would he make it so that everyone else sees Clara, and not a Dalek? A hologram wouldn’t be convincing enough, and couldn’t interact with others the way Clara has. Obviously I’m not smart enough to figure out my own theory. So much for my plot-writing abilities!
Having said that (because I just can’t let go): Would that explain why the Cloister Bell keeps going off like mad? If a Dalek is on board the Tardis, isn’t that a dire emergency, one of the most serious threats the Doctor could face? But I don’t recall the Cloister Bell going off at the end of this last episode, when Clara greeted the Doctor. So there goes that idea.
Would this fulfill Davros’ hybrid prophecy? Probably not, since that’s what Daleks do anyway. Another area where my bonkers theory falls short.
However … if my bonkers theory turns out to be more or less accurate, then I see Clara coming back full circle to the tragedy that was Oswin. And it will be even more heartbreaking, given what she means to the Doctor.
28 October 2015 at 00:55 #45686@seeoswald So little use? Clearly you need to get around more. One or two posts a day constitutes “little use” in my book. But that was feigned indignation, of that I am sure. A common fallback, when all else fails. of trolls.
As for the quality of the scripts, “eye of the beholder” and all. And Eccleston? We’ll agree to disagree.
27 October 2015 at 22:07 #45678Thanks for the kind words, @purofilion and @gamergirlavatar !
You know what hooked me on Chris Eccleston’s Doctor? “Everybody lives, Rose! Just this once — everybody lives!” I still get chills remembering his unbridled joy and exuberance. In fact, I think I must revisit “The Doctor Dances” again!
27 October 2015 at 04:06 #45640@countscarlioni I was thinking exactly the same thing. Maybe the reason we’re seeing and hearing these anachronisms is because Ashildr has been traveling up and down her time line. And here’s a good argument for Missy entering the picture. The Doctor refused to take Ashildr along with him. Wouldn’t that be the very thing Missy might seize upon? Missy could grant Ashildr’s wish to jump ahead in time, visit other worlds, etc., knowing that would open up loads of manipulation possibilities for her. And we saw in this episode that Ashildr is vulnerable to manipulation from others, if they dangle the right carrot in front of her.
27 October 2015 at 03:34 #45636In the second, yes, she could still be in the dalek and hallucinating the rest of S9; it just feels like a heck of a stretch to me (thoroughly appropriate for bonkerizing, of course). Could Clara hallucinate the deaf woman’s experience of being followed down the corridor by the axe ghost for example? Anything is possible, but . . . ? Maybe I have missed a crucial step here?
Well … think back to Oswin. She didn’t realize she was a Dalek till the Doctor forced her to see it. She thought she was cooking souffles, but it was only when the Doctor asked her where the eggs came from that she thought to question it. Might we be in a similar situation here? After all, we’re not seeing her life on earth anymore. When was the last time we saw her in a classroom? I’m thinking it was the season premiere. Then again, there’s that photo of her with her student (and Ashildr off in the background) that she showed the Doctor. Hmmm, bonkers theory blown, perhaps.
27 October 2015 at 02:33 #45632My first Doctor was David Tennant. Hubby and I watched “Smith and Jones” during our trans-Atlantic flight to Denmark back in 2007, and I was hooked. Back in Canada, we watched Doctor Who on the Space channel. Stayed hooked.
Then, a couple of years ago, we got Netflix. I thought David Tennant could do no wrong, really hadn’t kept up with Matt Smith’s Doctor at all. So when we decided to start with Chris Eccleston’s Doctor, I figured he couldn’t hold a candle to Tennant. I was wrong! I fell in love with the Doctor, his Doctor, all over again. Worked my way through his first season, was rather sad to see him go, then moved on to Tennant and realized, to my surprise, that his first season didn’t exactly hit the ground running. It actually took him (and, I assume, the writers) a while to figure out who this Doctor was. But then that season picked up steam, and I enjoyed watching the development of that version of the Doctor.
Then Matt Smith’s Doctor came around, and he really did hit the ground running. I was impressed by the strong start to this new Doctor, which was a very different imagining of the role from either Eccleston or Tennant. The only problem is that starting off at such a manic pace means you can only build on that, so by the end of Smith’s run, I felt he was suffering from an overdose of mania and an underwritten companion. It was a relief to slow things down a notch with Peter Capaldi’s Doctor, and also see some vastly improved writing for his companion, Clara, who no longer felt like a placeholder but a more fully realized character. The chemistry between them in Seasons 8 and 9 has put them on equal footing, IMO, with all the other great companions and their complex relationships with the Doctor.
I write this only to point out what is probably true for many others: I enjoy all the Doctors equally, all for different reasons. Admittedly I have only really watched the new-era Doctors. Someday I will set aside some time to play catch-up with the others. I’m sure I will enjoy them, too.
26 October 2015 at 03:20 #45523@kharis Brilliant catch on the clothing match! I never would have remembered that about Clara’s mom, much less paid attention to what Ashildr was wearing way back in the background. Bravo!
25 October 2015 at 20:15 #45467@ramzeppelin I’m sorry that Doctor Who has become so unenjoyable for you. Your “truth” is different from mine, and we have very different perceptions. For me, it’s the only currently running show that I actually look forward to watching. I don’t see any “agenda” (liberal or otherwise) being applied. Certainly writers bring their viewpoints into a story, and I find that writers often write from their own emotional understanding. So there is a tendency to tinge historical fiction with modern constructs, however unintentionally.
Me/Ashildr is something of a modern woman, I agree. However, she disguised herself with a man’s voice, costume and a mask when she was doing her highwayman gig. She adapted in order to succeed. That’s a trait of human beings throughout history. So I wouldn’t call that having a liberal agenda, but rather trying to imagine what kind of person a young woman coping with immortality might develop into as she lives through the ages, and all around her die. It’s an intriguing puzzle, one that countless writers have taken on. It’s especially appropriate for Doctor Who, given its time-travel theme … not to mention how it addresses the Doctor’s tendency to abandon people like Ashildr, failing to stick around and really live that life, with all its ramifications and consequences, with them.
25 October 2015 at 15:44 #45458For me the episode was a bit plodding due to Clara’s absence. Which makes me realize that I will miss her when she’s not there. It was so nice to see her there at the end, but of course it also reminded us of how keenly the Doctor will miss her, depending on what her ultimate fate is. I also wonder how much he knows of what is to come. His forlorn look, in response to Clara’s comment, “I’m not going anywhere,” implies that he knows something.
@purofilion I too remember the Doctor’s “I never said it was your mistake” reply to that “I’m not your boyfriend” exchange he had with Clara. I do not read “girlfriend/boyfriend” into their hug. It’s a hug of affection, and also of reassurance. I’ve never been much of a hugger, mainly because my family was never into it. But my maternal grandmother was, and oh how I, as a child, cherished her kisses and hugs. They reassured me and made me feel the world was all right. And also that I was a person who was worth loving. Being physically demonstrative toward others is a way of expressing that. Though I still remember the Doctor’s comment about a hug being a way of hiding your face. There’s truth in that, too.
Like others, I’m guessing that Me/Ashildr has had a talk or two with Missy. But I also wonder about River Song, and of course other companions she may be following. And what about Donna? I know I’m a broken record on this subject, but I so keep hoping for her to return, if for no other reason than to give her a better ending to her time as a companion. I would find it very satisfying for Donna to meet “this face” with whom she played such a crucial role.
25 October 2015 at 05:11 #45425I figured I wasn’t alone!
25 October 2015 at 03:58 #45419OK, am I the only one who watched the preview for next week and went “Squeeee!” at a returning familiar face? (Not sure I can say who it is, but said familiar face and name were clearly revealed in the preview.)
23 October 2015 at 13:44 #45338OK, I stand corrected. I rewatched “Asylum of the Daleks” (along with “Fires of Pompeii” and “Last Christmas”) last night. Oswin is a bit of a motor-mouth, too. So Coleman really has become more deft with Clara … not that she was a slouch to begin with. But I do agree that there’s more substance now than with her initial companion incarnations. Those early Claras seemed to lack the energy and wit that Oswin had. She reclaimed it last season, and I still think that’s just due to better writing for the character, giving her more to work with.
Also, Dalek Oswin does say, “… remember me.” But Carmen Oswin says, “Run, you clever boy … and remember.”
23 October 2015 at 00:40 #45317@purofilion @ichabod I agree with what you’re saying about Clara becoming more interesting, less of a motor-mouth, because of the more nuanced acting Coleman is bringing to the role. And it could very well be due to her maturing as an actress. Yet I keep going back to her Oswin/Dalek incarnation. Am I wrong in remembering that as being closer to the Clara we’re seeing this season? I may have to go back and watch that episode again. I feel that perhaps she’s just getting better writing, in terms of more depth. Not in terms of plot; she got loads of plot last season. But maybe more direction in terms of who Clara is, at her core. So Coleman can do more with that.
19 October 2015 at 22:05 #4515919 October 2015 at 03:22 #4508919 October 2015 at 01:08 #45074@lisa You are right, Missy said that to Clara, something long the lines of there being loads of nano-tech fixing the damage as the Dalek feed went in. Problem is, no one knows exactly what happens when it comes out. I’ve been wondering about that. Plus, wasn’t Clara still inside the Dalek when the Doctor gave up some of his regeneration energy? Methinks Ashildr isn’t the only hybrid for whom the Doctor is responsible. But if Clara does turn out to be a hybrid, who gets the credit? Missy or the Doctor? Both?
Also, the Doctor is tired of losing people, but at least he is coming at it from the point of view of an adult. Not a human, but an adult Gallifreyan. Ashildr is still quite young. So mightn’t that be a problem, having someone who is immortal, but equipped with the emotional intelligence and self-awareness of a teen? If he thinks his emotions cause him to do irrational and/or unwise things, what of hers?
19 October 2015 at 00:38 #45070My question is how did there come to be only 2 chips? There were a lot of mire. I have
to re watch but it seems to me that there could have been more then 2 that the Doctor could
have taken. I think I’m missing something.Didn’t those two chips come from the helmet of the one they grabbed for Ashildr to wear? All the rest left ahead of Odin, as I recall.
18 October 2015 at 15:10 #45029@bluesqueakpip The Cloister Bell ringing again caught my attention. Is this going to be part of the entire arc this season?
@juniperfish, I too liked the Doctor’s wardrobe this time around. It integrates Capaldi’s punk-rock past into that magician’s outfit. Missed the guitar riffs in the theme, though. I guess that was a one-time thing.
One thing I noticed is that Ashildr and Clara look rather alike, at least to me. Both have big eyes. Connection?
I was happy that the Doctor finally realized why he chose that face. I still dream that Donna will come back and have her memories with the Doctor restored … without harming her, of course. But I suspect that may be just a dream.
14 October 2015 at 00:00 #44734I’ve even seen conversations get a little heated on this site, but then everyone seems to calm down and not declare war and that is a rare thing on the internet and worth protecting ;).
I so agree, and how wonderful this lovely little haven is for it! It’s not that people agree on everything; I’ve seen a fair bit of debate just in the short time I’ve been here. The difference is that by and large this debate is conducted with at least a modicum of respect. People have differing opinions, but they are open to others’ opinions. It’s not “I’M RIGHT, and you all are idiots,” but “This is my opinion, and you’re welcome to try to change my mind (not that I will, necessarily, but the door is open).” I like that. How I wish all Internet discourse was conducted in that manner.
Re: the Fisher King dying in the flood, even if it were a water creature, mightn’t it have been killed by the crushing force of the water rushing in?
13 October 2015 at 04:22 #44657It took two viewings before my head hurt a little less on this one. “Bootstrap paradox” still has my brain all atwitter. I think I need to read some posts here to understand it better. And watch it a third time.
Did O’Donnell remind anyone else just a tad of Amelia Pond? Something about her facial expressions and voice, and maybe her “fan girl” eagerness pushed my mind in that direction. I admit I caved to the thought that she might be a future companion … but of course that option was nullified.
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